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Stargate Information Archive _ Atlantis Season 3 _ 303 - Irresistible

Posted by: Arcady Jul 21st 2006, 10:55 PM

Episode 3 - Irresistible
Air Date: July 28, 2006
Sheppard's team meets an obnoxious man who is adored by all, thanks to a secret that he carries.

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Posted by: toolazytothinkofanoriginalname Jul 28th 2006, 9:57 PM

ok, just to check, lucius was the not so bright doctor that daniel showed up in the stargate movie right?

Posted by: OneLoneFan Jul 28th 2006, 10:15 PM

Yes. I have to say...i didn't like this episode, the charactor of Lucius seemed very blah to me. I felt that his reaction to Sheppard being "immune" to his "charms" should have been more explosive...who knows...i might be wrong...till later

Posted by: toolazytothinkofanoriginalname Jul 28th 2006, 10:27 PM

yeah, after the ending from sg1, going into that episode... just a major downer

Posted by: Sylver Jul 28th 2006, 10:34 PM

Hi, just joined. Have loved Stargate since the beginning, and decided to give Atlantis a try even after S1. Loved most of the second season but I?ve noticed a growing trend among the episodes. They?ve become ?The John Sheppard Show!? focused totally on Sheppard and his co-called heroics to save the day.

I loved the ensemble of Stargate, and Atlantis promised to be the same. This doesn?t seem to be the case, and I?m frankly tired of Sheppard being the sole focus of every episode. There are so many other great characters on the show (Weir NOT being one of them IMO) but with every episode only Sheppard gets any growth, plot, or airtime.

At first, Sheppard?s sarcasm and pseudo-O?Neill way was fine, but the actor isn?t as laid back as Richard Dean Anderson, and has a hard time pulling off that irreverent wait-a-beat sarcasm O?Neill does to perfection.

?Irresistible?, while amusing and highly entertaining, was the same. Putting aside the fact that it was clear Sheppard wasn?t going to be influenced by whatever drug Lucius had because of the cold, AGAIN he saved the day! It?s repetitive and boring now, and time to move on.

We got to see more of the crew of Atlantis interacting with each other and in more areas of the very large and underutilized city. This provided an excellent format to show the lived-in look, rather than the sterile environment they seem to have even after nearly 3 years on the city.

Ronan laughing was scary, the big bad warrior laughing like that? Funny, but scary. It?d be interesting to see more of this (NOT THE LAUGHING LIKE A LOON) but of his not so tough warrior side, of maybe how he was pre-Runner.

McKay is always a hoot, but in this episode, a slightly pathetic hoot which showed just what type of personality he hides underneath his ego and scorn.

I?d love to comment of Teyla, but it?s hard to say anything about someone with less screen time than a secondary character like Beckett. She?s a warrior in her own right, leader of her people, and yet is reduced to a dismal caricature.

Weir?yes, Weir. I don?t like her, I don?t think she?s the right person to lead this mission (though I did like her when she was on SG-1 and played by a blonde), so I won?t go into just how many ways I?d like to see her gone.

Posted by: Natoma Jul 28th 2006, 11:19 PM

Sigh. This is the first episode of Stargate, Atlantis or SG-1, where the only thing I can say is sick.gif

Awful, but made even worse in comparison to the godly bow.gif Pegasus Project bow.gif . Definitely not Atlantis's best moment. Not by a long shot.

Then again, maybe this is Stargate's "Spock's Brain" or Star Trek V. The complete waste of time that every long running sci-fi show eventually endures. smile.gif

Posted by: Aazadan Jul 28th 2006, 11:22 PM

It was an ok episode, alot was probally taken away from it though because of SG1. Regardless of the SGA episode it would have looked a bit bland compared to SG1 this week. It was a far cry from the best episode but as far as filler episodes that don't really advance the main plot(s) go, it was far from the worst (Suspicion, The Defiant One, and Condemned weren't as good example). That said, this episode really didn't have a good performance from the actors and that took alot away from it - Weir being a giggling idiot, Ronon being... odd, David Hewlitt probally had his worst performance of Mckay ever in this episode, etc...

I know this episode wasn't supposed to be serious but thats not really an excuse for the actors to be completly unbelievable. Point of Origin (probally a bad example since it was such a great episode), Tin Man, and Urgo weren't serious episodes but the actors were believable.

Posted by: Romestar Jul 28th 2006, 11:40 PM

Thoughtout the show, I wondered why shepard didn't just put a gun to that werid dude's head and ask him WTF was going on.

I thought it was great how Rodney took some of the stuff at the end too.

Posted by: Aazadan Jul 28th 2006, 11:58 PM

Oh, rewatching it right now. What is Zelenka saying towards the end of the episode (about 3 min from the end I think, about when the jumpers taking off). He briefly says something in what I assume is Czech right before saying "Fly Lucius fly".

Posted by: Ziu Jul 29th 2006, 12:17 AM

QUOTE(toolazytothinkofanoriginalname @ Jul 28th 2006, 10:27 PM) *

yeah, after the ending from sg1, going into that episode... just a major downer


I agree with most of your statement. I would not have been as kind as you were. Instead of major downer, my feelings are: one piece of crap, the worst Atlantis ever made. w00t.gif

Posted by: J&S4Ever Jul 29th 2006, 12:30 AM

OMFG this episode sucked BIG TIME! I can't believe how lame it was. sick.gif

I hated that guy when he came out in Spin City and now I hate him more for making my beloved show reek. What the hell were they thinking of when they penned this episode. Oh wait....THEY WEREN'T THINKING AT ALL. Thats why it SUCKED!

BTW toolazy...yes, he's the idiot in the film who couldn't translate worth crap. Thank God he did not appear in the rest of the movie or I'll bet it would have ended up sucking too.

OK I know I know it's the writing that sucked, but I just don't like him.

Irresistible....I THINK NOT!!!!

Posted by: Romestar Jul 29th 2006, 1:02 AM

QUOTE(J&S4Ever @ Jul 29th 2006, 12:30 AM) *

OMFG this episode sucked BIG TIME! I can't believe how lame it was. sick.gif

I hated that guy when he came out in Spin City and now I hate him more for making my beloved show reek. What the hell were they thinking of when they penned this episode. Oh wait....THEY WEREN'T THINKING AT ALL. Thats why it SUCKED!

BTW toolazy...yes, he's the idiot in the film who couldn't translate worth crap. Thank God he did not appear in the rest of the movie or I'll bet it would have ended up sucking too.

OK I know I know it's the writing that sucked, but I just don't like him.

Irresistible....I THINK NOT!!!!


I have to agree with you. There was no action at all, and no serious threat. Usually the stargate thing is that if the problem isn't fixed the universe blows up er something.

Posted by: Lt.ColonelHaylee Jul 29th 2006, 1:38 AM

QUOTE(Sylver @ Jul 28th 2006, 10:34 PM) *

Hi, just joined. Have loved Stargate since the beginning, and decided to give Atlantis a try even after S1. Loved most of the second season but I?ve noticed a growing trend among the episodes. They?ve become ?The John Sheppard Show!? focused totally on Sheppard and his co-called heroics to save the day.

I loved the ensemble of Stargate, and Atlantis promised to be the same. This doesn?t seem to be the case, and I?m frankly tired of Sheppard being the sole focus of every episode. There are so many other great characters on the show (Weir NOT being one of them IMO) but with every episode only Sheppard gets any growth, plot, or airtime.

At first, Sheppard?s sarcasm and pseudo-O?Neill way was fine, but the actor isn?t as laid back as Richard Dean Anderson, and has a hard time pulling off that irreverent wait-a-beat sarcasm O?Neill does to perfection.

?Irresistible?, while amusing and highly entertaining, was the same. Putting aside the fact that it was clear Sheppard wasn?t going to be influenced by whatever drug Lucius had because of the cold, AGAIN he saved the day! It?s repetitive and boring now, and time to move on.

We got to see more of the crew of Atlantis interacting with each other and in more areas of the very large and underutilized city. This provided an excellent format to show the lived-in look, rather than the sterile environment they seem to have even after nearly 3 years on the city.

Ronan laughing was scary, the big bad warrior laughing like that? Funny, but scary. It?d be interesting to see more of this (NOT THE LAUGHING LIKE A LOON) but of his not so tough warrior side, of maybe how he was pre-Runner.

McKay is always a hoot, but in this episode, a slightly pathetic hoot which showed just what type of personality he hides underneath his ego and scorn.

I?d love to comment of Teyla, but it?s hard to say anything about someone with less screen time than a secondary character like Beckett. She?s a warrior in her own right, leader of her people, and yet is reduced to a dismal caricature.

Weir?yes, Weir. I don?t like her, I don?t think she?s the right person to lead this mission (though I did like her when she was on SG-1 and played by a blonde), so I won?t go into just how many ways I?d like to see her gone.



Wow. Have you been reading my mind?
I'm pretty sure this is my first time commenting on an Atlantis episode, I tend to stay in the SG-1 forums, basically because they usually aren't anything to talk about on Atlantis. But when I read your comment, I was like "Oh my goodness this person is in my head!" lol

I've always thought Atlantis was too "Sheppard-centric", and that it should broden its horizons character wise, I've just thought I was the only one until now. Don't get me wrong, I love Joe Flanigan and feel that John Sheppard is a likable guy, (despite the fact that he seems to be an intergalactic man-whore) but , can't someone else save the day besides Sheppard, and sometimes McKay?

And I totally agree that Teyla should have more screen time. And your thoughts on Weir are right on the money. She just doesn't show any good leadership qualities to me, she depends too much on Sheppard IMO, and just isn't a likeable character. Although, I did also enjoy the blonde Weir in The Lost City, maybe if she was still playing Weir I could actually enjoy this whole "Sheppard/Weir thing" that the writers are pulling for.

Thank you for finally voicing my thoughts!

Posted by: Arcady Jul 29th 2006, 2:33 AM

Yes, this episode was rather weak. I don't have much to add about the suck-factor here.

There was one thing that kept bugging me (and this probably belongs in nitpicks but I'll put it here anyway.) Weir has the same desk lamp as me. I want to know where the hell she plugs that in. Do they have AC outlets in Atlantis?

Here's a pic:
IPB Image

The funny thing is, when I was on the set I noticed the lamp sitting on her desk, but I never gave it a second thought until now.

Posted by: Revan Jul 29th 2006, 3:14 AM

QUOTE(Arcady @ Jul 29th 2006, 3:33 AM) *

Yes, this episode was rather weak. I don't have much to add about the suck-factor here.

There was one thing that kept bugging me (and this probably belongs in nitpicks but I'll put it here anyway.) Weir has the same desk lamp as me. I want to know where the hell she plugs that in. Do they have AC outlets in Atlantis?

Here's a pic:
IPB Image

The funny thing is, when I was on the set I noticed the lamp sitting on her desk, but I never gave it a second thought until now.



He speaks....

Indeed, they have many appliances in their rooms, etc... but how do they power them? It seems peculiar at best. That Atlanteans would certainly not have used the same type of power supply as us anyways...



I did not hate this episode. It was fine, just a filler. Some parts were fairly predictable, which I didn't like. Overall, it was 'whatever'.... no real opinion here. Though it is interesting that they are building a gate bridge.

Posted by: droid327 Jul 29th 2006, 3:57 AM

If we're going to nitpick this episode, let me start with the gatebridge.... how exactly do you dial a gate that's, say, 1.8 million lightyears from the nearest galaxy? What exactly would you use for the coordinate scheme? Unless we're assuming that Pegasan stargates each have their own unique address that will dial that gate no matter where it is, but in previous SG1s it seemed to imply that the address mapped for a certain point in space, and the network dialed whatever gate was the "control" gate at that location.

How do they intend on defending the gatebridge from Ori or Wraith interference? If either of them, especially the Wraith, finds out there are 60-odd gates strung between the galaxies comprising a supply line for the SGC, you know they'd swoop in and pull a couple links from the chain.

You know there's going to be some episode too where a team gets stuck in a jumper halfway to the MW when the "bridge" goes "out", too...

As for the episode itself, I thought it was OK. Not the greatest, but not as bad as everyone makes it sound, which is probably just because it was following Pegasus Project and was shamed by its awesome mightiness. I liked Richard Kind, I thought he played a very good Dark Urgo kinda character. I thought the writers missed out on a chance to do some good "out of character" writing for the team, though, especially with Ronan...many missed jokes there.

And dont miss out on the nuance that this episode marks the closest Atlantis has ever come to total defeat...if it wasnt for Sheppard's deus ex machina head cold, the whole expedition would have drunk his koolaid and start running botanical gardens till the Wraith came to suck them up. Inevitably they would have brought Lucius back to Earth and let him set up a barony in Cheyenne Mountain. That'd probably draw a foothold response from the Pentagon, though, so maybe there was never that much danger after all...

I just hope they dont start reusing any other actors. Recycling extras or prostheticized actors is one thing, but when Kurt Russell lands a role as the Ori Incarnated or anything I'm selling my shares....

Posted by: Dan70 Jul 29th 2006, 4:16 AM

I didn't think the episode was to bad.... and what is with all the anti-shep stuff going round? I dare say there have been more mcay centered eps then shep ones, and i think the writers have been building up the mystery surrounding ronans past for the next episode (centered around him). Tayla isn't a very good char IMO

Posted by: youngjediboy Jul 29th 2006, 4:40 AM

Well, considering the Atlantis team was supposed to be Earth's brightest people, I'm sure finding a way to convert the power for our desklamps and appliances shouldn't be that difficult for them. Of course they may lack common sense from time to time... but surely they must be able to find a way to plug in a desklamp in another galaxy. tongue.gif

QUOTE(droid327 @ Jul 29th 2006, 3:57 AM) *

I just hope they dont start reusing any other actors. Recycling extras or prostheticized actors is one thing, but when Kurt Russell lands a role as the Ori Incarnated or anything I'm selling my shares....



I mentioned this in the thread about Dean Devlin wanting to finish his original Stargate trilogy idea...

That they should bring in Kurt Russell and James Spader as the alternate Jack and Daniel who left off from the movie.. as in never joining SG-1 and Daniel still on Abydos.. just 12 years later.

Now THAT would be an awesome way to reuse/recycle an actor, especially ones from the original film!
One can only wish though... smile.gif

Posted by: Dan70 Jul 29th 2006, 4:45 AM

Yeah, i don't think they would have too much trouble with that.

Posted by: rkenshin Jul 29th 2006, 4:45 AM

This episode was missing one main thing..

Lucious's Atlantis harem serving his every need.. And I don't mean showing him around the city tongue.gif

Posted by: tauri129 Jul 29th 2006, 6:32 AM

i didnt think this was too bad of an ep. my favorite lines were when Lucius asked sheppherd and then ronon how they made their hair look like that. lol

Posted by: KillerMarv Jul 29th 2006, 7:25 AM

I pretty much enjoyed this episode. It wasn't very good, but it wasn't very bad either. Lucius did seem like a good actor to me... Maybe seeing him in other roles influenced everybody's decisions. I have never seen him playing someone else in other movies or series, so I can start with over average qualities.

I just loved the part when Beckett started crying at the thought that Lucius was going to "need" him... laugh.gif

Also, it seemed to me pretty much that the action of the episode occurs some time after The Pegasus Project... The inter-galactic bridge was Carter's idea. smile.gif

Posted by: Sylver Jul 29th 2006, 8:53 AM

QUOTE
and what is with all the anti-shep stuff going round? I dare say there have been more mcay centered eps then shep ones, and i think the writers have been building up the mystery surrounding ronans past for the next episode (centered around him). Tayla isn't a very good char IMO


I?m not anti-Sheppard, in fact, I do enjoy him most times, and much of his one-liners are great. (Though someone else mentioned the intergalactic man-whore and I can?t necessarily disagree there.) I just think that him always saving the day, especially when it comes to things far outside his prevue, is old. McKay, yes, there are a lot of McKay-centered episodes as well, and he does often rub the wrong way, though mostly I find him incredibly funny.

The only comparison I have to make at the moment is the show JAG. It went from a good ensemble-centered show to all about Harm Rabb. He never lost, even if he lied or cheated his way through a case. He was always right, even when it was clear he was wrong.

That seems to be the direction Atlantis is heading: Sheppard is right. Sheppard is our hero. Sheppard saves the day. Again.

My point is that I?d like to see more of the other characters, not even in their own episode, though I?m REALLY looking forward to next week?s with Ronon. I?m talking the formula Stargate perfected. Each person did their part, the scientist, the archeologist, the warrior, and the leader. They each did their part and no one ?knew? everything to solely save the day.

Posted by: Dan70 Jul 29th 2006, 9:10 AM

You have a point, they never really work together all that much, it's always EITHER shep or mckay. Ronan hasn't been around for all that long, and tayla does next to nothing, exept introduce the team to different peoples (never 'saving the day') Can't wait till ronans ep either.

Posted by: Janos Jul 29th 2006, 9:18 AM

I've only got one thing to say about this episode.

Hathor.

Are they seriously so out of ideas that they can't even rip off other ideas? They have to start ripping off their own old ideas? Yeesh.

QUOTE(droid327 @ Jul 29th 2006, 2:57 AM) *

If we're going to nitpick this episode, let me start with the gatebridge.... how exactly do you dial a gate that's, say, 1.8 million lightyears from the nearest galaxy?

That's what I was wondering.... huh.gif

QUOTE
How do they intend on defending the gatebridge from Ori or Wraith interference? If either of them, especially the Wraith, finds out there are 60-odd gates strung between the galaxies comprising a supply line for the SGC, you know they'd swoop in and pull a couple links from the chain.

Or... I don't know... maybe they'll just USE IT TO GET TO EARTH??????????

DUH? How can that be a good idea?

Posted by: Kichiro Jul 29th 2006, 12:04 PM

Yep that's most brilliant tactical remark ever. Let's use an enemy controlled entrance to start an invasion. ><
I think they would have technology by now that would mark irregularity in their "galactic highway". They could even hang a sattelite in orbit if they want too. ><

And of course back on the tactical issue. I think they'll use their motherships for an invasion. They needed Atlantis for the coordinates remember not for the gate that could lead to Earth.

About the episode. I liked it. Was actually one of the faster moving episodes. And I especially liked the your crazy Sheppard stuff. Definitely not a sucky episode in my book.

Posted by: ted_simple Jul 29th 2006, 2:56 PM

Favorite scene:

Weir: "Wait, wait - t h e y ' r e t a k i n g o f f !!"
*All running outside*
*Weir making several sounds of ecstatical amazement*
Rodney: "Fly Lucius, f l y ..."

biggrin.gif

Posted by: LyaOfTheNox Jul 29th 2006, 3:06 PM

I acctually liked this ep. I don't think it was as horrible as everyone is making it out to be.... I mean, it wasn't ment to be taken seriously, just a funny little filler episode. I thought everyone's acting was fine *shrug*

I didn't notice it before, but now that you mention it, it does seem like a lot of episodes are just all about Sheppard (or Mckay) saving the day. Beh, now I won't be able not to notice it whenever I watch episodes... blink.gif

And, at the risk of bringing everyone's rath upon me, I must mention that I am most assuredly not looking forward to Ronon's ep; I do not like his character at all.

(and what was so wonderfully wonderful about the Pegasus Project, it was a great ep, but why the big kudos?)

Posted by: Subfer Jul 29th 2006, 4:41 PM

That was one awsome ep, almost as good as sg1, i mean it didnt had so strong story but it was so damn funny, i really liked that Lucious character, so damn funny, i watched him in spin city and i tell u, thats one funny guy

Posted by: Ancient Kane Jul 29th 2006, 4:50 PM

Argh what a painfully bad episode. Why couldnt they have made it at least half as good as the Sg-1 Episode. I mean come on. The story was far-fetched and not to mention pointless to the story, If it wasnt for the mention of the new method of getting "home" i would seriously consider saying its the worst episode. But thats probably because i didnt like the idea of some fat guy marrying Elizabeth.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jul 29th 2006, 9:23 PM

OMFG this so sucked that it was off the suck scale!!!! How fu**ing stupid. I mean please. The acting was horrible just horrible. The story line as Janos said SCREAMED WE NEED TO END SGA AT THE END OF S3!!!!!! WE SUCK.

Oh my goodness. Usually when a Stargate episode is on I check my watch hoping that time will slow down so the show will last longer. Not this episode. I kept checking, hoping it was almost at 43 minutes already. Either that or looking for a gun to shoot myself. blink.gif

I cannot stand that asshole actor. Who the hells ideal was it to ask him on the show. PLEASE!!!! I will delete this one and NEVER EVER watch it again!

GOODNESS SGA sucks. LE SIGH!!!!

The pucker factor for this episode was 30/10! sick.gif

Posted by: rkenshin Jul 29th 2006, 9:57 PM

Man, for you people that hate this spinoff so much, why do you keep tuning in?

Do you like to torture yourself that much?

Well for the actor, I suppose it was because he fit the role from his acting background and more importantly, he was in the original Stargate flick..

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jul 29th 2006, 10:16 PM

QUOTE(rkenshin @ Jul 29th 2006, 10:57 PM) *

Man, for you people that hate this spinoff so much, why do you keep tuning in?

Do you like to torture yourself that much?

We keep hoping for better? unsure.gif

QUOTE

Well for the actor, I suppose it was because he fit the role from his acting background and more importantly, he was in the original Stargate flick..

Ah yes. I forgot about that. They should have left him there 1.gif

Posted by: Dan70 Jul 29th 2006, 10:31 PM

Who did that dude play in the stargate movie?

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jul 29th 2006, 10:38 PM

One of the scientists that was helping open the gate. He and .....goodness I cannot remember her name.....the old broad with that gold pendent/chain that recruited Daniel in the first place.

Posted by: Aazadan Jul 29th 2006, 10:39 PM

He was another translator that Daniel worked with in the movie. The guy who sucked and got everything wrong. He was only in it for about 10 minutes, maybe 15.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jul 29th 2006, 10:40 PM

He played Gary Meyers PHd. He was played by Richard Kind. sick.gif Nasty actor.

Posted by: kingpet Jul 29th 2006, 11:33 PM

yeah this eps pretty much sucked, though i did laugh at a few scenes. it kept thinking these pangs of joy were filled with sarcasm heh.

you know, shep Sheppard.gif DID save the day in this eps as well. without him, they would've been stuck like that forever.

Posted by: Dan70 Jul 29th 2006, 11:44 PM

no wonder i didn't recognize him then, i saw the movie about 6 years ago

Posted by: xayeidemon Jul 29th 2006, 11:47 PM

I liked it. Granted, I only watched the last half hour, but I enjoyed it. Sure, it was stupid, but I've been watching Pee-Wee Herman for the past few weeks. I guess I'm immune, now.

Posted by: ted_simple Jul 30th 2006, 4:34 AM

I think it was a great fun episode. Like season 2's Duet. Sure, the idea had already been used in Hathor, but the approach was entirely different. We didn't see people laughing and enjoying her presence and saying all kind of embarassing things. 1.gif

Beckett was the cutest. "But he needs me...!" *starts sobbing*

Posted by: DrM007 Jul 30th 2006, 4:44 AM

I liked this episode. I don't agree that this ep was just an filler. This multiple stargate idea seems really dangerous to me. Also nobody mentioned that this Lucius guy KNOWS the Atlantis gate address. And no matter what Ronon said to him, Wraith in my opinion are more terrifing than he is. I'm not saying that gate address would help the Wraith much, but it would be a piece of information they didn't had before.

I don't know why everyone hates this Richard Kind guy. I was a big fan of Spin City (well mostly of M.J. Fox) and in my opinion he was a great actor. You people confuse characters with actors. Just because he plays odd, undesirable character doesn't mean he is a bad actor.

I agree that Sheppard saves the day too often, but actually this time it was dr. Beckett who made serum. John alone could never done anything on his own. And in a week when his cold got better he would also fall for Lucius.

QUOTE(Aazadan @ Jul 29th 2006, 6:58 AM) *

Oh, rewatching it right now. What is Zelenka saying towards the end of the episode (about 3 min from the end I think, about when the jumpers taking off). He briefly says something in what I assume is Czech right before saying "Fly Lucius fly".

I don't speak Czech, but I understand half a dozen other slavic languages. I'm not sure if I catched first word he said, but it was something like: "Letijo, tak krasniy leti." It means: They are flying, how beautifuly he flies."

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jul 30th 2006, 5:44 AM

Ted that is the only part of the episode that was good. The part with Shep and Beckett in the Jumper on the main land. I love how Beckett plays the part and how Shep is dumbfounded as to how to comfort him! laugh.gif

However, it does not save the episode or the show. SGA sucks. They need to get their own writers apart from the SG1 ones so that they do not rehash old SG1 episodes.

Posted by: Dr. Prozac Jul 30th 2006, 6:00 AM

And Lucius Lavin will be back in episodes 13!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0816948/

Please let that be a better episodes than this one!

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jul 30th 2006, 6:10 AM

Get out really? sick.gif Why can they not let dead dogs alone. Geeeze. That will more than likely be a filler episode. however, since SGA is just existing rather than have a general theme as in the SG1. It just seems a show about individual characters/places but each episode is a stand alone one. It is so boring.

I cannot believe that Martin Write and Cooper wrote this! I was thinking it was M&M since it was so very bad.

Posted by: rkenshin Jul 30th 2006, 6:37 AM

I'm mainly dissapointed because we didn't see Lucius totally taking advantage of Weir and Teyla plus the rest of the atlantis attractive female population

Would be funny to see Lucius get them dressed up like the females from his village

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jul 30th 2006, 6:39 AM

QUOTE(rkenshin @ Jul 30th 2006, 7:37 AM) *

I'm mainly dissapointed because we didn't see Lucius totally taking advantage of Weir and Teyla plus the rest of the atlantis attractive female population

Would be funny to see Lucius get them dressed up like the females from his village

What exactly did you mean by the bolder areas. Did you want to see him have sex with them? What? blink.gif

Posted by: Ziu Jul 30th 2006, 6:40 AM

QUOTE(Dr. Prozac @ Jul 30th 2006, 6:00 AM) *

And Lucius Lavin will be back in episodes 13!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0816948/

Please let that be a better episodes than this one!



Let's hope it wil be better. If not, it will be my last watched episode of Stargate Atlantis. king.gif

Posted by: ted_simple Jul 30th 2006, 6:41 AM

Talking about acting... the guy who plays Ronin (I don't even remember his name, lol) was boring as always, but more significantly I was disappointed by Rachel Luttrell. Really, out of all the main cast she was the only one who couldn't act to be "under the spell". Teyla and Ronin, they are both so uninteresting that I don't look forward to any character episodes.

Posted by: KillerMarv Jul 30th 2006, 6:46 AM

I'm sure there are better episodes of Atlantis coming up... Trust me... Until episode 13, we will see great episodes. Just in case you don't believe me:

» Click for Spoiler «


Oh yeah. Great episodes in our near future. laugh.gif

Posted by: ted_simple Jul 30th 2006, 7:33 AM

Yes, I have a feeling the story line of this season will be a lot better than the crap we were served in season 2.

Posted by: Opher Jul 30th 2006, 8:29 AM

QUOTE(Arcady @ Jul 29th 2006, 10:33 AM) *
Weir has the same desk lamp as me. I want to know where the hell she plugs that in. Do they have AC outlets in Atlantis?


They may use a naquadah generator, i'm sure they found a way to make it work with our usual appliances.

Posted by: Opher Jul 30th 2006, 9:01 AM

I'm not sure i got the gatebridge idea. I assume gates can only be connected with the usual power usage if they are close enough (half a galaxy, let's say, as it seams they need more than 2 to get to the outer Pegasus), so they're trying to place gates so that they'll get to the milky way? How, exactly?
I mean even if they placed one gate in Pegasus in the closest solar system to the milky way and even if they did the same for the milky way, theese 2 gates could never connect to each other becasue of the huge void between the galaxies, void that is much larger than a galaxy... Did i get it right?

Posted by: magnavox Jul 30th 2006, 9:54 AM

Opher, don't double post hon. Use the edit button. wink.gif And for your question, I think they're placing a whole lot of gates in between the two galaxies to create the gate bridge so that there's not that much distance between jumps therefore they can hop from one to the next until they reach the Milky Way.

I thought the episode was fun. biggrin.gif It was good for a laugh and it's funny to see them act a little out of character for a one off. I loved Beckett's and Weir's reactions especially, and Sheppard's little teasing at the end.

Posted by: Opher Jul 30th 2006, 10:27 AM

QUOTE(magnavox @ Jul 30th 2006, 5:54 PM) *

Opher, don't double post hon. Use the edit button. wink.gif And for your question, I think they're placing a whole lot of gates in between the two galaxies to create the gate bridge so that there's not that much distance between jumps therefore they can hop from one to the next until they reach the Milky Way.

I thought the episode was fun. biggrin.gif It was good for a laugh and it's funny to see them act a little out of character for a one off. I loved Beckett's and Weir's reactions especially, and Sheppard's little teasing at the end.


Sorry, forgot about the first post, promise to do better next time wink.gif
Thanks for the unswer smile.gif Still, what about the gap between the galaxies where there are no planets?

Posted by: Subfer Jul 30th 2006, 11:26 AM

They probably gona place gates in empty space betwen galaxies and then dial from one gate to another until they reach destination, they will probably use jumpers travel, since they have DHD built in, or maybe they will build like space stations around the gate for protection and stuff.



And for all of u that dont like SGA, stop watching it, im really sick of reading ur whyning posts, if u dont have something smart to say shut up.

Posted by: startreksuite Jul 30th 2006, 11:49 AM

Well, it was a funny episode, but not as good as the last two episodes! Yes, Lucius, played by Richard Kind, was one of the scientists who tried to crack the Heiroglyphs in the original Stargate movie. Funny how things can come full circle. It was interesting to see Ronan laugh, but for me it was a little disturbing to see Weir flirty, I guess she just does the serious roles better IMO. I loved Beckett and McKay's goofiness, hanging on every word Lucius sad, and that Lucius was a baker with no friends before. I guess he wasn't to bright since the only gift he could give was a gourd candle holder! 1.gif

Posted by: Revan Jul 30th 2006, 12:09 PM

QUOTE(Auntie Em! @ Jul 29th 2006, 11:38 PM) *

One of the scientists that was helping open the gate. He and .....goodness I cannot remember her name.....the old broad with that gold pendent/chain that recruited Daniel in the first place.


Catherine, with her Ra pendant.


Some of the acting in this episode was entirely ridiculous. Not all of it good... Weir and Beckett were hilarious, but Teyla and Ronon were boring as ever. OVerall, I liked the episode. The only problem I had was its inanity.

Posted by: Opher Jul 30th 2006, 12:39 PM

QUOTE(Subfer @ Jul 30th 2006, 7:26 PM) *

They probably gona place gates in empty space betwen galaxies and then dial from one gate to another until they reach destination, they will probably use jumpers travel, since they have DHD built in, or maybe they will build like space stations around the gate for protection and stuff.
And for all of u that dont like SGA, stop watching it, im really sick of reading ur whyning posts, if u dont have something smart to say shut up.


Thanks, i probably should have thought of that myself blush.gif
As Marv said, it will only get better for the SGA smile.gif

Posted by: rkenshin Jul 30th 2006, 12:50 PM

QUOTE(Auntie Em! @ Jul 30th 2006, 6:39 AM) *

What exactly did you mean by the bolder areas. Did you want to see him have sex with them? What? blink.gif


Well not that far.. I mean they had Weir cooking for him.. Wish I could see her feeding him while she got all giddy with happiness while Teyla gave him a backrub

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jul 30th 2006, 2:29 PM

Rkenshin it is ok love I was bantering with you. I do that often! wink.gif

Break

The gatebridge is a dumbass ideal and could never ever work. Both gate systems work with constilations to create a 3 D box with the gate in side that box. Between both galaxies there are no planet or create constilations thus it is impossible to work. BUT the greatest reason it would never work is the following:

Atlantis gates and MW gates use different constilations. So the Atlantis gang places a bunch of gates and the SGC places alot of the MW gates but when they meet one cannot dial the other nor would they even get close to each other for the jumper to exit one and dial the next. I think the producers think we are stupid. That was one thing that RDA was able to do. He made sure they did not dumb down the show. Since he has left they have done that lots of times.

Posted by: rkenshin Jul 30th 2006, 2:41 PM

Well.. Couldn't they just hardcode a set of gate symbols into each stargate?

Then it would make sense and be harder for any outside threat to gain access to the Gatebridge..

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jul 30th 2006, 3:04 PM

But the gates work with constilations. Between galaxies there is immense distances. The gates would not work that way. Though, I guess what they could do is place one gate at the very edge of the PG and one at the very edge of the MW and use the 8th symbol. That way the last gate could jump the vast void.

Posted by: Sighfienerd Jul 30th 2006, 4:10 PM

The only two things of interest in this episode were that we got to see a completely different side of Weir and that Sheppard finally came across as a somewhat stronger and more serious character. Otherwise, the premise was painfully superficial and the comedic element was stretched far too thinly.

Posted by: Hazaa3000 Jul 30th 2006, 4:30 PM

Simply, Worst Atlantis Episode Ever!

sick.gif sick.gif sick.gif



Posted by: KillerMarv Jul 30th 2006, 6:02 PM

QUOTE(Auntie Em! @ Jul 30th 2006, 10:29 PM) *

Atlantis gates and MW gates use different constilations. So the Atlantis gang places a bunch of gates and the SGC places alot of the MW gates but when they meet one cannot dial the other nor would they even get close to each other for the jumper to exit one and dial the next. I think the producers think we are stupid. That was one thing that RDA was able to do. He made sure they did not dumb down the show. Since he has left they have done that lots of times.


In The Pegasus Project, they used a gate from the MW, to connect from the Pegasus galaxy to the MW, before they used the warheads to make the connection jump. The adresses in void however will have no sense, I agree with you. They would need to use the sattelite galaxies that exist inside the void.

QUOTE(Auntie Em! @ Jul 30th 2006, 11:04 PM) *

But the gates work with constilations. Between galaxies there is immense distances. The gates would not work that way. Though, I guess what they could do is place one gate at the very edge of the PG and one at the very edge of the MW and use the 8th symbol. That way the last gate could jump the vast void.


That would require a ZPM for that gate. And since, if we find another ZPM, we can use it to power the Earth gate, there would be no point in wasting one for that.

Posted by: ancient01 Jul 30th 2006, 6:34 PM

I, for one, like this series. I at least like the premise and the potential. This episode, though could have been left out. It just wasn't up to par. I don't have a problem with Richard Kind, but I agree the character wasn't a very good one. I think it was just a poorly written episode. My $.02...

Posted by: Revan Jul 30th 2006, 8:10 PM

QUOTE(Auntie Em! @ Jul 30th 2006, 3:29 PM) *

Rkenshin it is ok love I was bantering with you. I do that often! wink.gif

Break

The gatebridge is a dumbass ideal and could never ever work. Both gate systems work with constilations to create a 3 D box with the gate in side that box. Between both galaxies there are no planet or create constilations thus it is impossible to work. BUT the greatest reason it would never work is the following:

Atlantis gates and MW gates use different constilations. So the Atlantis gang places a bunch of gates and the SGC places alot of the MW gates but when they meet one cannot dial the other nor would they even get close to each other for the jumper to exit one and dial the next. I think the producers think we are stupid. That was one thing that RDA was able to do. He made sure they did not dumb down the show. Since he has left they have done that lots of times.

Remember what Baal was going to do with his stolen gates? They only need to find a way to reprogram the gate to dial a specific other gate when given a certain address.


QUOTE(Auntie Em! @ Jul 30th 2006, 4:04 PM) *

But the gates work with constilations. Between galaxies there is immense distances. The gates would not work that way. Though, I guess what they could do is place one gate at the very edge of the PG and one at the very edge of the MW and use the 8th symbol. That way the last gate could jump the vast void.

Manual dialing uses constellations. DHD's use correlative update programs, the same old address but new position. If you know the new position of a gate, its new address would probably work as well. Manual dialing targets a specific region of space and locks on to the nearest gate. They could just park a bunch of gates out in the void with stabilizer thrusters to keep them in place.


QUOTE(KillerMarv @ Jul 30th 2006, 7:02 PM) *

In The Pegasus Project, they used a gate from the MW, to connect from the Pegasus galaxy to the MW, before they used the warheads to make the connection jump. The adresses in void however will have no sense, I agree with you. They would need to use the sattelite galaxies that exist inside the void.
That would require a ZPM for that gate. And since, if we find another ZPM, we can use it to power the Earth gate, there would be no point in wasting one for that.

The gate was hard-wired using special crystals to target a specific other gate. McKay mentioned something about it. That is how they dialed the stargate floating by the supergate.

Posted by: J&S4Ever Jul 30th 2006, 8:30 PM

QUOTE(Dr. Prozac @ Jul 30th 2006, 6:00 AM) *

And Lucius Lavin will be back in episodes 13!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0816948/

Please let that be a better episodes than this one!



OH GOD NO! NO NO NO!

I really can't stand that guy.

Posted by: Revan Jul 30th 2006, 8:39 PM

QUOTE(J&S4Ever @ Jul 30th 2006, 9:30 PM) *

OH GOD NO! NO NO NO!

I really can't stand that guy.


I am not sure he is the center of attention... I sincerely hope not dry.gif

Posted by: IndyJan Jul 31st 2006, 2:37 AM

QUOTE(Janos @ Jul 29th 2006, 9:18 AM) *

I've only got one thing to say about this episode.

Hathor.



Yep, but this one was no good. After raving about the SG1 episode that BW had written, I had hopes for this one because he wrote it with RCC. Martin Wood directed it. It had all the makings and should have been good, but it stank to high heaven!

I said, as soon as I saw that Richard Kind was in the episode it was slated to be a comedic one, but with him in it, good luck. Once again, I was proved correct. It was awful.

Some of you have made comments about the acting and how bad it was. What I picked up on was, the actors didn't want to do the episode. They were in a series, a story was written, but it was a bad one. I saw them as being facetious, not interested in doing anything good. It's a paycheck, we film. Weir's facial expression when Lucius said we have to talk about marriage, said it all. She was trying but just could not do it. I also felt they made Becket look like an idiot when he cried because Lucius needed him.

The only good thing was Shep being totally serious and looking out for Atlantis and everyone.

Posted by: ted_simple Jul 31st 2006, 4:01 AM

I was being superficial two days ago. I had just arrived at my parent's house (who are on vacation) - instead of living in a small room, I suddenly had a house and I got lazy the whole day. Felt like I had a barony myself. Then I watched Atlantis and it served my mood perfectly. Ahhh nice, I thought.

However, there are a lot of inadequacies. The story is thin, the overall writing is lacking, and it all relies on the main cast's ability to act and make it funny. Beckett was good, so was Weir, McKay was okay.

Auntie, I agree with you a lot more now. It was a weak episode and not nearly as brilliant as I thought on first view.

Sighfie, you are right about Sheppard! When he met Ben Browder in the SG-1 episode, I realized that Ben is a more experienced, more serious actor and frankly, the shortcomings of SGA have a lot to do with their mediocre actors. Compare Ronin and Teyla to Teal'c - both the (unconvincing) characters, and the actors - and you know what I mean. Now that you mention it, it almost seems as if Flanigan realized he should get more serious after guest starring in the SG-1 episode, so he worked on it in Irresistible. When he tried to convince Beckett in the jumper, he was really making progress; Joe Flanigan can't keep the same acting up that he did for two seasons, or the series will get more and more boring.

QUOTE(IndyJan)
I saw them as being facetious, not interested in doing anything good. It's a paycheck, we film. Weir's facial expression when Lucius said we have to talk about marriage, said it all. She was trying but just could not do it.

I was having the same thought... which leaves a sad taste to this episode.

Posted by: IndyJan Jul 31st 2006, 11:56 AM

QUOTE(ted_simple @ Jul 31st 2006, 4:01 AM) *


I was having the same thought... which leaves a sad taste to this episode.


I had my husband watch it to see if my problem was just that I couldn't stand RK. Sadly, it wasn't. He said it was a very lame episode. Now we hear that RK will be back. Again I say why? sick.gif

Posted by: rkenshin Jul 31st 2006, 1:44 PM

» Click for Spoiler «


Edited for spoilers, even though the other guy got away with it pretty easily

Posted by: IndyJan Jul 31st 2006, 7:20 PM

QUOTE(rkenshin @ Jul 31st 2006, 1:44 PM) *

At least Kolya is in that future ep with Lucius, so it can't be that bad..


Well if he is, maybe he will take out Lucius, at least I can hope, as can Atlantis. smile.gif

Posted by: dr lee Jul 31st 2006, 7:51 PM

QUOTE(rkenshin @ Jul 31st 2006, 7:44 PM) *

At least Kolya is in that future ep with Lucius, so it can't be that bad..
So you're talking about a future episode am i correct? In that case why isn't the above in a spoiler box?

What you've put looks to be a spoiler and should reall be put in a spoiler box to allow those who don't want to know the ability not to know

Posted by: rkenshin Jul 31st 2006, 11:16 PM

And you're not arguing against that link that was posted earlier showing actor profiles (which included Koyla's name) for an upcoming episode and people talking about Lucius coming back for another ep as not spoilerish?

Posted by: atozz Aug 1st 2006, 8:58 AM

Hello everyone, it is my first post in here :-) I just could not resist commenting on the last ep. Well, generally I get a bit nervous whenever I see an amish-village type of an opening sequence in ANY sci fi show as it usually leads to no good plot-wise :-) And also, I was quite disturbed with that RK guy. However, that only lasted to the point when Shep was in brig. I quickly browsed through the ep before viewing it and thought it was the other way round (RK in brig and Shep on the other side of the bars). For just a brief moment it all became really serious - what if they did NOT stop this guy at all and he took over Atlantis! It was sort of that strange feeling back when I saw Daniel NOT being able to stop the Ori from burning Vala or the bullets shot by Vala NOT hitting the prior. This is why I am NOT disturbed by RK coming back and actually looking forward to it!

Posted by: KillerMarv Aug 1st 2006, 9:10 AM

I hope I am not repeating somebody else's words, but it seems to me that it didn't occur to the Atlantis expedition, that there is the possibility now that even more Wraith know about the existance of Atlantis. Beckett's team went on that planet (Wraith outpost), colonised by three hive ships, and returned directly to Atlantis under Wraith fire. It wouldn't have been hard for them to notice the gate adress, or the fact that they saw Teyla or Ronon before.

Posted by: Jade Aug 1st 2006, 9:11 AM

I did not understand the gate idea, reading some of the earlier post, but still scratching my head, i just gonna forget about it as one of those tech thing I will never understand

Alot of ppl don't like Weir, but I think she is good, she is good actress, believable playing someone out of her character. I agree, Ronin and Teyla look very stiff. Feels very uncomfortable watching them

Not a very good episode, I don't even think its funny, read somewhere the writer were comparing this to S2's duet, that was so much funnier. Just think Lucius was annoying, a bit too much. and the scene where everyone laughing at Lucius' stories was just over the top, wasn't funny

Posted by: Athgar Aug 1st 2006, 5:30 PM

QUOTE(Auntie Em! @ Jul 30th 2006, 8:29 PM) *

The gatebridge is a dumbass ideal and could never ever work. Both gate systems work with constilations to create a 3 D box with the gate in side that box. Between both galaxies there are no planet or create constilations thus it is impossible to work.


In the stargate film, it is explained that the co-ordinates of a target gate are given by the point of intersection of three vectors denoted by three pairs of constellations. Using this logic, there is no reason why you could not specify co-ordinates outside of the 'box'. The limiting factor would be the positions of the available constellations you could use to define your vectors

QUOTE

BUT the greatest reason it would never work is the following:

Atlantis gates and MW gates use different constilations. So the Atlantis gang places a bunch of gates and the SGC places alot of the MW gates but when they meet one cannot dial the other nor would they even get close to each other for the jumper to exit one and dial the next.


The Earth gate dialled the Atlantis gate and the Atlantis gate can dial the Earth gate, in these cases a ZPM is required. If one speculates a ZPM is only needed in those cases because of the vast distance, this need would be eliminated by reducing the distance between the gates.

In addition, the two galaxies gates don't have to interface at any point, just string stargates from one galaxy all the way to a planet on the edge of another and use its own stargate from there

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 1st 2006, 9:20 PM

QUOTE(Athgar @ Aug 1st 2006, 6:30 PM) *

In the stargate film, it is explained that the co-ordinates of a target gate are given by the point of intersection of three vectors denoted by three pairs of constellations. Using this logic, there is no reason why you could not specify co-ordinates outside of the 'box'. The limiting factor would be the positions of the available constellations you could use to define your vectors
Um, this is Stargate SG-1 and not the movie. They are not interchangable. Nor can you use something in the movie to explain why something in the show should work. It does not work that way. biggrin.gif

QUOTE
The Earth gate dialled the Atlantis gate and the Atlantis gate can dial the Earth gate, in these cases a ZPM is required. If one speculates a ZPM is only needed in those cases because of the vast distance, this need would be eliminated by reducing the distance between the gates.
Nope. One galaxy is one galaxy. They should have needed to dial with the 8th cheveron to get from the PG to the MW. Each gate were MW gates by the way.


Posted by: Revan Aug 1st 2006, 9:23 PM

QUOTE(Auntie Em! @ Aug 1st 2006, 10:20 PM) *

Nope. One galaxy is one galaxy. They should have needed to dial with the 8th cheveron to get from the PG to the MW. Each gate were MW gates by the way.

They circumvented that problem. It didn't say anything about dialing sequences, just that they had the proper crystals. As I said before, I theorize that they configured the gates to dial each other, so the dialing would be easier.


EDIT: Are you talking about what I think you are... this being the SGA 303 thread, though I didn't notice...????

Posted by: Lagger Aug 1st 2006, 9:39 PM

that was a pretty crap sga.. episode....

in fact it was sooo boring.. i just skipped 1/2 of it to the end....

nothing at all was gained from that episode, and definitly not enjoyment..

Posted by: Revan Aug 1st 2006, 9:55 PM

QUOTE(Lagger @ Aug 1st 2006, 10:39 PM) *

that was a pretty crap sga.. episode....

in fact it was sooo boring.. i just skipped 1/2 of it to the end....

nothing at all was gained from that episode, and definitly not enjoyment..

We learned that they are trying to make a gate bridge. I think that is all. We also learned about the actors' limitations.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 1st 2006, 9:58 PM

Hell I did not even realize Revan. laugh.gif But I guess the stupid dumbass gatebridge ideal it still kinda belongs in here as well. But your right more so in 1003.

Posted by: Revan Aug 1st 2006, 10:02 PM

QUOTE(Auntie Em! @ Aug 1st 2006, 10:58 PM) *

Hell I did not even realize Revan. laugh.gif But I guess the stupid dumbass gatebridge ideal it still kinda belongs in here as well. But your right more so in 1003.

I think I figured out whats going on now.


I still stick to my idea about specially programmed gates. They would only need to initiate the automatic dialing program to dial the next gate in the chain. The gates aren't far enough away to need extra power to dial out of the galaxy. It is all relative. If each gate was meant to dial another 2 specific gates only, they would not need any manual dialing at all... just the properly programmed crystals.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 1st 2006, 10:11 PM

The gates must be relatively close because McKay said that it would only take 30 minutes to span the whole distance. That would seem to preclude any extended Gate to gate regular space travel. It must have one gate. A few kilometers to the next gate and the same at each junction.

Posted by: Revan Aug 1st 2006, 10:21 PM

QUOTE(Auntie Em! @ Aug 1st 2006, 11:11 PM) *

The gates must be relatively close because McKay said that it would only take 30 minutes to span the whole distance. That would seem to preclude any extended Gate to gate regular space travel. It must have one gate. A few kilometers to the next gate and the same at each junction.

Why?

They only need one gate at each junction... you can dial out after you shut your incoming wormhole down.

Posted by: Mortuus_Tam Aug 1st 2006, 10:31 PM

Righty, so we manage to string these gates together across the galaxies, no one interferes (especially even more advanced species in either galaxies) and we start gaining massive advantage in terms of communication, supplies and manpower (among other things). Excellent.

Except that whole nagging problem reoccuring during the episode (Rodney's Quota), they haven't even managed to get one stargate...granted not a lot of planets left in Pegasus with sentient life (we assume) so...how many do we need...a good couple thousand? whistling.gif Sounds ambitious heh, wonder how many seasons of Gate-Harvesting and then Gate-Seeding we'll have to endure before this is a reality.


Posted by: J&S4Ever Aug 1st 2006, 10:41 PM

QUOTE(Mortuus_Tam @ Aug 1st 2006, 10:31 PM) *

Righty, so we manage to string these gates together across the galaxies, no one interferes (especially even more advanced species in either galaxies) and we start gaining massive advantage in terms of communication, supplies and manpower (among other things). Excellent.

Except that whole nagging problem reoccuring during the episode (Rodney's Quota), they haven't even managed to get one stargate...granted not a lot of planets left in Pegasus with sentient life (we assume) so...how many do we need...a good couple thousand? whistling.gif Sounds ambitious heh, wonder how many seasons of Gate-Harvesting and then Gate-Seeding we'll have to endure before this is a reality.


Are there no other galaxies between the Pegasus galaxy and ours? Might there be other races in those galaxies between the void that might just get curious about the gates? Could the Ancients have seeded other galaxies as well? Maybe we can take a turn in that direction since the stories that are coming out of Pegasus are getting a bit boring and predictable.

Posted by: Revan Aug 1st 2006, 10:49 PM

QUOTE(J&S4Ever @ Aug 1st 2006, 11:41 PM) *

Are there no other galaxies between the Pegasus galaxy and ours? Might there be other races in those galaxies between the void that might just get curious about the gates? Could the Ancients have seeded other galaxies as well? Maybe we can take a turn in that direction since the stories that are coming out of Pegasus are getting a bit boring and predictable.

The image they showed in 301... it showed a void between the 2 galaxies...

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 1st 2006, 10:52 PM

Revan I thought the gates would be "hard wired" to only one other gate in the chain. For some reason I thought of pairings of gates. Kinda like the following:

Gate A wormhole to Gate B.....fly through space to Gate C ...wormhole to Gate D fly through space to Gate E... wormhole to gate F...etc. etc.

Gate A would be hard wired to Gate B and B to Gate A.

C would be hardwired to Gate D and vise versa.
F would be hardwired to Gate G and vise versa.
etc. etc.

Once the gate B senses that A is sending it something Gate B will automatically autodial Gate C create a wormhold to gate D.

So once you fly out of Gate B the next wormhole has already been established so you just fly right into it etc all down the line. This is the only way I can see it having such a short time of 30 minutes flying time.



No?

Posted by: Revan Aug 1st 2006, 10:59 PM

QUOTE(Auntie Em! @ Aug 1st 2006, 11:52 PM) *

Revan I thought the gates would be "hard wired" to only one other gate in the chain. For some reason I thought of pairings of gates. Kinda like the following:

Gate A wormhole to Gate B.....fly through space to Gate C ...wormhole to Gate D fly through space to Gate E... wormhole to gate F...etc. etc.

Gate A would be hard wired to Gate B and B to Gate A.

C would be hardwired to Gate D and vise versa.
F would be hardwired to Gate G and vise versa.
etc. etc.

Once the gate B senses that A is sending it something Gate B will automatically autodial Gate C create a wormhold to gate D.

So once you fly out of Gate B the next wormhole has already been established so you just fly right into it etc all down the line. This is the only way I can see it having such a short time of 30 minutes flying time.
No?

OOOOO yeah I considered that.... I was wondering how they would do it though. Quite brilliant though. biggrin.gif

That is the more complex way to do it. And it would take much less than 30 minutes. You could increase to max thrust, and only have to slow down when you reach the ends. It would be very easy to encounter problems with that system though. With my way, the control would be kept with the pilot of the jumper.

A - B - C - D - E - F

Go from gate to gate, making a loop at each gate to re-enter it after using the special commands to open the new wormhole. You would have to remember when you reach the end, or you run into the iris. Your way also requires more gates. Actually, you could do your way with only one gate at each junction, and have them connected to 2 other gates.

Posted by: JTMAG1 Aug 2nd 2006, 12:27 AM

QUOTE
Are there no other galaxies between the Pegasus galaxy and ours? Might there be other races in those galaxies between the void that might just get curious about the gates? Could the Ancients have seeded other galaxies as well? Maybe we can take a turn in that direction since the stories that are coming out of Pegasus are getting a bit boring and predictable

They keep making sure to point out that there is a massive void between the two galaxies.

Posted by: Revan Aug 2nd 2006, 12:49 AM

QUOTE(JTMAG1 @ Aug 2nd 2006, 1:27 AM) *

They keep making sure to point out that there is a massive void between the two galaxies.

They are probably trying to be subtle and make it obvious they are far from home... Not too subtle though, maybe people weren't picking up on it?

Posted by: droid327 Aug 2nd 2006, 5:00 AM

QUOTE(Janos @ Jul 29th 2006, 9:18 AM) *

Or... I don't know... maybe they'll just USE IT TO GET TO EARTH??????????

DUH? How can that be a good idea?


I thought so too, but then realized....irises; they could put up coded Atlantean irises or even tritium SGC-style irises so that the enemy couldnt use the gates for travel. That still leaves the question of defending the gates against hyperspace-based attacks...

QUOTE(Mortuus_Tam @ Aug 1st 2006, 10:31 PM) *



so...how many do we need...a good couple thousand?



Well, assume a standard gate has the power to go from one end of the galaxy to another. Thats about 100,000 lightyears. The distance between nearby galaxies such as Pegasus and the Milky Way is about 2.5M LY and up, so we're looking at at least 25 gates in the sequence. Pegasus isnt a real galaxy, anyway, AFAICT, its a spheroidal dwarf galaxy related to (I think) Andromeda, and there are two galactic clouds named Pegasus (from Wikipedia) so its hard to tell exactly. But hundreds would be a bit of an overshoot. If you're going on the assumption it takes about 30 seconds to dial and transit each gate, and given an estimate of 30 minutes each way, that yields an estimate of about 60 gates in the bridge.

Of course, and no disrespect to Carter's genius whistling.gif but you could just have each "step" on the bridge have TWO gates facing each other, with an automated DHD at each "step", so that when you dial out, it sends a signal that will dial the next gate, so you have an open wormhole waiting for you when you emerge, and fly straight through, rather than having to exit, wait for shutdown, and then dial out to the next stepgate yourself....

Also, isn't the Atlantis gate supposed to be the only Pegasan gate that can dial MW gates? Is that because it has special dialing crystals? I tend to brush most technical concerns about dialing systems under the "SGC programmed their own dialing computers, so dialing rules dont apply to them" rug, but its a valid concern that was raised. Then again, I suppose you dont have to interface a MW and Pegasan gate, you could just have the last MW and first Pegasan gate in the series at the same point in space, so when you come out of one you go into the other....

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 2nd 2006, 5:11 AM

Yes the Atlantis gate is the only one that can dial using 8 symbols due to its crystal.

The gate used in 1003 was actually a MW gate and not one from PG.

Posted by: Athgar Aug 2nd 2006, 10:30 AM

QUOTE(Auntie Em! @ Aug 2nd 2006, 3:20 AM) *

Um, this is Stargate SG-1 and not the movie. They are not interchangable. Nor can you use something in the movie to explain why something in the show should work. It does not work that way. biggrin.gif


Quite right, however it's never been contradicted (as far as I'm aware) and was fairly central to the stargate principle
Could someone provide the episode and time index the gate co-ordinate system is explained in the series so I can draw comparison?

This line of thought appears moot anyway since there appears to be alternative methods but I'm pretty sure my reasoning is sound


QUOTE(droid327 @ Aug 2nd 2006, 11:00 AM) *
Then again, I suppose you dont have to interface a MW and Pegasan gate, you could just have the last MW and first Pegasan gate in the series at the same point in space, so when you come out of one you go into the other....



Exactly right


Earth gate has twice dialled other galaxies - O'Neill when he had the ancient knowledge and Atlantis in Rising, both times with the aid of a superior power source. Does it have these special crystals too? My memory fails me on this one


Edit : Didn't like my phrasing

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 2nd 2006, 1:58 PM

All the gates in the MW can use all 9 chevrons but only one gate in the PG can do the same thing. The Ancients smartened up when they built the PG ones. It is a safety feature.

Posted by: Janos Aug 2nd 2006, 2:20 PM

QUOTE(Revan @ Aug 1st 2006, 9:59 PM) *

Go from gate to gate, making a loop at each gate to re-enter it after using the special commands to open the new wormhole. You would have to remember when you reach the end, or you run into the iris. Your way also requires more gates. Actually, you could do your way with only one gate at each junction, and have them connected to 2 other gates.

Or, you guys can use Occam's Razor.

We probably don't have the technical skills to hardwire Stargates together.

So, we have a chain of gates, A-B-C-D-E-F scattered in a relative line from our galaxy to theirs.

Each gate has a set of coordinates in space that we'd need to figure out when they're moved.

Now, knowing these coordinates, we'd have the ability to travel like this.

From the Milky Way galaxy, Dial the A gate. Travel there. When the wormhole closes, there's still a Stargate sitting there. YOU CAN USE THAT SAME STARGATE AGAIN. Dial the B gate, travel to it from the A gate, dial the C gate, travel to it from the B gate, etc, etc, etc...

The simplest answer is usually the right one.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 2nd 2006, 2:28 PM

That is not in question Janos but McKay said it would only take 30minutes to go from PG (Atlantis) to the MW (earth). To having to go gate to gate, wait for the gate to turn off than redial it, fly through and repeat this what hundreds of times? Certainly it would take longer than 30 minutes.

Posted by: Janos Aug 2nd 2006, 2:31 PM

QUOTE(Auntie Em! @ Aug 2nd 2006, 1:28 PM) *

That is not in question Janos but McKay said it would only take 30minutes to go from PG (Atlantis) to the MW (earth). To having to go gate to gate, wait for the gate to turn off than redial it, fly through and repeat this what hundreds of times? Certainly it would take longer than 30 minutes.

When no signal or anything else goes through a gate, it shuts off quickly. It could be very quick.

Posted by: droid327 Aug 2nd 2006, 6:45 PM

QUOTE(Auntie Em! @ Aug 2nd 2006, 2:28 PM) *

That is not in question Janos but McKay said it would only take 30minutes to go from PG (Atlantis) to the MW (earth). To having to go gate to gate, wait for the gate to turn off than redial it, fly through and repeat this what hundreds of times? Certainly it would take longer than 30 minutes.


like I said before, if you assume about 30s average time for each gate, including dialing, kawhoosh, transit and shutdown, thats about 60 stargates in the bridge. If you assume that each stargate individually has the power to span a galaxy, about 100KLY, that tells you the total bridge is about 6MLY, which is within a reasonable estimate for intergalactic distances.

Even if you want to shave that down to 15 secs per leg, which IMO is a rather liberal estimate (remember the total [or at least minimum] transit time from Earth to Chulak shown in Children of the Gods? You can assume that subsequent "transit shots" were clipped), thats still only 120 gates and 12MLY

Incidentally, a 3 week transit in hyperspace with a 6MLY estimate of intergalactic void tells us that Asgard hyperdrives can run at about 4761 LYph at full sustainable speed smile.gif

Posted by: Dafmeister Aug 2nd 2006, 7:10 PM

QUOTE(droid327 @ Aug 3rd 2006, 12:45 AM) *
Incidentally, a 3 week transit in hyperspace with a 6MLY estimate of intergalactic void tells us that Asgard hyperdrives can run at about 4761 LYph at full sustainable speed smile.gif
The distance to Pegasus from Earth is 3 million light years, so the velocity would be double what you have worked out. There is a thread about comparative hyperspace speeds somewhere in Science and Tech if you are interested.

Posted by: JTMAG1 Aug 2nd 2006, 7:19 PM

QUOTE(Revan @ Aug 2nd 2006, 12:49 AM) *

They are probably trying to be subtle and make it obvious they are far from home... Not too subtle though, maybe people weren't picking up on it?

Well, the diagrams show The Pegaus galaxy, and a void, and they the milky way. Remember that space has three dimensions, so its possible for there to be lots of paths between two galaxies that do not pass through any others.

Posted by: toolazytothinkofanoriginalname Aug 3rd 2006, 3:25 AM

now, correct me if im wrong, but the wraith shoudl now know for sure that atlantis is still around, aside from the other times that the wraith have run into humans, they saw them go through the gate, and im sure saw the dhd to see that the destination was atlantis

Posted by: KillerMarv Aug 3rd 2006, 4:06 AM

Second one in a row:

QUOTE(toolazytothinkofanoriginalname @ Aug 3rd 2006, 11:25 AM) *

now, correct me if im wrong, but the wraith shoudl now know for sure that atlantis is still around, aside from the other times that the wraith have run into humans, they saw them go through the gate, and im sure saw the dhd to see that the destination was atlantis


Hmmm, now where did I see this before. Ah yes:

QUOTE(KillerMarv @ Aug 1st 2006, 5:10 PM) *

I hope I am not repeating somebody else's words, but it seems to me that it didn't occur to the Atlantis expedition, that there is the possibility now that even more Wraith know about the existance of Atlantis. Beckett's team went on that planet (Wraith outpost), colonised by three hive ships, and returned directly to Atlantis under Wraith fire. It wouldn't have been hard for them to notice the gate adress, or the fact that they saw Teyla or Ronon before.


Now, Toolazy, I know that there is much to read and maybe not enough time, but... OK, I'll shut up now.

Posted by: p00nit Aug 3rd 2006, 6:05 PM

I feel like i'm the only one who liked this one. I do agree tho it wasn't as exciting as sg1 right before but i liked lucius' acting. As the show went on, i kept hating him more and more which is what a good villain is supposed to do

QUOTE(Sylver @ Jul 28th 2006, 7:34 PM) *

Hi, just joined. Have loved Stargate since the beginning, and decided to give Atlantis a try even after S1. Loved most of the second season but I?ve noticed a growing trend among the episodes. They?ve become ?The John Sheppard Show!? focused totally on Sheppard and his co-called heroics to save the day.

I loved the ensemble of Stargate, and Atlantis promised to be the same. This doesn?t seem to be the case, and I?m frankly tired of Sheppard being the sole focus of every episode. There are so many other great characters on the show (Weir NOT being one of them IMO) but with every episode only Sheppard gets any growth, plot, or airtime.

At first, Sheppard?s sarcasm and pseudo-O?Neill way was fine, but the actor isn?t as laid back as Richard Dean Anderson, and has a hard time pulling off that irreverent wait-a-beat sarcasm O?Neill does to perfection.

?Irresistible?, while amusing and highly entertaining, was the same. Putting aside the fact that it was clear Sheppard wasn?t going to be influenced by whatever drug Lucius had because of the cold, AGAIN he saved the day! It?s repetitive and boring now, and time to move on.

We got to see more of the crew of Atlantis interacting with each other and in more areas of the very large and underutilized city. This provided an excellent format to show the lived-in look, rather than the sterile environment they seem to have even after nearly 3 years on the city.

Ronan laughing was scary, the big bad warrior laughing like that? Funny, but scary. It?d be interesting to see more of this (NOT THE LAUGHING LIKE A LOON) but of his not so tough warrior side, of maybe how he was pre-Runner.

McKay is always a hoot, but in this episode, a slightly pathetic hoot which showed just what type of personality he hides underneath his ego and scorn.

I?d love to comment of Teyla, but it?s hard to say anything about someone with less screen time than a secondary character like Beckett. She?s a warrior in her own right, leader of her people, and yet is reduced to a dismal caricature.

Weir?yes, Weir. I don?t like her, I don?t think she?s the right person to lead this mission (though I did like her when she was on SG-1 and played by a blonde), so I won?t go into just how many ways I?d like to see her gone.





just to comment on your jon sheperd show.. if u think about it.. it should be like that because sg1 was the same way. Sg1 for most of the first 7 seasons were focused a lot on RDA and it makes sense cuz he's team leader just like sheperd is for atlantis

Posted by: Mortuus_Tam Aug 3rd 2006, 11:33 PM

I get the feeling that although the episode wasn't very good, we're making it much more interesting focusing on the oh, 5 minutes spent on the gate-farming idea. I would have much rather seen that explored than love potions mad.gif

60 gates is a nice figure, for some reason I don't know why there isn't a catalog of unused gates already in existence...I know they've done *some* exploring in the last few seasons to account for something but alas, it doesn't appear to be so. Still have to wonder how long this will take and whether it'll turn into a loose end or get lost somewhere in the plot tangle ;)

I agree about the security of the network and the non-interference, if we can play around with a supergate (we being lowly advanced humans), I don't see why the Wraith or another ancient-equipped alien species bent on becoming our next new foe wouldn't say "how interesting..." whistling.gif

Looking forward to the next episode and possible movement on the Anti-Wraith plot.

Posted by: IndyJan Aug 4th 2006, 2:15 AM

QUOTE(KillerMarv @ Aug 3rd 2006, 4:06 AM) *

Second one in a row:
Hmmm, now where did I see this before. Ah yes:
Now, Toolazy, I know that there is much to read and maybe not enough time, but... OK, I'll shut up now.


You are so bad, LOL! 1.gif

Posted by: kordone Aug 5th 2006, 12:23 AM

QUOTE
thats about 60 stargates in the bridge


Now thats alot of gates to harvest for the Atlantis team, but I have an idea, if the Genii start to become a problem again. 1.gif

Posted by: Gruber Aug 5th 2006, 2:44 AM

It struck me that when they came up ith the stargate harvesting, that they could use one gate as defence in orbit around atlantis.
let me explain : if they use a similar technic used in sg1 where there can be 2 gates on 1 world (the american had one and the russian) and they control when they are switched between one and the other.
So if the wraith would accedently see them going through the gate (and see the gate-adress) like happened in this episode when they got the branches, they could simply switch to the other gate in space , so when a wraith decides to come after them they would end up in space seeing nothing than the planet where atlantis was (atlantis is cloaked by then).

A nice episode, lucius reminded me to urgo in sg1.
And Mkay took some of the ingredients for study rolleyes.gif , nice try

Posted by: Rogue Ashrak Aug 5th 2006, 10:23 AM

QUOTE(Revan @ Aug 2nd 2006, 1:59 PM) *

OOOOO yeah I considered that.... I was wondering how they would do it though. Quite brilliant though. biggrin.gif

That is the more complex way to do it. And it would take much less than 30 minutes. You could increase to max thrust, and only have to slow down when you reach the ends. It would be very easy to encounter problems with that system though. With my way, the control would be kept with the pilot of the jumper.

A - B - C - D - E - F

Go from gate to gate, making a loop at each gate to re-enter it after using the special commands to open the new wormhole. You would have to remember when you reach the end, or you run into the iris. Your way also requires more gates. Actually, you could do your way with only one gate at each junction, and have them connected to 2 other gates.


QUOTE(Janos @ Aug 3rd 2006, 5:20 AM) *

Or, you guys can use Occam's Razor.

We probably don't have the technical skills to hardwire Stargates together.

So, we have a chain of gates, A-B-C-D-E-F scattered in a relative line from our galaxy to theirs.

Each gate has a set of coordinates in space that we'd need to figure out when they're moved.

Now, knowing these coordinates, we'd have the ability to travel like this.

From the Milky Way galaxy, Dial the A gate. Travel there. When the wormhole closes, there's still a Stargate sitting there. YOU CAN USE THAT SAME STARGATE AGAIN. Dial the B gate, travel to it from the A gate, dial the C gate, travel to it from the B gate, etc, etc, etc...

The simplest answer is usually the right one.


As you can see in Revan's quote, that was his original idea too, it was Auntie Em's idea to use hardwired pairs.

Of course Janos, if you truly wish to follow the Occam's Razor principle, you should realise that both ideas are woefully inefficient. I have a far superior alternative that I posted in a simlar thread on the main discussion page. Judging by these ideas you all probably missed it (although I KNOW Em saw it, I'm hurt that she would forget my brilliance so quickly 1.gif ) so here it is again:

Make use of Anubis's wormhole forwarding protocol that he used to protect the Stargate in Prototype. Modify the gates in the bridge so each one automatically dials the next one in line. All you have to do is dial the first gate from Earth, go through, and then the automatic relay will keep forwarding the wormhole down the line all the way to the Pegasus gate. None of this tedious "exit the first gate, turn around, dial the second gate, rinse & repeat" nonsense.


As far as the episode goes I thought it was alright. There have been far worse episodes, both in Atlantis and SG-1. I too thought "Hathor!" when I realised what was going on, but they did do it differently. Remember there's only so many basic story types, the trick is to do them differently each time.
McKay's use of the herb extract on Sheppard right at the end was funny though.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 5th 2006, 11:33 PM

sick.gif

You sick bastard stealing my ideal that way. That was allll me babe. So get over you huge ego and go play with yourself in the corner Rogue!!!! 1.gif

Your just jealous of my great ideal. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Rogue Ashrak Aug 6th 2006, 2:39 AM

Huh? blink.gif

Sorry Em, I'm confused. Do you seriously think I stole your idea, or are you being sarcastic?

If you're talking about your idea a few posts above, then it's entirely different to mine (which as I pointed out, I posted in a different thread a week ago). You may have misunderstood me, I'll try to explain it in a bit more detail.....

Your idea was for one gate to automatically dial a 2nd gate. Upon exiting the wormhole, you would fly through realspace a short distance to the 3rd gate, where it would automatically dial the 4th gate, come of the wormhole, fly through real space to the 5th gate....ect

Eg ... =realspace travel
--- =Gate travel
* = Dial point


*A---B...*C---D....*E----F and so on to Pegasus.

This way multiple dialings are required. Even if they are automatically programmed, you still have to exit a wormhole then re-enter a new wormhole continously for each new gate.

Revan pointed out you didn't need pairs of gates at each location, you could just turn around and dial the gate you came from, giving:

*A---B*B----C*C---D And on to Pegasus.

Again, whilst this cuts the number of gates needed in half, it still requires a lot of seperate wormholes to be entered and exited along the way.


Now mine uses the Wormhole forwarding protocol from Prototype. Each gate is hardwired to the next in the chain (1 way only, use the ZPM to come back from Atlantis)

*A---B---C---D---E And on to Pegasus

Note that you only ever have to dial once, from the Milky Way gate. And the only time you actually come out of a wormhole is at the very end of the trip in Pegasus. At all the other stargates in between, the traveler does not actually reintergrate, they are merely stored in the buffer. The gate then turns around, dials the next gate, and sends the traveller through to be stored in THAT buffer. And so on. The first time they actually reintergrate from a wormhole is at the end of the trip in Pegasus. So from the travellers point of view they seem to only undergo one (albiet long) wormhole trip. It's much, much easier.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 6th 2006, 2:57 AM

I gave you tongue Rogue. wink.gif

Er I mean what part about the smilie sticking out its tongue at you did you not get!

Of course I was being sarcastic Rogue. I like you, so it will always be in jest and not seriously. If I have a problems with anything you posted I would talk to you in PMs.

But I did not copy you, twas you who copied me. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Rogue Ashrak Aug 6th 2006, 3:14 AM

Ah that's cool then. I figured you were just joking, but it seemed a little harsh even for sarcasm, So I thought I'd better make sure. You're scary when you're angry ph34r.gif .

Even pretend angry. Noobs flee in terror. 1.gif

And for the record, no-one's idea was copied. They are completley different. Mine's just better (of course) biggrin.gif






Posted by: Revan Aug 6th 2006, 12:03 PM

QUOTE(Rogue Ashrak @ Aug 6th 2006, 4:14 AM) *

Ah that's cool then. I figured you were just joking, but it seemed a little harsh even for sarcasm, So I thought I'd better make sure. You're scary when you're angry ph34r.gif .

Even pretend angry. Noobs flee in terror. 1.gif

And for the record, no-one's idea was copied. They are completley different. Mine's just better (of course) biggrin.gif

I would wonder how the iris deactivation code would be transmitted...

Posted by: TEHGR8SG1FAN Aug 6th 2006, 3:12 PM

Hi all, I'm having some trouble understand this "gate bridge" theory. Last I heard Atlantis and Earth were on the outter most radius of their corresponding galaxies, so clearly this means there are no other planets between the 2 worlds. To me this means SG1 will need to dump a load of stargates in the void between the 2 galaxies, but they will not function without a planet or as we have found out recently, a black hole. So does this mean they have discovered a means of artificially creating a blackhole? if so it seems a bit far fetched and unrealistic.

Please can someone explain it to me because I sure hope I am missing something here.. smile.gif

Posted by: Revan Aug 6th 2006, 3:18 PM

QUOTE(TEHGR8SG1FAN @ Aug 6th 2006, 4:12 PM) *

Hi all, I'm having some trouble understand this "gate bridge" theory. Last I heard Atlantis and Earth were on the outter most radius of their corresponding galaxies, so clearly this means there are no other planets between the 2 worlds. To me this means SG1 will need to dump a load of stargates in the void between the 2 galaxies, but they will not function without a planet or as we have found out recently, a black hole. So does this mean they have discovered a means of artificially creating a blackhole? if so it seems a bit far fetched and unrealistic.

Please can someone explain it to me because I sure hope I am missing something here.. smile.gif

They merely need power sources, and special dialing crystals to make them function independently of the respective gate networks.

Posted by: Rogue Ashrak Aug 6th 2006, 5:09 PM

QUOTE(Revan @ Aug 7th 2006, 3:03 AM) *

I would wonder how the iris deactivation code would be transmitted...


I thought about that, I'm not sure if they could transmit the code from Earth and expect the gates to forward it to Pegasus. Probably not.

In which case one more dial will have to be done. Rig the Automatic relay so it stops at the second-last gate in the line. Then as you suggested, they can come out, turn around and redial the Atlantis gate. Then they can transmit the shield code as per usual before going through. At least it means they only have to do redial again once as opposed to 60 times.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 7th 2006, 8:33 AM

AGAIN you steal my ideal. Your a double rat Rogue! Stop it or I will sick Revan or Marv on you. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Pitry Aug 14th 2006, 4:55 AM

I'm going to shamefull admit. I actually did find myself laughing - depsite myself - during that episode.
I didn't expect it to be brilliant - or hilarious- or great - and it wans't any of these. It was merely... somewhat amusing.

I actually don't have a lot to say on that episode, TBH. Glad to see they're utilising Beckett more this season. Want more Zelenca. It was nice to see a bit more sensible Rodney. Er, the joke in the end with Sheppard and Rodney was amusing? Ronon can smile?....

*tries*

Posted by: Gate Jumper Aug 14th 2006, 10:47 AM

This Ep was pretty funny although stupid but funny. Parts like where he's story tellling after Mckay and Sheppard get back and everyone is laughing, Ronon laughing was good since he's always serious. Part where Mckay is Wiers office w/ Lucious and he's trying to stand on his hands was funny. Just funny parts here and there so an alright Ep.

Posted by: dr lee Aug 20th 2006, 3:58 PM


Is it just me or does Ronon look like Julia Stiles with dreadlocks and facial hair whenhe smiles/laughs? blink.gif


Posted by: sherryw Aug 22nd 2006, 10:40 AM

I liked this episode as well..though with the consesus it wasn't one of my favs. I have to say that the past two years they've focusing more on missions and going offword and introducing bad guys. I really think that this year they will be focusing more on the characters.

I have to also agree that the scene when Beckett starts to cry in the PJ was absolutely hilarious.

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Posted by: originIsSalvation Aug 26th 2006, 9:16 AM

I cannot believe the amount of negative comments on this episode! IMHO, the acting was very good, and Lucius was so funny! I found myself laughing for most of the episode. IMO Irresistible was definitely of much higher quality than most of the early episodes of the other seasons.
It seems that alot of you didn't like this episode as much because of the SG-1 episode the same night but I saw the 2 episodes seperately (downside of not living in the US) so it's possible that my perception is quite different...

Posted by: cosmos Sep 13th 2006, 3:54 PM

I found this episode more engaging and entertaining than the ones coming before it in this season.

A simple yet efficient plot. I was impressed by Sheps acting, I thought that Joe really nailed that episode.

Great Humour!

Overall a 4/5 for this episode.

Posted by: Dafmeister Nov 1st 2006, 5:05 PM

Seriously, what the hell was this pile of sh*t? Was there supposed to be any comedy in it? I for one couldn't find any. What in God's name was Carl Binder thinking when he wrote this?
I never thought there would a charater that could rival Harlen as the most annoying character in Stargate but there is one now. Richard Kind is a total wanker and doesn't derserve to appear on Stargate. This episode has got to be the worst ever episode of Stargate.

Posted by: JC1 Nov 1st 2006, 5:27 PM

I really wasn't expecting much from this episode, but that was just awful.

The only intesting thing about this epsiode was the briefly mentioned space bridge idea.

Apart from that, this episode had nothing to offer.

Posted by: Revan Nov 2nd 2006, 2:09 PM

QUOTE(Dafmeister @ Nov 1st 2006, 5:05 PM) *

Seriously, what the hell was this pile of sh*t? Was there supposed to be any comedy in it? I for one couldn't find any. What in God's name was Carl Binder thinking when he wrote this?
I never thought there would a charater that could rival Harlen as the most annoying character in Stargate but there is one now. Richard Kind is a total wanker and doesn't derserve to appear on Stargate. This episode has got to be the worst ever episode of Stargate.

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I think the only thing that happened in this episode was the introduction of the intergalactic gateway, and gate harvesting.

Posted by: Dafmeister Nov 2nd 2006, 2:33 PM

QUOTE(Revan @ Nov 2nd 2006, 7:09 PM) *
I think the only thing that happened in this episode was the introduction of the intergalactic gateway, and gate harvesting.
It could have easily have been added to 'The Pegasus Project' and would have been more appropriate if included in that episode. This episode was a total waste of time and money, even M and M could come up with something better.

Posted by: Revan Nov 2nd 2006, 2:49 PM

QUOTE(Dafmeister @ Nov 2nd 2006, 2:33 PM) *

It could have easily have been added to 'The Pegasus Project' and would have been more appropriate if included in that episode. This episode was a total waste of time and money, even M and M could come up with something better.

The gate bridge is an SGA plot, not an SG-1 plot... it could not have been included in Pegasus Project, because not everybody sees them at the same time, and the storylines wouldn't have properly meshed anyways.

Rest assured that the bridge is an SGA plot line.

Posted by: Dafmeister Nov 2nd 2006, 5:20 PM

McKay said it was Sam's idea though so it would have made more sense for it to have first been mentioned in 'The Pegasus Project'.

Posted by: JTMAG1 Nov 2nd 2006, 6:46 PM

QUOTE(Dafmeister @ Nov 2nd 2006, 5:20 PM) *

McKay said it was Sam's idea though so it would have made more sense for it to have first been mentioned in 'The Pegasus Project'.


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Posted by: Revan Nov 2nd 2006, 11:30 PM

QUOTE(Dafmeister @ Nov 2nd 2006, 5:20 PM) *

McKay said it was Sam's idea though so it would have made more sense for it to have first been mentioned in 'The Pegasus Project'.

The bridge is primarily for the Atlantis expedition... They try to exist as seperate shows, and because the bridge has like no bearing on SG-1, it was introduced, as a plot device for SGA, in SGA...

Posted by: Parmenides Jan 21st 2007, 11:23 AM

I'm all for fun episodes...but this one just SUCKED.

Seriously, quite possibly the worst episode of Stargate ever, across both series - closely rivalled by The Tower. Why is it that when SG-1 has a bad episode, it's bad, but when Atlantis has a bad episode it's horrendous? sick.gif At the beginning of the episode, I actually found myself wishing that they wouldn't return to the planet...and I still wish they hadn't.

I can't stand Richard Kind. I'm sure he's a perfectly nice person, but all of his roles are the same, and they're the most annoying characters I can think of. He also just doesn't fit into the SG universe - whoever cast him failed.

All the regular characters bumbled too much. I know they were "under the spell", but it didn't have to be so hammy. Beckett's tears were just ridiculous. Shep's responses to the bumbling weren't much better. Oh, and the "inject Lucius with the serum instead of the ATA therapy" gambit was incredibly transparent.

Don't get me started on the gatebridge - it's a farce. It goes against well established gate theory, and is a huge breach in security. Sure, they could put up irises to protect against the Wraith...but as soon as they find two gates in the middle of NOWHERE, they can form a straight line that leads all the way to Earth.

Utter guff.
I'm patiently awaiting glom's review. laugh.gif

Posted by: Dafmeister Jan 21st 2007, 12:01 PM

QUOTE(Parmenides @ Jan 21st 2007, 4:23 PM) *
I'm all for fun episodes...but this one just SUCKED.
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Posted by: Parmenides Jan 21st 2007, 1:22 PM

Oh Gods, why, why!?

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Posted by: Forest Feb 3rd 2007, 6:11 PM

The idea of an intergalactic stargate bridge is a great idea. And I loved it when Rodney reluctantly stated that it was �it was Samantha Carter�s idea�, lol.

It was wonderful to see Richard Kind in this episode. He is an amazing actor and I think he played Lucius quite well.

As for the episode itself, it was an average episode. Not a super good one, but not an awful one either.

It was also funny how Rodney tried to keep some of the herb for himself at the end there.

Posted by: cdpage Mar 19th 2007, 9:54 PM

Wow...

I hope this EP doesn't get air again.

there was nothing good in this EP, nothing.

ok i stand corrected...

Rodney keping some of the Herb was pretty funny.



Posted by: kordone Mar 20th 2007, 3:53 AM

QUOTE(Dafmeister @ Nov 2nd 2006, 9:05 AM) *

Seriously, what the hell was this pile of sh*t? Was there supposed to be any comedy in it? I for one couldn't find any. What in God's name was Carl Binder thinking when he wrote this?
I never thought there would a charater that could rival Harlen as the most annoying character in Stargate but there is one now. Richard Kind is a total wanker and doesn't derserve to appear on Stargate. This episode has got to be the worst ever episode of Stargate.


Can't complain with that. bow.gif

They should find a quick & painful way to get rid of Lucius in season 4! laugh.gif

Posted by: JTMAG1 Jul 21st 2007, 2:41 PM

I am watching the movie right now, and I like the charter he played even less since have seen these two eps.

Posted by: Revan Jul 30th 2007, 5:56 PM

QUOTE(JTMAG1 @ Jul 21st 2007, 3:41 PM) *

I am watching the movie right now, and I like the charter he played even less since have seen these two eps.

I completely forgot that he was an inept archaeologist in the film!

Posted by: JTMAG1 Jul 30th 2007, 8:06 PM

QUOTE(Revan @ Jul 30th 2007, 5:56 PM) *

I completely forgot that he was an inept archaeologist in the film!

Yeah , me too. I just had an urge to watch the "ultimate edition" that day, and he stood out sooo much.

Posted by: Revan Jul 30th 2007, 9:01 PM

QUOTE(JTMAG1 @ Jul 30th 2007, 9:06 PM) *

Yeah , me too. I just had an urge to watch the "ultimate edition" that day, and he stood out sooo much.

As long as nobobdy argues about the different film editions, its all good.

Posted by: AtheneBelle Jan 22nd 2008, 10:36 PM

Rather off-topic so feel free to move this where you feel it's appropriate, but did you guys know that Richard Kind had been in the StarGate Movie? I was watching the first hour or so of it on SciFi and recognized him immediately. Just thought I would throw that out there as food for thought.

Posted by: JTMAG1 Jan 22nd 2008, 10:55 PM

QUOTE(AtheneBelle @ Jan 22nd 2008, 10:36 PM) *

Rather off-topic so feel free to move this where you feel it's appropriate, but did you guys know that Richard Kind had been in the StarGate Movie? I was watching the first hour or so of it on SciFi and recognized him immediately. Just thought I would throw that out there as food for thought.

Are you serious? Read the posts directly above yours. laugh.gif

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