Well this episode won't make it to the Top10 Atlantis episodes but it was better than the
last episode and Definitely much better than that Boring Boring SG1 Baal episode...

This episode kicked ass!

Ronon seems much more familiar to me than he did before. I liked all the "bullet-time" shots from the warehouse that later exploded.
I too was puzzled with the male wraith in charge of the hive. Something bad must have happened to the queen.
I was allways wondering what do his people look like and I must say that they look normal. Everybody had normal haircuts. So by their standards too Ronon looks like a "caveman". I expected them all to have like afros and stuff.
And yeah! What's up with John's leather jacket? Is he cool or what?

Also the conversation between John and Teyla was really cute and awkward at the same time.
McKay and dr. Beckett scenes allways rule! His morphine stimulated babbling was hilarious!

I really enjoyed this one. I think the biggest problem with this series is the lack of character development. They brought Ronan in, but never developed his character. This episode goes a long way toward fixing this problem. Now we can understand why Ronan is the way he is. A character has to have depth for us to fall in love with them. A show has to have developed characters for us to fall in love with it. Writing 101... Thumbs up to the TPTB.

I thought of SeaQuest too as soon as I saw it. Something I noticed bothered me after watching the 2nd airing. How is McKay able to sit down in the jumper? At first I thought maybe he had one of those special cushions, but I didn't see any noticeable height difference between him and Beckett.

This post has been edited by Reignfire: Aug 5th 2006, 11:54 AM

I really liked this ep.

As usual it is clear that Ronan needs some serious psychiatric help.

I loved finding out a bit about his past, he is one very complicated character.

Allot of new questions come up from this: What exactly is the purpose of a Runner? Was the first Wraith we saw (the dude who's eyes glowed) a genetic experiment? Are the Wraith working on some new technology? Are the keepers necessarily only female?

Why the hell was this Wriath sooo strong? I mean the Wraith from 'The Defiant One' could take a real beating but this guy was ridiculously strong.

Beckett treated him in while he was on the Deadalus before they got to Sateda. Maybe it was with some pain killers.

This post has been edited by David_ofthe_Tar'e: Aug 5th 2006, 12:03 PM

The way i've seen it is that because of the level of technological advancement Sateda had reached the Wraith decided to Cull the planet.

As for how they got this technology could be simple due to rapid development, or storage of technology/information in a library of sorts burried in a concealed bunker from the Satedan's of the previous Culling. Remember how some 300 survivors managed to hide and escape during Ronon's time. Possibly this bunker structure was based on that of one built and hidden by Satedans of the last culling.

I agree, this was the kind of writing I?ve been waiting for, something that SG-1 had (and has) in abundance and all throughout their 10 years, even with new people, but that Atlantis is missing. With luck, we?ll see more of this.

And last night it was late as I posted my original thoughts, and I had to get up early for work today, but I can?t believe I forgot about McKay?s arrow?hilarious! The end with he and Beckett was also wonderful, they really do play well off each other. Chuckling again over that.

I'm dissapointed with the final battle scene. I personally thought Ronin was going to gather all his hate for the Wraith to momentarily give him the extra strength to kick the sh** out of him in a jean-claude van damme kind of way.

I like this episode. The only problem i have about it is that i felt there should have been more. It should have been a two parter or something. That way you would have more time to dwelve into ronons life a little more, and become a little more familiar with him. Dont get me wrong some of the scenes with him and his flashbacks gave us an idea, but i feel there should have been more. Plus, i would like to add how i liked that one scene with sheppard and teyla where they are on the daedalus in hyperspace. I thought it was nice to see sheppard showing a little something about himself. It made me question as to whether he has family back on earth and stuff.....I think we need more episodes that dwell into the characters some more.

The Wraith with the glowing eyes reminded me of Riddick. He was even wearing sunglasses. Maybe he works out?



Yes, we finally get a glipse into Ronon's past. An insight into his character. He really has a lot of hate within...

Funny: McKay's lemon boxers, Shep continuously changing the number of Wraith he killed and Teyla just looking at him

I thought it was funny when Ronon was looking all tough like Brad Pitt from Troy when at the beginning when he jump and killed that soldier by stabbing him in the shoulder, and right when Ronon was about to hit/cut the Wraith, SMACK! right into that warehouse door.

Haven't written anything here for a long time but now I just felt like doing it

A great episode! But what else could you expect from the guy who has written most of my SG-1 favourites - Redemption, Heroes, Lost City, not to mention all his work in the earlier seasons! If you need someone who can put great action, humor, team dynamics and character development in one episode Rob is the man for the job!

McKay was great, especially his scenes with Beckett. We found out so much more about Ronan, moments between Teyla and Shep were great too (and NOT from a shipper perspective ). Even though Ronan was the central character here, team was what mattered in this episode. And we really saw how their relationships have developed and how far all of the Atlantis team members were ready to go for each other. In some bits it got a little to sentimental but I can live with that

Good one!

EDIT: Agreed on the leather jacket! Thumbs up!

This post has been edited by Ilzy: Aug 5th 2006, 3:39 PM

I just remembered how Beckett and McKay were fighting over that large machine gun, but Ronon killed most of the Wraith before they got a chance to do anything. I knew Ronon was going to hug whomever answered when he asked 'Who killed him?'...

I just finished watching the episode and I have to say that it's a really good episode for the following contentions.

Firstly it's one of my favorite episodes throughout the whole Stargate Atlantis series because it talked about someone's past history clearly and thoroughly. It's what I like most about historical episodes is that it gives someone a full spectrum of the person.

Secondly I found it amusing at the same time -- Mckay got shot!! That was just hilarious for me because to my knowledge I don't ever think Mckay ever got shot.. it was just hilarious when he was sitting on the table mumbling about his dilemmas and etc. Speaking about amusing, that one scene w/ Mckay & Beckett was also good too.. and I notice how we got into a bit about Sheppard's own personal life - standing up for his family and everything. This episode really got to me because everyone was connected with themselves in a way. It talked mainly about "No man being left behind" kind of thing and it was really & clearly emphasized.

Thirdly.. it just got my blood pumpin. When I was watching SG1 two hours back I was like.. hmm okay not so bad but when I watched Sateda it was just.. pumpin & smashin. The background music really gave a good taste to the episode when Ronon was running.. adding flashbacks about his girlfriend/wife that he had. It was just great.

Oh I also noticed that leathered jacket.. hahah

Ok, if you want to get technical....The Wraith have catlike eyes. Vertical pupils. Animals that have this feature have it because it helps with night vision. Mix that with many animals having that mirrored lens in the back of their eyes that helps reflect extra light in the dark to help them see much better. So, it seems the Wraith have a natural kind of night vision. However, I could be completely wrong, and the sunglasses could have been protecting his eyes because of sensitivity because they made this Wraith like Riddick.



Were they lemons? I thought they were yellow smiley faces.

So did I originally. Then I thought they looked like some sort of citrus, probably lemons. I could be incorrect though.

Great Ep. Ronons episodes are always full of action and are much more fun to watch than episodes starring Teyla. I thought that the first wraith sent to kill Ronon looked like something out of the matrix. Maybe it was just me. Nice flashbacks we really get to see how harsh it is to be in a thriving society when the Wraith are about.

Did anyone else find this to be sort of like The Matrix?

I mean, there was the Wraith with glowy eyes that could see Ronan in a weird way. And then there was the slow-motion shots of Ronan avoiding wraith blasts in the warehouse. And then the Head Wraith was all strong and stuff.

Haha, the writers are always joking about ripping off of some movie for Stargate, I think the Matrix was the object of interest this episode.

I also thought it was hilarious when Sheppard increased the number of wraith he killed, to be more than Teyla. d when Ronin hugged Beckett, he was like, "I coulda killed him at any time..." I thought this was very entertaining. And IMO chemistry between each character is getting much better.

Yes, that pleased me as well. We saw good interactions between characters. Also, each character grew. We learned more about them... I am thinking they realized fans were annoyed with lack of character growth.

I liked that they were trying to fill in some backstory for Ronan. ( How the hell do you spell that guy's name?) He's always been very much an enigma. I liked that they gave him some material that he could really ham it up with (which he did admirably). I liked the homage to the western as a genre.

I liked that we got to see a sensitive, serious side to Sheppard (finally!), and I especially liked how they didn't make him out to be a slut (when talking to Teyla), but someone that genuinely cared as a friend.

But though I liked a variety of elements in the script, it didn't really work that well (for me) as a whole.

I did get some giggles out of the "gluteus maximus, gluteus maximus....you mean my ass???"

McKay shot in the ass! What a hoot and so karmically suitable too.

i really liked this ep. possibly the best relationship episode atlantis has ever had. i loved the scene with sheppherd and teyla when he tentatively reaches over and pats her hand. i also loved the irony in mckay's choice of boxers and when sheppherd keeps increasing the number of wraith he killed lol.

Ok, this ep was better than I thought it would be, I accually kinda liked Ronan in this episode. Normaly he's all like "Me Ronan, me kill you now" but he had accual feelings in this episode. I finally noticed how hot he is, I couldn't see it before And didn't want to, but I found myself really liking the fight scenes with Ronan and all the wraith. Except when they killed 25 of them in, what, 5 min? Every other episode, they emphasize how hard wraith are to kill, but all of a sudden, for this episode they all go down with one bullet.

I loved Mckay's high pitched wailing! He's my baby, I wanted to hug him Glad to see he's a boxer man; I prefer boxers to briefs. One more reason to love

And is it just me, or was that conversation b/tw Carson and Rodney about who was closer to Ronan extreamly slashy?

I was thinking the night vision could be something that carried over from their Iratus bug origins since those live in caves.