I couldn't find the actress's name online anywhere which was odd, but I just checked the credits and it is not the same actress - I guess we were both wrong Ulla Fris played Ba'al's Lotar in 'Abyss', but she did not appear in this episode. In this episode, Kianna was played by Emily Holmes.

I guess they just look similar or I was remembering it wrong. Besides, it would have been very confusing if it was the same actress as she would have then played two parts in Stargate looking exactly the same in both and serving Ba'al in both

Well thanks for finding out Aesir. I think during "Abyss" you never really get a good look at the lotar, so when I saw Kianna my mind just sort of compared her to this vague image from "Abyss".

I do wonder what will happen with Kianna and Jonas. It will be a bit like the Jolinar/Sam with Martouf thing. I think Sam was attracted to Martouf, but she could not seperate where her feelings ended and Jolinar's began. Kianna will have to sort out if she really liked Jonas or is it the memories of how the Goa'uld felt. The same goes for Jonas. If it was the Goa'uld he fell in love with he may not like the real Kianna. Seems to me at the end that Kianna did have more of a Tok'ra type experience with the Goa'uld and may actually come away from the experience unscathed.

This post has been edited by ChibiSam: Jan 15th 2004, 10:57 AM

Pretty good episode and the series has now established an even keel.
Like most people I was surprised that the Goa'uld sacrificed herself to save the host-not the bit about saving the planet (who wants to be on the part of the planet that's going to explode?!). Does the fact that some of the Goa'uld have the inclination to sacrifice themselves in a "noble" manner have implications for future episodes? We'll see.
Nice to see Jack back on form and present for more than the token 2mins and Daniel reverting to the role of mediator again. Just like the olden days!
A weakness of the episode? The conflicting view we see of the Goa'uld I suppose. For the past 6 seasons we have been led to believe that the Goa'uld are selfish and egotistical-why would one suddenly go all noble on us? love/attraction for Jonas? hmm not sure on this. Could have been better explained, though this is not really a criticism more a thought.
Overall I enjoyed the episode.

I liked this episode and i liked the comedy, i mean come on all that you have to do was look at jonas' hair and you'd be in histerics. I also liked the fact that they left an opening to revisit the planet in the future by gen. hammond sayin that ba'al would likely return in the future to see what happened to his spy. Which is good as it means that we get to see more jonas
And i also thought that in one scene jack did incredibly bad acting, it was nearish the start when jack wes shouting at the guys sayin ''ul destroy ur planet'' and stuff like that and it didnt come off well.

I liked it. There was enough suspense to keep me happy and Kianna was easy on the eyes. I'll admit it was a bit weird for a Goa'uld to develop a fondness for a human like Kianna did with Jonas, but surely it is possible. The Tok'ra have mentioned that they are made up of the children of Ageria but also of the occasional Goa'uld that is sympathetic to their cause, for whatever reason.

The drill was a tad cheesy (concept, not the CGI, it looked great).

It was made clear in the episode that Kianna wanted the Naquadria for herself, and that she didn't report it back to Baal. If he didn't know about it, then there is no reason for him to come looking for it. Odds are he won't care too much if his spy is dead because from what she was telling him, he probably thought that Langara was useless. While she was working with Jonas, he must have grew on her. It happens, even Goa'uld get lonely. By the end it did seem like she cared about Jonas more than the Naquadria, but because it was the result of a gradual shift in her thinking, it wasn't as hard to believe.

This episode was definately good. While it was good for the type of episode it was, I usually prefer episodes with more action so I'll give it an 8/10.

well i have to be honest, i didn't really like this ep. It didn't seem to have enough story & it had basically no plot twists, pretty boring i thought & what's with the goa'uld unless she's a tok'ra goa'uld are evil not nice, no goa'uld would sacrifice it's life for it's host.

does jonas have a gou'ald computer? if not how did he read info of the crystle. also if that girl did it. wouldn't it be a tab obvious something kinky is going on?

It looks suspiciously like a human computer... if the Goa'uld use Dell (?) laptops then I'd be very suprised As for reading the information... he could have maybe found some way to interface his computer with the crystal. After all, Felger didn't use a Goa'uld computer to interface with the DHD in 'Avenger 2.0', he used a human built one.

i believe that carter has figured out a way to interface human and crystal technology considering the prometheus...so it would be only fitting for her to be able to get a mobile interface...

jonus might actually get someone but that little thing with the gould might be a little tiny problem...just maybe....

One of the best of the season yet. I wish we could see more external shots of the drilling vehicle though.

I actually enjoyed this episode alot more than any other.Here are some of the things i liked.

1. I loved it when Jonus and Kianna were showing Major Carter the drill and, after the VERY cool cinematography, she said "cool!"- i loved that! And what great effects that was with the drill!

2. It was great to see Jonus in fine form and i actually found myself liking the whole new look of his- even the tracksuit!

3. I thought the whole Kianna thing was very good also. I believed that she had first come with her own intentions but had over time fallen for Jonus. I thought there was some jealous tension from both Kianna and major Carter.

4. I thought the arguments between the diplomats were childish and stupid- just like what they would be in real life!

And these are some of the things i didn't enjoy.

1. I thought at the beginning that Jack wasn't that funny and rather forced. He did better with that 'dickin' around joke!

2. I was dissapointed in the symbiote dying situation. I would of thought that it would have been could for the goa'uld to survive and see what would of happened afterwards. They just walked in and said the Goa'uld was dead.....came off bad to me.

3. When Jonus was leaving. I felt, for a moment as i watched the reactions or lack of Jonus leaving, that i didn't like Major Cater and Teal'c or was it Daniel ..anyhoo, they didn't seem to care that Jonus was leaving and i thought that wasn't to good. They just seemed to have no expressions at all...kinda smug to me actually.


I watched this episode with my father- a rareity, but he is very hard to please and he has found some of the season seven eipsodes kinda crap but he was laughing and going "WOW" like a little kid throughout the episode! Especially with the drill/ sam saying "cool" scene....and he loved the "dickin' around line from Jack.

Taking into consideration the bad points i put down- i will give this 9/10! A big step in the right direction for season seven.....hope there is more to come!

I have to say it again....

JACK: That's what you get for dicking around.

ahahahahaah

good ep....and Jonas gets a girlfriend..... Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!

When Kianna and Sam were exchanging dirty looks in the drill control room i was like "Bitch fight, bitch fight, bitch fight...."

but yeah..good ep for the boys

but I liked daniel's hair. I don't like Jack's new haircut but. Too short up front.

Well that goes my shallowness quotient for the day.

I can't really comment on anything else since all the SFX were a pixelated blur.

I thought that the gould giving its life was so stupid, as if it would!!!! But overall i thought this ep was ok.
i think jonas should be in more eps

o u just gotta love Teal'c and Jack in this episode
soooo much fun

Thats what you get for dicking around. Ha, I nearly pissed myself laughing, I hope they dont edit that here in the states!

My review of the episode:

I really liked this episode. For all intent and purposes, it was very obvious what was going to happen. I had kind of hoped that Jonas did find a girl that wasn't evil but unfortunately that wasn't the case. There is a twist in this episode, although its more to do with the whole series, the whole plotline than the episode's storylin itself.

The situation with the Gaould has always been a black and white issue. The Gao'uld are evil, the Tok'ra are good. This episode (by the way, this storyline appears in almost all sci-fi tv series) causes a minor rift in that theory. The Gaould of Keanna fell in love with Jonas - is that strange? we never heard anything about Gao'uld falling in love before so can this really happen. She never really said it but it was obvious - she did all the things one would do when in love. I'm sad really, cause I really can't say if ALL the gao'uld are evil. Maybe some are good, or can be swayed to be good, much like the first of the Tokra.

Keanna Gao'uld healed the host while dying herself. Familiar? That's how Sam Carter found out about the Tok'ra. They both were unwilling host, and both even did the 'Please listen to me' speech. The only difference here is that we have always believed that the Gao'uld are inheritly evil. Can Gao'uld be good, or is it because of human compassion?

I lov ethis line because it shows so much:
Keanna (in Gao'uld voice): So much for my empire...

Side Note:
- We now know why the Gaould doesnt use N'quadria and the origination of N'quadria.
- The planet is still there allowing n'quadria to be mined.
- It's good to see Jonas Quinn.
- What is it with the guys trying to show off there body this last half of the season? Throughout the whole episode Jonas Quinn wore something tightfitting. Other episode has Daniel goes around in a vest, and working out?
- Jack is still very good. Too bad he's not in it very much this season.
- I take it Baal will be going to Jonas' planet soon to see why his Gao'uld has not replied.

In conclusion, a very good episode but only because it throws a twist in the works. Otherwise, a very overused plot.

This post has been edited by Chrominium: Jan 23rd 2004, 8:02 PM

Great ep. One of the best of the season. I was glad to see that there was at least on good goa'uld other than the tok'ra. I guess she didn't spend too much time in a sarcophogus to turn her into a Dr. Evil.

I was a bit confused when I saw their drilling machine. I was like, how the hell did they get so advanced within a year or so? But it all came clear when they had a Goa'uld behind the designs.

I'm not gonna say the Jack quotes cause everyone's said it about 30 times already. But he was quite teh funnay in this ep. The look on the ambassadors faces were priceless when they said the deal was off.

I give it 4 stars but Kianna's extreme hotness pushed it to 5.

I realy liked this episode. It was awesome. And it had some very intersting developments. Like that you could start a reaction with naquadah to turn it into naquadria.This is a huge discovery. Now I wonder if Sg-1 will duplicate this technology and turn any ol' supply of naquada to naquadria. If they successfully accomplished this, and if they could figure out how to use it properly, then they could built huge shipss, have advanced weapons and shields, and much more. Another huge development in the series.

I thought that this episode was pretty good. I couldn't stop laughing when O'Neill said, "Thats what you get for dicking around." When did the SGC get a hand scanner to open up the Iris?

I noticed this in the episode Grace. Whats the deal with Sam's hair?

This post has been edited by Chaka: Jan 24th 2004, 1:25 AM

Actually, they could just give Kianna a Goa'uld voice modulator and have her report back to Ba'al. A report a day keeps the System Lords away, as the saying goes.

I think it would've been a lot better for the symbiote to survive; that would make for an interesting character. A Goa'uld with imperialistic tendencies yet in love with a Kelownan. It'd be interesting to see the guest list for their wedding.

I also had a problem with the drill, since it'd be a lot more efficient to use explosives or some sort of heavy laser to drill. I'm willing to suspend my disbelief since otherwise it wouldn't have been such an interesting episode.

It was a nice twist that the Kelownans caused the reaction; when I first saw the previews, I thought it was something SG1 did. When Sam started to explain how it had been caused, I thought she would say it was due to the System Lords' shooting down Anubis' ship, which would have caused a little extra tension.

Teal'c did come off as un-Teal'c like, but then again I haven't seen season 6. It just seemed like he was along for the ride, he didn't really contribute at all; just happened to be there.

Finally, I wonder if this 'good' Goa'uld could end up with a search for a queen to replace Egeria...

Edit: Chaka, when was the hand scanner shown? I'd like to get a look at it.

This post has been edited by WMCoolmon: Jan 24th 2004, 1:28 AM

Best epp of the second half of the season, even tops some of the epps in the first half. Felt like the old days!

I think (???) that the Goa'uld can leave their hosts with only what info they want to. For example, Jolinar didn't leave Sam with the ability to speak Goa'uld, and later Martouff seemed suprised that Jolinar "left these feelings" with Sam. From that I assumed that the Goa'uld could choose what memories to leave with the host just before dying.

THE GOOD:

I liked the whole Journey to the Center of the Earth thing - most of all the graphics of the drill when they "flew" down it with the camera - Awesome detail!

I loved seeing that Daniel was actually frusterated to the point of saying forget it to a dying planet (I used to get frusterated with his "innocent people's lives" arguement). It was fun to see him let Jack handle the diplomacy. Also, I loved hearing him say "Much rather face death any day than sit through one of those meetings again" (more of a paraphrase than a quote) - means he's back to appreciating how much "fun" his job is. I didn't appreciate the "We do get paid for this, right?" line at the end of homecomming, as if he wished he hadn't come back.

I loved all the humor that Teal'c got, most of all the "get over yourself" look. It's about time, I mean don't the goa'uld know that it doesn't bother him any more? It was good to see him react so blatently in his facial expressions and verbalize his negative opinions. YEAH GO TEAL'C!!!

The scientist in me liked hearing that Naquadriah was not natural and how it was made - way cool, send me the recipe.

Not sure if I liked the nice goa'uld thing. I can see both sides: Maybe there's hope for the goa'uld after all, and the goa'uld are bad, stay bad, and we like them bad, besides it's genetic I've been rolling the idea around in my head for awhile I think I liked it though, if a random Goa'uld can't be good then how did the Tok'ra start?

THE BAD:

Thank you! That drove me crazy! They hadn't even started yet and they were already too hot for sleaves?

And the My Goodness Can We Talk About UGLY!

Jonas clothes = two thumbs down
Jonas hair - it reminded me of Luke Skywalker's hair in Star Wars , wow, he needs a haircut (okay it did start to grow on me by the end, but it was still weird!)


Can't wait for next week's epp!!!!!

That was a really good episode in my opinion for a few reasons

1) We know that the system lords now know that somethings "up" with that world

2) I thought it was a good plot twist with the whole shes just human no shes guhold, shes in the service of Baahl, no shes trying to form here own empire... Did people miss the part where she says "So much for my empire?" She wasnt nice AT ALL and for a matter of fact she was just trying to form her empire by manipulating the people on that world.

3) Thought it was great to see a tokraesque type gohold, lets remember here people the tokra ARE gohuld, so that means that not ALL gohuld are evil...

Also keep in mind the one ep where its theorized that the gohuld become who they are through the use of the sacophraguous sp lol.

4) We now have some gohuld systems that we can enjoy learning from

5) We now know how to make naquadria



PS when the heck we gonna start fighting super soldiers again

well in response phsically tok'ra are exactly the same as goa'uld but emotionally, & in their personally traites they are world's apart, remember when a queen spawns a symbiot she choses what they are like all goa'uld queens are evil so they they make their offspring evil too, they choose that their offspring are evil, power hungrey, arrogant & after galactic domination. But egeria(the tok'ra queen) wasn't evil so she created her offspring with personality traites like being caring, nice etc.. so they would retain those traites & not be evil thus they are the tok'ra. so kianna can't be a tok'ra because the tok'ra left the goa'uld gene pool a thousand years ago & she wouldn't have had the genetic knowledge of how to upgrade everthing on the drill so she kianna's goa'uld must have been spawned by a ga'uld queen thus she would be born with an evil personality thus on fallout she wouldn't have been nice to jonus's etc... you can't can't fight your personality it's what you are & you can't change it, that's why i found the goa'uld part of thsi ep un-realistic at the least but i ahve now decided that i don''t mind that ep now.

BTW, Egeria was the -only- one to change her offspring's memories and personality traits (S6E10 Cure). The other Gao'uld has no choice but to pass all their memories into their offspring thus inherentely born evil (Because of the genetic memories as mentioned by Harsisis, S4E17 Absolute Power).

Anubis has only recently found out how to do it because of mind probing Jonas as he knew about Egeria (S7E12 Evolution II), and so creating his mass army of super Gao'uld soldiers.

It seems like a very wierd episode. Daniel got fustrated with Diplomacy, Jack saved the diplomacy, Teal'c has no patients, Gao'uld has a trait of goodness in her?

It was obvious that Jonas is not getting a ordinary girlfriend from the beginning. Who of them ever has?. I didn't miss the 'So much for my empire' as I have said in a few post above. It was one of my favourite lines actually.

It showed that she was evil, but it also showed that she had changed, maybe due to her love for Jonas. She was willing to sacrifice herself to save the others - how human. If it wasn't for the fact that Gao'uld are suppose to be evil, the whole storyline would have been obvious. The whole 'have sympathy for the bad guy especially because he died' has been done before in Stargate SG1 and a whole slew of other tv series. Just wrapped in a different package.

It was very well done, so Kudos to Jonas Quinn.