I've only watched this episode once so far so I can't comment much on it because I can't remember the half of what happened in it, but anyway, main points -

I like Agent Berrett. No idea why, I never used to but just something about him in this episode changed my opinion of him. Loved the bit where he asked Sam to diner and she told him she was seeing someone, "Really? You?" LOL

Didn't like the whole bomb plot. Again, I have no idea why, it just didn't click with me.

It's good to see Daniel do what he does best, talking, being the humanitarium type thing etc etc. I liked the thing between him and Anna. Sure, it was predictable that she would end up dying and all, but I still liked it.

I had a nitpick to do with something in this episode but I've gone and forgotten it I'll post it later if I remember it after rewatching.

Overall, I though it was so-so. Nothing too exciting or interesting, but still a rather good episode in my mind. 6/10

I think this episode was depressing. Two in a row where we kill someone off

The evil scientist was sort of cliche, but I suppose he had to be a whacked idiot.

I don't know why they are having less and less of Tealc. It seems like lately all he says is "Indeed"

It was a little far-fetched that a girl could overpower two guards and Daniel to escape. Also very unrealistic that she could have killed everyone in the compound. I mean, come on! 32 people? And no one heard shots and came running?

It was interesting to have Barrett ask Sam out. But I didn't think his surprise that she'd be dating was realistic. I mean, get real- she's a pretty woman and of course she'd have a life outside of the SGC.

I had thought that perhaps from the title of the show that they might have found a way to bring back Janet but I guess she's just an angel now.

All in all, I really wasn't too impressed with the outcome of the episode. I'd give it a 5/10.

But then, I might be the minority. I didn't like Heroes either.

This post has been edited by shadowrose40: Feb 19th 2004, 7:11 PM

Different Universe? Ok, I'm confused.

This isn't the first episode that Michael Shanks wrote. The other one is in season 6, I think. I'd have to go through 150 CD's to make sure, LOL.

I wonder if Amanda Tapping and Richard Dean Anderson will ever write episodes? I know that Christopher Judge has done a couple.

Now if you could just direct to the a URL link where the interview where he stated that Stargate is ruining his life, or where he whined about having to be in it is then I'd happily agree with your point of view.
However I seriously doubt he's said any such thing and certainly not in the context in which you seem to have implied it here. He has, sensibly, decided that there are more important things in life (and, let's face it at fifty four it's not like he's got decades and decades left) that he needs to do while he's still young and healthy enough to do so. Things like spend time with his child. Personally, if I ever am fortunate enough to get the chance, I reckon I'd move heaven and earth and give up just about anything to be able to just be there for my kid too.
I reckon that if he really really didn't want to do it at all he'd just say so and stop and there wouldn't be much anyone could do about it. As Mithwriter said he goes and so does the show. I think I'll still be able to breath and beat blood round my body if that happened.

I probably come across as a bit of a RDAist there. I'm not (except for the him being incredibly hot thing) I thought the same thing when MS left for a year. I just happen to think that life is incredibly short and full of much unhappiness so it's important to grasp what is going to make you happy while you can and screw what a whole bunch of probably slightly whacko strangers might say or think. I'm also a big fan if the "if you don't like the way it's developing then don't watch it" philosophy.

As for that whole Nazi/German thing. Hitler wasn't even German, he was just incredibly charismatic and led a fairly fed up and depressed nation to a temporary feeling of power and prosperity.
I must confess to finding it somewhat irritating that the old Nazi stereotype appears to be applied to Germans in pop TV culture. I generally have an issue with American TV and it's habit of stereotyping just about anyone really. Brits are always seen as upper crust toffs wearing bowler hats or the traditional Bow Bells cockney, the Irish are always drunken jolly little leprechauns, Italians are always connected to the mob... I don't think the German thing is any different, it's just easier for people to associate and digest a character if you apply some basic racial characteristics to it. I don't think American TV is the only ones guitly of this either, I think UK tv and probably all forms of media tend to do put people in little boxes with cute little labels on them. No matter how wrong it is I think it' s just done to help us associate the character with the personality we should expect him to have.
My main issue in this case is that I'm dissapointed that an intelligent Sci Fi series like Stargate would conform to such a stereotype. I would have expected better given the racial issues that having a bloody alien in the team might bring about. PLus, as has bee said, it would have made for a much more interesting tale had the scientist been basically good but passionate and truely beliveing he was doing what he did for the good of the planet.

It is available. I got it at suprnova.org yesterday.

I will refer you back to the episode "First Ones", where the first SG team is infected by Goa'uld . Teal'c bound up everyone, to see who would break free. Anyone who broke free would be able to because of the Goa'uld.

Therefore, Humans infected by Goa'uld have super-human strength.

YES YES YES!!!! They used the correct sound for the MP5!!! *jumps for joy*

Anyways: I too was very impressed with the directing, or....more specifically the camera-work. Episode had that X-files feel, which is cool, but not really what I wanted out of this one. Good acting though. I can't believe I didn't even notice that RDA wasn't in it until I read this thread! Oh well: only 3 eps left...

Uh oh.....

Cheap shot. I think it's kind of obvious I was embelleshing there for emotion, considering the paragraph that was immediately before it

And I'm saying he should. He's really not there too much at all, and seriously at the beginning of this ep, when I heard the excuse....It really did surprise me. I expect to hear a ton of excuses....
"Jack was shot and is recovering."
"He decided to take some leave."
"The Tok'ra wanted him."
Etc etc, and it just annoys me.

True, however if he wasn't prepared to give it his all then he just shouldn't have signed on. He should have just left, because again he is dragging it down.
When he's onscreen too, its just like he's not putting anything into it at all. In fact, I can probably draw a small ASCII thing for his average facial expression lately.

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RDA Happy
RDA Sad
RDA Mad
RDA Aroused
Etc,.

I mean, he's just been so boring lately and his screentime has been pathetic. It just annoys me...I hate it when people go into something

Well, I may just do that if the series continues to try to be X-Files.
I'm already not even going to bother getting the next ep....
Sorry, but this ep just %@*^@$ me off. I mean Stargate is not only drifting away from the Stargate, but is running away at full speed.
"General....Can we go through the Stargate?"
"......Shol'va!"

That's how I am. I don't notice RDA until they invent some excuse for him to be gone.
Just let him fade away.

Actually he was Austrian.

I'm trying to remember ever seeing a film or tv show produced in the US that had a Brit wearing a bowler hat, and I can't think of any. The accents are something else entirely. I can pick out a couple of them, as well as the difference between a Scottish, Irish, and English accent, but to most people they all sound the same.

According to US movies and tv, the Irish aren't jolly leprechauns....drunks, thieves and low-lifes perhaps....which the English and Scots are catching up to here, I think, thanks to some recent movies.

As far as the Italians or (Italian-Americans) go. Well...um ...at least a handfull of the families are in the NY/NJ are the Mafia. Its hardly a secret, to tell you the truth. Now if you want to say that its bad being used as a sweeping generalization, fine, but most stereotypes have a basis of truth in them, it just depends on how much that stereotype makes up the character. There is a show here called The Sopranos about an Italian-American family here in New Jersey thats in the mafia. Every year when the show airs its season the two camps draw sides....the Italian-Americans who think it unfairly stereotypes them all, and the guy who created the show (also Italian-American) and his supporters who say that it also shows postive apsects of a typical family.

Back to Stargate...what's the difference between making a German we never see related to a Nazi war criminal and the stereotyping of the Russian military every time they set foot in the SGC? It's the same thing.

This episode didn't do much for me kids.
It was interesting- I don't know whether it had been a long day at work when I got home just in time to watch it on Skyone- but I was fallin asleep half way through.

I think compared to the last 2 episodes- it was not even close...by a LONG shot!
I'm sorry MS- it was an "interesting" episode- (I've already used that word before haven't I? I can't think of any other words to describe it! )- but I think there is definitely room for improvement... "Sorry," *she whispers nervously*

Oooh! It was great to see Agent Bartlett back- I think he's a good character. And I liked Teal'c's ever-vital role in defusing the bomb with Lee. The girl was alright as well- but I lost interest by the end of the show... Infact... I've already forgotten what happened to her at the end! On no! (Lack of concentration or what.)

This post has been edited by SG1nut: Feb 20th 2004, 6:12 AM

To me maybe but not obvious to everyone who reads stuff on the net and believes it. I get a bit defensive when people start quoting other out of context and twisting their words to suit their own agenda. I certainly wouldn't want someone to (e.g.) say I was racist just because I don't want to live in Southall (ko, any Londoners here will probably understand that). There's a difference between being ready to wind things down and verbally expressing how arsed off with something you are.

To re-quote Mithwriter; When he calls it quits the series ends. Maybe it should already have in your opinion but I and others are enjoying S7 enough to not mind his reduced presence. Ok I do mind, I wish he was there more, but I can't blame him for what he's doing.
By the way...when did we ever see him aroused? I must have missed that ep.

I can, albiet only in some oldies. Probably our fault though for inflicting Monty Python on you...you don't mind do you? . If you think of the bowler hat thing as a metaphorical sign of the upper class toff then you've got Wesley and Giles in Buffy, the British amabssador in Disclosure, the Well Manicured Man in X Files (the whole scene in the movie with him having a Butler and all) all upper class toff types. The only realistic English accent I've seen recently has been James Masters as Spike. I'm not saying they should try and regionalise accents more but that they should at least pick an accent that less than 1% of the population actually have so that when I visit your fair shores next i don't get accused of being Australian again!

But this is hidiously off topic so I'll get back on. I think we agree kind of on the stereotype thing. It's a sort of necessary evil to allow us to recognise these characters in the very short space of time we have in an episode. Getting back to the Russians on SG1 thing, the few times it has focussed on the individual characters (i.e. Watergate and Metamorphosis) then we've seen a much less sterotypical view and a more rounded characterisation of them.

This post has been edited by Majikthize: Feb 20th 2004, 6:16 AM

No, no, no,.... everyone knows the Irish are all terrorists (but very *nice* terrorists ). Anyone who saw the pilot of Jake 2.0 will know what I'm talking about.

This ep was ok, Daniel was just Mulder without the sulking, and the bomb defusion was boring, but it wasn't the worst. RDA's absence is kinda sloppy, but neccessary, I guess.

I am really pissed that htere was no jack in this episode....

he hsa been sitting out most of the last episdeos where his humor could be useful and his presence is neccesary...

bring him back! its almost as if he's been scrubbed...

Actually, they had a valid reason for him not being in this one, that being that he's recovering and taking some time off from what happened in Heroes. There is a line in that ep that validates this explanation.

Also, the way this ep was constructed there really wasn't room for O'Neill in this one, which I'm sure was by design. What could he have done in this ep to further the story? All the plot points were covered by other characters...heck, I think they could've even sat Teal'c out for this one, to tell you the truth.

i didnt really see the point of this episode

what did we gain from it????

i thought it was an alrite ep but not the best

it was well written by MS and good directin by AT tho


i hope there's goin to be more actually goin throught the stargate on missions nxt season,

and one more thing,,,, MORE RDA PLEASE!!!!!!!

I 2nd to that, "three fries shortofa happymeal" (^above^), the episode was kinda boring and Daniel Jackson p*ssed me off more than ever before as I mentioned earlier. That fire was his fault.

Did anyone see the Carter kiss Daniel bit?

This post has been edited by Carter-Hot: Feb 20th 2004, 5:51 PM

Hmmm.. I took it to mean that an area roughly the size and population of Orange County would be destroyed if the bomb went off.. both will fit quite nicely inside LA county very easily. Besides, for those of us who live in the area, OC wouldn't be missed that much

And yes, it did feel very X-file-ish. I was waiting for Scully and Mulder to appear... or at least the smoking man. Altho.. I think Mitch Pileggi would be a cool addition to the Stargate SG-1 cast. (Yo! Brad... hint hint ) Not a bad ep.. just not the greatest either. I'll give it a 5.5/10... just 'cuz I'm feeling generous today

I too notice the similarities the episode had with Silence of the Lambs. Right away when I saw the charcoal drawings on the inside of Anna's glass cell I screamed that they were ripping off Hannibal's cell. Then, the alien-babies in the jars looked exactly like the ones often shown in X-files! The episode was like one long deja vu.

Overall, I thought the episode was okay. It had some funny lines, but was lacking in other parts (largely in RDA's absence).

I can't say much of the directing, as I was doing my German homework as I watched, so I didn't get a sense for the technical aspects of the episode.



This post has been edited by Xantara: Feb 20th 2004, 10:39 PM

But again: He's already called it quits in every way that matters: He's not there and when he is there he doesn't seem to care about his performance.
All that's left to do is file papers and become a guest star.

I don't think its a matter of him not caring...I think its more that the character might not be pushed and challanged as he was in the past, and that would be the writers' doing. If the character isn't pushed into something, then the actor isn't going to react because there's no basis for it. Watch intense stuff like Abyss or Full Circle or Grace for example, you can see him rise to that next level. I also thought he gave a solid performance in Heroes.

As far being a guest star....not likely. I would imagine the pay difference from "executive producer" to "guest star" would be roughly the equivalant of going from CEO to a temporary worker...or..er...something in that vicinity.

Honestly, would you?

what happened to the sam daniel kiss i saw pictures of????

You've been teased, that's all it was. A tease.

i thought maybe he'd died again lol