Yes... I was trying to be dryly sarcastic because it's a total rip off of that episode. It just happened 10 years later. I guess I was a little too dry!

This wasn?t the best episode they could have had for the season finale, there seemed to be more of an ?ending? feel to it than a tense cliffhanger. I liked it, but didn?t really get the sense it was going anywhere.

We were introduced to Ancients that didn?t seem all that Ancient-y ? or what I thought a non-assenced Ancient would be. Clearly I was wrong and need to revise my opinion. Anyway, they were abrupt, rude, and strangely non-questioning. Did they think that the city would tell them what had been happening in TWO galaxies for the past 10,000 years? Did they even realize so much time had passed? (I missed some of McKay?s lecture on the hows and whys.)

Okay, yes, there was that whole superiority thing, but they couldn?t even fix their own hyperdrive! What does that tell about their superiority? FINALLY we meet more than the arbitrary Ancient and it?s rushed. What about the other 100 or so of them? I think the entire galaxy is disappointed with these so-called ancestors and their complete and total lack of pretty much anything ? sympathy for those they left behind (that they themselves ran from) to face the Wraith they created; taking over the city from those who actually were trying to help; and apparently (unless I missed it) not promising to fight the Wraith.

Random, that?s the best I can describe this episode. At least there was a ZPM.

Plus, Teyla and Ronan? Can they have more than 3 sentences before everyone else shows up? Though I did love how the Genii were recruiting them. I tend to agree with Ronon?s assessment of not trusting them, but it was great nonetheless. But come one! What?s the point of either of them if they do nothing but stand in the background and have their own conversations?

I love both characters, and really wouldn?t mind hearing their conversations, probably be more exciting than what we witness. Then again, I?m envisioning a running commentary on how this plan isn?t going to work, and of course something?s going to happen. Nothing?s routine in this galaxy. And why did they have to piss these people off, too?

And I?m sorry, I know there are people on here that like Weir, but I truly can?t stand her. I understand the depression; it?s not that, it?s just her.

Best moment: Woolsey and O?Neill speaking with the head Ancient, Helia. Woolsey?s line about how the Ancients were the ones who created the Wraith?priceless. I?m really beginning to like him.

damn i hate the cliffhanging and the show were not so good at first part ... do much boring episodes in that episode no action and so on and when te actions starts then they must say to be continued ... well nex ep is in march in us maybe in uk will it start in january like they have showed it past few years then we dont have to w8 half year to c it ... damn they make cliffhagind in mid season what realy sucks and well last and first they are good for the seasons to geep ppl to watsh the series ...

This episode was OK. There isn't much to be said after the SG-1 ep this week.

I'm starting to like atlantis for all the wrong reasons... Rodney was funny again. That seems to be the main theme lately for me. Asking John for those pizzas... just funny.

I didn't saw any trailers or spoilers for either shows this week, but I totaly knew that Jack is going to be in SGA when I saw him in the SG-1. It's the way it works lately...

Cliffhanger was appropriate. It would make no sense to kick repli-antient asses in this ep. I hope that we will get that darn ZED-PM to replace the depleted one.

But I was thinking - wouldn't it be cool (since the replicators have taken atlantis) for us to take their city, you know - the big one. That would be awesome. Oh, and later take back the Atlantis too.

I enjoyed this cliffhanger.

My only nitpick: Level 75 Mage in the expansion pack of World of Warcraft? Any WoW player who's read through the expansion pack information knows that the maximum level of any characters will go only up to level 70.

Yea, thats what i thought. I thought i was going to be replicaters posing as ancients. Not actually be real ancients. This epsisode was so boring until the last 20 mins of it. I thought it kind of sucked that the ancients asked them to leave. But what i did not understand is why they relocated the athosians to another planet. Why couldnt they just leave them there? Also seeing sheppard , rodney,becket,and wier in the sgc most of the time. It felt rather strange seeing them interecting with landry, and sheppard going off worlds and stuff while staying at the sgc...

They raised the shield because the jumper got destroyed and they even fired upon the city knowing the ancients where in there...


This episode was a bit of a drag but overall a good episode the best of season 3 even in my opinion; hope there is loads of action in part two. About not being the ancients I never thought that because I didn't believe the replicators would use such a cheap trick they are to arrogant for it and would just show up in full force without hiding the aproach.

I wonder what the ancients gonna do (if they still are alive) would they share the city? I really hope they gonna share and join the fight against the Ori

btw how did they raise the shield anyways without a zpm? did they replace them (all 3)? Why isn't their anything on how they get made?

This post has been edited by QtombeD: Sep 23rd 2006, 2:09 PM

i really liked this for a midseason cliffhanger. that woolsey line about the ancients creating the wraith was amazing, and so was o'neill's line about how the ancients thought woolsey was annoying. rodney wanted pizza
i also liked the goodbyes. that was so funny when ronon just picks sheppherd up in that manly hug, and it was quite cute when sheppherd and teyla touched heads weir kinda disappointed me with how she dealt with losing atlantis, although it gave carson a good opportunity to be really sweet.
the ancients are snobs, and they deserved to get attacked by those replicators.

aaack how do i wait for march?!

They explained that they were aware that Pegasus had been evacuated, and I would assume that they were also aware that the wraith controlled the entire galaxy. Where else would they go?

I assumed that this was done on the Deadalus before they took them back to Atlantis.



The Ancients were going to let us come back eventually. We were going to leave a liason there, perhaps they could even help us with the Ori.


I suspect that O'neill will forgive them if they save his life, he is the commanding officer of the SGC...


Please use spoiler tags, even in this forum, anything that happens in eps that haven't aired yet are considered spoilers...



This wasn't really a "Season" finale. It is more of a mid-season break.

Well I kinda think it should have been standard procedure wouldnt you? I mean if an enemy vessel was in orbit of youre last remaining city, and you had a fully functional ZedPm it wouldnt be to difficult to click a few buttons to raise the shield just in case the few million years that passed changed their codeing. Plus how were the replicators going to know that Atlantis was back under Lantian control, just take their word?

One thing I do wanna see, but doubt we will see is Atlantis actually going through space. I think it would be cool seeing Atlantis defending itself from the replicator Cities with Drones....but thats just me

Pegasus is a big galaxy...if I was the captain, I'd think we'd have a better shot trying to sneak back in to some backwater Ancient colony or outpost and try to jury-rig the hyperdrive back into working condition. Even if they were already 100,000 years out of Pegasus when it failed, its still a better option IMO than flying 2 million years into the future. Just imagine how well an Australopithecus would get along, for instance, if he were picked up 2 million years ago and dropped off in Long Beach today



Plausible, but they'd need to show, mention, or intimate it somewhere on the show itself or it doesnt count



Sure, but putting all the eggs in one basket was never the SGC modus operandi...why not leave a liaison at Atlantis AND establish a new base of operations in Pegasus? The Lanteans just said they wanted us out of their city, they didnt say the galaxy entirely. Plus, arent we responsible for the trade, humanitarian and diplomatic agreements Weir made? Or are we counting again on the good faith of the Lanteans to keep our bargains for us?



I thought he was head of Homeworld Security? (Secretary of Homeworld Security?) Landry's CO of the SGC and he told Sheppard there'd be hell to pay. Of course, O'Neill is going to pull the strings and get the air cleared for them, but its more a matter of principle that the ends always justify the means when you end up right Or even when you blow up a star system, its still cool, apparently

On a side note, they could have really used some of Lucius' Potion of Popularity when the Lanteans arrived, they might have proved much more....hospitable Imagine if they had given it to Woolsey

Personally, I thought that this was a good episode. I enjoyed seeing how each character had to cope with the loss of what they considered to be their home. I can't wait for the second half of this season to start up!

perhaps without access to a viable stargate to aget em back home, access to jumpers.... and the dadealus which would take 3 weeks one way...

it probably wasnt viable...

the only reason they were in peagasus was for atlantis.. take that away and what reason is there.. spend billions of $$$ to fight an enemy which isnt a threat to earth???

bigger fish to fry in our own galaxy

lanteans take things way to easy.. adn probably the same way they treated these replicators, the same way they treated the wraith... dont bother raising the shields on our ships, the wriath dont dare to hurt us...

maybe tha lanteans didnt want us in there , cause they thought as a primitive species, we would

1) get in their way
2) slow them down by asking questions
3) take them hostage and use them in experiements

but i liked johns explanation. if u came home after 2 million years, and you found someone sitting in your couch, eating your cheetos, and watching you cable tv

I like the bridge concept. Most of the episode was slow, but it was a great setup for the next episode. Whenever we get to see it... Whatever happens, this episode will bring some major changes to the series. I like that idea. If you keep changing things up in the storyline, it'll keep it interesting. I wonder what will happen to the Ancients? It seems like it would be too convenient to keep them around, so I wonder if they'll ascend or just plain die, or if they really are Asurans? Too many questions, too long to wait...

This post has been edited by ancient01: Sep 23rd 2006, 8:30 PM

I agree there are some questions thats a bit odd, why not setup another base or are they affraid of the Wraith? and also the responsiblity with trades and other agreements and people they helped and got help from... a bit odd it just ended in 48 hours.

On the up side, great story and good allies if they have not all been killed by the Acient replicators.

The hole WoW thing, I know little about the game but at least they could have done their homework ;) no Level 75 since the max limit is 60(think its 70 with the expansion ) and Bill should have been ticked on whats your Race, which was replied Mage (which is not a race, that would be Orc, Human etc ;))

On the really good upside, new ZPM, gate thingy to earth in 30 minutes, that midway station, is that going to be populated ?

I think he wasn't even listening by that point ;)

If you had read my entire post and the quote in it you would have seen that what I was saying was an answer to a question on why they didn't raise shields as soon as they detected the ship. Obviously they raised shields after the jumper was destroyed, which is exactly what I said...

I truely enjoyed this episode. At first i thought that the Ancients were Asurans who were trying to reach earth so they could finish off the Ancient refugees who fled Atlantis, man am i glad to be wrong...and yea..i can see where the Ancients were coming from when they evicted the expadition from Atlantis....having gone through something like that....i'd have done the same thing. Was anyone else touched by how pleasent Ronan was when him an Tayla went to see Shepperd in his room? As a World of warcraft player...i laughed my ass off when Weir started talking to that guy about it just to distract him As for the ending....i think it was Oneill will pull some strings an get the team all presidential pardons =p

Amazing intergalactic bridge of 34 stargates P~ .

Brilliant idea from McKay and Sam.

I liked the way McKay was givng the crew a lecture about how brilliant he is .



Like most of you I thought was surprised the ancients were really ancients.

I did read your entire post but after your comment I read it again carefully and it and I realized I have misinterpertated it the first time.. soz

How about a Transcript for those of us who will not get this for some time?

I notice SG1 Transcripts is no longer a Yahoo Group...thats where I used to read all the latest transcripts....

Let me get this straight: John started War and Peace over 2 years ago and he's only read a quarter of it!?

Really cool to see O'Neill in Atlantis though, these cross-over episodes are awesome.

I hope those Ancients get killed off! For being such total A-holes, they can't possibly ascend!

I wish they didnt start talking about WoW. And getting it wrong btw.


I liked the episode. I hate this wait for the next one... :'(

I love the episodes where they crossover sg1 and sga. LOVE IT!

This post has been edited by Iwantseason11: Sep 24th 2006, 7:24 AM