"Persoanlly I could watch Maj. Carter's head talk all day."
Nice quote... snuck up on you.

Jack's reduced schedule was well covered... of course he was unconcious for a while. The way I see it, with the scene when sam was running down the corridor crying, was she crying for both? I think Jack was probobly in some pretty serious trouble... and with the 2nd blow of janet dying...

I really, really didn't like Woosley. I like Robert Picardo's work, and this guy was just irritatingly dark. Perfect fit in the NID mould. Perhaps a little too smart for his own good I think.

After watching the ep, walking down the street I found myself very saddened... close to, but not at the point of crying.

And of course they have been implanting more of the sam/jack thing (hug). Amanda did get the emotions right... looking away, tears coming to her eyes etc... very convincing.

Excellent ep. Best of the season, easy.

Action scenes were done very nicely, I especially liked how you see our forces just completely outmanned with the gliders and such, but making a fight out of it. Good job there.

I, liked most, hated the docu. guy but grew on me at the end. I thought he would be a weiner to the end but I ended up liking him.

I like how Teal'c and Danny did in this ep. Good show of emotions, as they lost the person who has saved their lives for years. Got a bit tired of seeing Carter crying 24/7, though that was my only complaint.

Lastly, I liked the way they portrayed Janet's death, sudden and suprising. One second, you have a guy telling his wife his last words, seconds later you've got staff blasts finishing off the good doctor. Also, the memorial service was appropriate. You can't compare hers with Danny's as Janet was in the military and would have a different service.

As before, excellent ep. ****

Wha? Robert Picardo!! He played his own self in that episode. He is a misrible get in real life, well, when I met him.. So I guess he played it well in that respect.

Good episode. Unusual story for a 2 parter. I hated the camera dude, he seems to get everywhere lately a bit like Robert Picardo

Cliff

I have decided to wait untill Aesir posts his thoughts on the ep cause I useually agree with what he says

Why not post your own thoughts and see if he agrees with you.....?

Anyway, let's reiterate. Best show of the season!

Well normaly Aesir is the first to reply but today he didn't. but my thoghts

Now i have seen it all cut together it flowed differantly to how I thought but it was a great ep. I think the bit that got to me most was not seeing janet die but watching the expressions on the guys who were watching the video faces with Daniel screaming in the background Medic

Well said and couldn't agree more.

I'm still not sure whether the fact that I'd read the spoilers for this one was a good thing or not. <G> On the one hand, it would have been even better as an episode for me - although it was great as it was. But on the other hand, I don't think I could have taken the tension of not knowing who had died - it would have killed me, I think. Kudos to all those who were brave enough to do so!

But, yes, it's a tad unfair to blame the producers. They don't write episodes to cater to those who read spoilers but for those who come to the episode fresh and they haven't a hope in hell of pleasing those who have read spoilers and then expect to be surprised, no matter what they do with an episode. Damned if they do....

Albion

This post has been edited by Albion: Feb 11th 2004, 5:16 AM

Fantastic ep.

My favourite of the season by far 10/10.
I thought they balanced the ep just right, however i'm not particularly fond of the pretend it was Jack who died thing as i think it was unlikely many people believed it as Jack is too important to be killed off here.

I am a bit annoyed i read all the spoilers as it took away from the impact of Janet's death, a great character i'll miss her .

What can i say but wow. Hell of an episode. Definitely up there with 'Meridian' in my opinion. I liked the bit at the end where they showed some of the documentary.

i noticed that after Daniel told that director to use the tape of Janet's death, he looked up, almost as if she had ascended. i may have been reading to much into this, after all it was the room where Daniel ascended.

I also thought that this could be the ep where it basically the beginning of the end for Hammond. im not going to put spoilers in, but with all the threads about what role he takes in 'The Lost City' episodes, it seems very possible that his situation in this ep leads to something.

Ramuunds thoughts on the episode:

The previous episode and 1st parter to this one was very dissapointing and alot was resting on this episode to bring back the.....thing... that brought me too love sg1 in the first place- which has somewhat been lacking in some of the season seven episodes. Did it do that?

Hell yeah!

This is the best of season seven so far! *round of applause for them getting there acts together*. The way that didn't overload with Janet, in a way many other shows would of, was refreshing and very welcomed. I knew, due to reading spoilers last year, that it wasn't going to be O'Neill however the story had us wondering what had exactly happened to him...and a good way to fit his reduced screen time into the story!

To all those who complain about lack of suspense? Shut up your damm irritating whines and do the clever thing and- Stop reading the damm spoilers!
You have your self to blame and sound like idiots..........and i would like to however apologise to Raxor, who had not read the spoilers, but i accidently blurted it out whilst chatting- I am soo sorry...but still think you have the wrong end of the stick in your post.

The action was just enough and i like the silence as Jack got shot but i wasn't to keen on the slurred/slowed voices....just pure slow motion would of done it for me with out sounding like you have just had one to many to drink and trying to navigate the stairs! hahaha

The N.I.D agent, as said by Mike, was the perfect lightning rod for all are pent up anger and emotions. At one point i just wanted to strangle him!

The reporter, in the first part, was irritating but in the second i really felt for him but did, slighty, cringe at that little speech that he did- I didn't know if it was an act to get them to turn the camera on or to actually show that he cared to show the real truth. And what guts did he have to try and ring the president from the RED PHONE!

The lack of Jack was not so evident in this episode, unlike his crap excuses in others, and he didn't have to do alot of acting in this one but for what he did, especially the last few moments, i will give him the thumbs up!

Teal'c, whilst saying so little, said so much. His facial expressions were more subtle and just that showed that he had felt the loss of Janet. A brilliant few seconds of work there!

Daniel was one of the best performances of the night and the part where he is in the infirmary was really good as he pondered over past memories. The scene between him and the reporter was brilliant and got me going over that photographer.....Yes, the hard nosed cow of a british stone hearted b**ch will admit, i actually gushed like niagra falls on viagra! ....take me too the Sahara desert...i'll turn into a sea watching that episode!

I can see that effects of the sgc are starting to get to are sam and i think it is really good and i hope that it continues...allthough i suggest that we get her a pack of Kleenex..just in case Flood warning Well done Ms Tapping.....and should you need another job after Stargate- I have a few plants that could do with a regular irrigation system...pays well!

The best bit however of the show was the scene between Hammond and the reporter....after fading from the funeral to the office....you could see how it really 'got' hammond and do like that he didn't show, to much, emotion...just like a real general who has to keep things running and moving on.....I now know why i am going to miss the big guy!


If you haven't guessed by what i have written- then i LOVE this episode and i will give it a big 10/10..the best- keep it up guys and you never know..bring on the awards!

Stargate is back and better then ever!

i think its one of these episodes that grows on you. i used to hate red sky but i like it a lot more now. and i think it will happen with this one. but its always nice to have nid trying to screw things up again!

i think it was a brilliant epiosode but i think they shud have had an infirmary scene with janet so we could see her die ( that sounds a bit mean doesnt it!)rather than just having her shot by the jaffa.
it would have been better if they showed that and not cut out the machine going beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep

other than that it was brill!
especially the AT's acting

Glad you tackled it, I was thinking oh here we go again, there's always one of those sort of people. And I agree with ya thumbs up!

Ahhhh but remember, we only saw her get shot and we didn't officially witness the passing. This may have been done for a reason. In the world of television and movies when you don't see an officially dead body, it leaves room for the writers to write in a character resurrection. I've seen it too many times on other shows and Stargate is such a show where resurrection has happen either through technology or circumstance.

Strange things happen in the Stargate universe.

I pretty much cried from the point you saw Daniles flashbakc coz i knew she was gonna die!! hell my Dad even knew because the TV magazine had a picture of Fraisier and said how she embarked on a perlious mission so it was kinda obvious!!

This was a very touching episode even though we knew Jack wouldn't die we didn't know too what extent he was injured!!

I thought the action or battle scene was very well done, as you had to get peoples feeling in there in the time given plus we knew there was many casulaties without having to see all of them die!!

Woolsey was there to lead to The Lost City i thought that was pretty evident especialy when he questioned Hammonds decisions!!

The memorial scene was touching and probably when i creid the worst when she stared reading the names and seeing all those peoples faces was very touching and made into a real team episode!!

One question though is Cassie now living with Sam coz Sam said she had to get back to her so i'm guessing she was at her house!?

Plus even though it was subtle, the shippy moment was there and it was exactly what people have been looking for since Grace the "i'll be there for you" moment and i think that classed as one of them.

Nice episode 9/10 i'm reserving my 10 for later on

I thought the episode was done well. I agree with Mike on his point that the door is open to her possibly being back on the show. I am wondering if the reason behind her being killed off the show has anything to do with her missing most of this season. Several times this year I have noticed that her name was mentioned but she was not in episodes. Does anyone know if this was by her own choice or if they decided to write out her character?

The only part of this I thought was worth watching was the 2 minutes of video Daniel filmed. The rest of the episode was a mess... we start off with the point of view of Mr. Bregman, then it switches off to the POV of SG1, then back to Bregman... all just to setup a poorly executed bait-and-switch. I mean unless you hit your head after the last episode it's pretty hard not to notice that Jack took a blast right where they showed us the new armor was located in the last episode. I think there may have been a few 2-year-olds fooled, but I doubt anyone with higher brain functions fell for it. I won't care so much if they hadn't spent most of the episode setting it up. The cry fest at the end didn't really do it for me either, if I wanted to watch crap like that I'd turn on the Lifetime Movie Network.

I did almost die from shock when Chris Judge had 2 lines in a row. I think his only line in part 1 was "indeed" (which is just makes me cringe at this point). Line for line I think CJ is the highest paid actor on television.

Well at the very least this episode makes part 1 look a whole lot better, way to lower the bar. I think if you took the best parts from both episodes, you'd have one decent episode. You can chuck out all the speeches that Bregman had about media, chuck out trying to fool the audience and chuck out some of the precrying crying before the very last scene and I think it would be a lot better.

When I posted my original thoughts I said that I thought that the way the interview faded out was very badly done, and lots of people slated me for it. I have to now change my opinion of this, not because of what others have said but because after watching it again it dawned on me that there was a subtle point to it. That only goes to make the ep. slightly better. It was still terrible and still gets 4/10.

I keep telling myself that it is just a show but it doesn't help

I thought that telling my opinions before I saw the entire episode would be better since I dont really want to see the last 8 minutes. (Its paused at 32 minutes here)

Great episode - 10/10

And...its really really sad. I didn't hate the reporter guy before so his speeches didn't make me regret that I hated him or anything.

Great episode - (I should stop those tears dammnit )

And on a side note - the planet is named P3X 666. Ring a bell???

Wow, that is fascinating, when do we learn that?

When the Colonel reads the report to the film guy, he said Fraisier dies, and the other 2 survived. Are the 3 the only casualties? We hear several times stuff like, "we can't hold this position", and yet the only person to die is a doctor? The other reason I doubt that they are all that died is the fact that the NID considers it a failed operation, but we saved about 6 people. Is there any other evidence for either possibility?

Well I've finally managed to get round to posting about the episode. I would have done so earlier, but I was a little emotional.

This episode was amazing. I really can't fault it at all. The acting of AT was phenominal, and had me crying before I could stop myself. I never cry at programs, no matter how sad they are, but when Sam was crying then I was unable to control it.

Daniel's way of handling it was good, the sitting in the corner reflecting on things, and possibly hinting at an ascension. I suppose we have to wait and see on that though.

Teal'c wasn't in this one much, but when he was it was kinda poignant. He was determined not to be made a scapegoat during the investigation, and then wrote a very touching eulogy for the memorial. So unlike the Teal'c we have known in similar situations, a very nice change of character.

I liked the way we started off disliking the reporter at the beginning, but after he sat with Hammond and showed the documentary, we all felt different about him. It was like he was determined that the sacrifice and suffering shouldn't go unnoticed.

Please excuse me while I go and sort out the tears that are starting again just thinking about it.

I dont remember them referring to the planet in 717 so I may be stupid in mentioning that.

But if u werent sarcasm its when Daniel slams down the tape when giving it to Bregman.

some of you seem to think that she might come back

i dont think thats is gonna happen
(we can hope tho)

to me it was the best episode of seson seven yet, the way they played with your emoions was clever (moving from a very sad and emotional scene to one with the technician, brilliant piece of acting that made me feel guilty for laughing when there was so much else going on it really added to the whole story, the way everything was set out was brilliant, the writing brilliant, the acting brilliant, the action brilliant (lots of brilliants)
the ceremony for Janet was very moving especially carter naming all the lives janet had saved but the best bit for me was the ending, it totally finished off the story perfectly 11/10 for me, i could watch it over and over again, (p.s loved the hug !!!)