I don't think she will come back either

But we got to remember, producers/crew make the episode in such a way the way it is, for a reason, they never do anything without a reason

The battle scene was brilliant. That Jaffa that hides in the trees is gonna be in it more.

Wish Janets death had been on screen. Maybe in slo-mo. Very emotional. Worthwhile episode to me.

i think they didnt want to concentrate to much on jante becuase it was supposed to be about all the people who have died in the service of the airforce, hence the video at the end of the memorial service with the teams in it

I'm too lazy too put in quotes so I will just refer to what other people have said. Someone said that not seeing Frasier's dead body left the door open for her to return. While, I think this is unlikely it got me thinking and it did seem strange that we didn't see her body. If you watch the entire episode it is noticeable that the only person who ever calls her dead is Mr. Woolsey (Bob Picardo's guy). Although it is implied that she is dead it is never explicitly said. The Colonel says that she "didn't make it" and Sam says that she "gave her life". This doesn't, in my opinion, leave the door open for her to come back...human. It does however give the writers a way to let her come back as an ascended being.

This is what I thought as her death doesn't seem as clear cut as it should. Or perhaps I am reading too much into something that has little meaning. Either way, it will be interesting to see.

I just watched it...there's a big gaping hole where Janet used to be now. the memorial service was so sad!!! Great episode.

ok 9/10 ... well she dont do much Just like that guy said small People . so i will not miss her but call the babe Janet COME ON GIVE ME A BREAK .great Eps

First, let me just say that I am one of 'those people' who read spoilers...I'm a story junkie, I admit it. I like to know stuff, especially about this show.

I believe that this two parter was not just about SG1, but about the people at the SGC in general and the role of the media in how it portrays the military during combat. It also showed how SG1 and Hammond deal with the loss in their own, individual way.

Having said that, I will admit that the episode, technically speaking, was well executed overall on all fronts. Everyone had a legitimate point of view, even Emmett when he was at his most annoying to the SGC people. Say what you want, but he was honest and had integrity about what he was doing.

However...

this does not mean I liked it as much as some people, or agreed with the angle of the story. Again, this is my opinion, your results may vary under similiar driving conditions.

I admit that I like watching the teams in combat. Go ahead, sue me, but the point is that they had all this talk about how tough it is for these people to do their jobs, and then showed, what...five minutes of it? Like Emmett said, talking is one thing, action is another. I wanted to see these people in action, see them trying to fend off the ambush and make it out. I wanted to root for the underdog SG teams who were outnumbered and see what makes their job so damn hard...including Fraiser's, who really deserved more footage than what she got. Show don't tell.

Again, the show chose not to go that route, and that's fine. I'm just a fan after all, so there ya go.

This post has been edited by mithwriter: Feb 11th 2004, 5:28 PM

I think they should have ended that documentary of Emmet's with a quote from Janet when she was being interviewed in the infirmary;

"The reason why we all manage to persevere is coz we feel we're on the brink of understanding so much more, and not just about medicine, about who we are, where we came from, what THE FUTURE has in store and how we fit into the grand scheme of things..."

The mentioned that Frasier was wearing the armor... didn't work enough for her.

I agree, I thought the whole point of trying to imply that Jack was dead instead of Janet didn't do justice to Janet. She will be greatly missed .

I did like the part of Jack and Sam hugging, and not because it could have been taken as a ship scene; it just seemed very sincere. Did anyone notice if Cassie was at the memorial? I didn't see her and it would have been wrong for her not to be there- after all, she does know about the stargate .

I also thought the scene of Daniel sitting in Dark was good. I know how he feels- every time I've lost someone, I've wanted to find a dark corner to sit in.

Overall, the episode was still a little forced, but good.

It won't be the same without Janet.

I downloaded this ep last night (Tuesday) and watched it tonight (Wed)... Ok, I'll admit, I do read the spoilers.. but still.. I have to say....



Oh... My... God!!!!.. I've never cried so HARD watching a TV show! Even though I knew Janet was going to die, I *still* cried at the news. Geesh! I'm getting soft in my old age..

For those who didn't like the way the action was shot... that it was unfocused or disjointed... I hate to say this, but real-life action ISN'T focused. That one fight scene felt REAL. I can't wait for the DVD's to come out. I wanna hear it in surround sound. And for those who have nit-picked about using the P-90 sounds for all the other weapons... So? It's what they have on hand in the sound room. I could understand the upset if they were using a 44mag's sound for a .22... or vice-versa.. But please.. isn't that being a bit.. well.. nit-picky?

I have to say... this is one of the only TV shows that I have *ever* watched that has gotten a 10/10 from me.

No, honeybl, the P90 and MP5 have very distinctive sounds; they ought to get it right. Anyways, I thought this episode was very good, but probably not one that I'll watch again anytime soon; I loved Janet too much. The fight scene was way too short, and didn't show their escape through the gate. I know its supposed to be about emotions, not action, but often battle can be the most emotional thing. (ROTK). My one major disappointment was not seeing Cassandra. I do hope we see her in the future. overall 8/10. now I'm gonna go cry some more...

just saw it & loved it 10/10 from, quite possibly my favourite episode EVER!!, yer it had everything drama, emotion, action (ohhh yer i love those 'saving private ryan' style fire fights), it was keeping the sg1 style while being different & so damn entertaining, i was so thrilled with this ep straight after watching it i pressed stop & watched it again, i'm inclined to agree with them when they say heroes is the best show they have ever made. Damn i love sg1 ROCK ON!!!

i dont like that syle of directing. i never liked saving provate ryan much
everything else was fine

yet annother thing to add that stargate has ripped off
last episode it was starwars

To the poster wondering if it was the producers' decision or Teryl's to leave...sorry can't remember your name and no time to go back and pull the quote:

I did read an interview with AT a couple of weeks back where she said she had a conversation with someone involved at high level with this episode (can't remember who it was) who was very upset. Said they'd written out Janet because they'd thought this would be the finale of the very last season and it would be a dramatic way to end the show. But they felt guilty since all that had changed and there was now a S8. AT said she told him that wasn't a problem - just change the script and have Janet survive at the end.

That was all there was, so no idea why they didn't take that route if they were feeling so bad about the decision and felt it was a mistake. Only thing I can think of is that by that point Teryl was actively looking around for another job and perhaps found something else to work on. Or that she wasn't that bothered about leaving anyway and felt the need to move on herself. But that's just speculation on my part.

BTW, have to vehemently disagree that this would have been a good move for the last ever episode and fervently hope they get out of that particular mind frame! When the show ends I want to know that the characters I've followed for 8 years and have grown attached to are out there happy and alive. I want a Voyager happy ending not a DS9 up in the air, what the %?$"?$"$? was that? <g>


Albion

If this had been the last season it would have been an appropraite place to kill of a main character coz only a few more eps left but shouldn't be in last ep as takes focus away from the ending etc. I reckon they're going to kill someone else off in series 8 too tho

Ok, having done some target shooting in the past, I do know that certain guns do have a particular sound - i.e. my reference to a .44 mag and a .22. However, since I (and probably many others on this site) have never fired nor been witness to a "live" firing of both a P90 and an MP5, I don't believe that using one's sound for another makes it any less "right" or more "wrong". Most of the sounds captured during action scenes are discarded as being "not life-like" enough (read - not loud enough) during the production process anyway. More processed "stock" or "canned" sound is overlayed on top of the footage as it is richer and easier to control. And if that stock sound happens to be a P90 instead of an MP5, who (except for people who have actually either fired both or been witness to the firing of both weapons) is really going to notice? Even the sounds explosions make are tossed out for "canned" explosive sounds. If you ever get the chance, talk to someone in movie or TV post-production (I have... a good friend of mine worked on "Pirates of the Caribbean") and they will explain it to you in more detail why canned sounds are used.

Oh yeah, with you there, with the happy Voyager ending and not the boring crap DS9 ending, in fact as long we see the show end happy, like we see General O'Neill give the orders for the next mission for SG-1 and we see SG-1 go through the gate one more time oh or maybe have O'Neill join with SG-1 for old times sake and they go through the stargate and we get a camera shot of them walking towards the gate as we see their smiles and from the control room view once again looking to the stargate and they go through it and the show ends - just beautiful

This post has been edited by Carter-Hot: Feb 12th 2004, 3:10 PM

snif snif... even tho it was a sad episode it was a good one.

I think it was sad for the documentery guy, that he didn't get to see the stargate in action or go to another planet with a sg team.

Dont need to repeat what everyone else have said, I like it.

8?/10

DS9 ending > Voyagers ending

I liked this episode, very well written. The dichotomy of Bregman and Woosey (sounds like some name of a songwriting duo) being outsiders seeking some kind of truth about what was going on. I think the Bregman character was especially well-written cause there was never a point where I thought they were trying to make Bregman an unlikeable character; contrasted with the slimy Woosey's interrogations, wild accusations, and threats of imprisonment, he was tomato target the first word he spoke.

Also I know some people are questioning why they teased O'neill getting hurt and not revealing it was Frazier until later on; like it was some cheap story telling device to increase suspense I agree, but I think that was done because the story was supposed to be told from the perspective of the journalist team making the piece on the SGC; so we found out as soon as they did. Should they have mixed that perspective with the usual perspective or instead went full-on and never showed the team at the planet in the first half and the battle afterwards? Anyone's guess. I thought it worked out well though.

Also keep in mind what kind of impact it would been had you not known that Frasier was going to die; I do not think it would have been that obvious then.

I think more Frasier in the episode would have been good though.

I have a question I'd like someone to clear up...I had to trash my d/l copy because of problems, but there was something I thought of after the fact....

When Siler does his test of the ceramic armor (away from the face, big guy ) it appeared to protect him 100% from a staff weapon at point blank range. Okay, granted he looked like a flaming shishkabob for a few moments....

The question I have is this...did O'Neill have this in his vest as well? Or Fraiser? There was a comment by O'Neill in that great J/S scene in the infirmary where he said something like "It didn't help Fraiser, did it?" I couldn't tell from my one viewing if that meant they wore it and didn't work, or if it didn't work because it hadn't been approved for use in the field so no one had it.

So here's the thing. If memory serves I think the shot at Fraiser came from an unprotected side, so I could see her taking the hit...but what about O'Neill?

Also, I'd like to know what people's opinion was of the way the interviews were done. I've seen other shows where the main characters are being videotaped/filmed by another party, and the audience is shown the interviews almost exclusively through the video camera's POV, yet it seemed to be used very little in this case, only in bits and pieces. In the majority of the scenes, the coverage was 'normal', if you know what I mean. Do people think it should've been more video footage? Less?...Not at all?

Sam: we're lucky that staff blast hit you where it did, that new vest insert works well
Jack: didn't help Fraiser much

So, yes, they were both wearing them.

I personally don't like the real camera view much, you don't see the interviewer.
For most of the NID interviews, the interviewed person was concentrating on the NID guy, and not the camera, and it would have looked bad.
The camera view in other instances is too close to the action, and you miss a lot.

After seeing this eposide I wrote a letter the the Stargate people and I thought I should share it will all of you.....


Dear Stargate Crew and Cast,
After seeing the newest episodes of Stargate I new it was time for me to write you guys a letter which I have wanted to do for a while but just haven?t had the time. First of all let me say how much I love the show, it is always the highlight of my day to watch any Stargate episode, old or new. As I watched the episode entitled Heroes Part 1, I thought it was, to be honest, a less than mediocre show, sorry but that?s how I fell. While I was waiting for the second episode to air I had a feeling that; if it was anything like the first; I wasn?t gonna like it very much either. Let me just say right off the bat that I think this was one on of the most heartfelt pieces of entertainment that I have ever seen before; television or movie. As I watched the episode unfold I found my mind racing trying to figure out who had been killed. Things that I had read and what I had seen of the episode preceding flooded my mind with thoughts. As I watched I thought to myself ?Sam and Daniel are being questioned; Rick had signed on for another season, okay Teal?c being questioned so it?s not him.? Then my mind concluded an unwanted answer and I whispered ?not Janet.? As the scene when Daniel handed over the tape finished and I watched it being played I just kept thinking about that poor woman who?s gonna lose her husband. And then it just hit me, I knew, and my eyes began to tier up. Then as the airman said that she had been killed I yelled ?Oh my god!! No! No! No! No!? I was in complete shock that she was killed; also as they started the memorial service I was saying ?please tell me she ascended because that is the only thing that will make this okay right now.? It was then that I began balling and I did not stop till long after the episode was over; which was after I finished writing this letter.
Being a person with family that was in the service and one in the service now, this episode expressed so much pride in what our armed service men and women do for us each day. I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for writing this episode Mr. Cooper and to the cast and crew for making such an impact full episode. It seems that this chapter has gotten back to what the original idea of the franchise was about, human nature and the difficulties of living life. While it would cause me to fall into depression to see an episode like this one every week, I sincerely hope that you will do more heartfelt ones like this, not that I?m saying all the other episodes are bad (the opposite actually) they are very good. Please know that you will always have fans that love and adore you, not just the actors that we see everyday; I mean the guest stars, the extras, the writers, directors, crew, and the production team. We love you all for giving us such a wonderful show that we will watch, enjoy, and love for years to come. Again thank you.

A loving Stargate fan always,
Jillian Mummey
Chillicothe, OH


P.S. Put bloopers on the DVD sets!