I remember in an old interview(I think it's from the season 3 DVDs) RDA mentioned that part of Stargate was its intelligence. He said that he thought it was an insult to the fans to try and dumb it down. Now, that's kinda what they're doing. They're changing SG-1 from a nice, unique show into a carbon copy of all the s*** that's out there.

Atlantis will hopefully last for 3 seasons...hopefully...

EDIT: Crap removed, sorry 'bout that!

This post has been edited by aliaras: Sep 11th 2004, 10:52 PM

We haven't much of the Wraith so far. We don't even know any Leaders of the Wraith. In SG1, in the first few minutes of 1st episode, there was Apophis. We find out later that he was one of many gods (false gods). Th Wraith must have a leader or several leaders. I'm not sure where this show is going. Hope we will find more later.

Im sorry, Aliaras, was that last post of yours, like, saying you don't like the new members of this forum or are you saying that because you miss the old days when this board just had all you older members and you all knew each other?


Stargate Atlantis has potential and with that comes decisions...whether the show makes big bounds or little bounds, do they explore or do they jsut stay where they are? New fans join watching stargate anytime during a season and if they join in with fandom because they watch Stargate Atlantis, what is so wrong with that?
They are both together and remember we wouldn't have Stargate if it wasn't for the movie.

back on the episode, Mist Alien Hammond said that Sheppard was the only one who seemed to be able to manipulate his fantasy reality. Assuming this is from the gene, why couldn't McKay?

Cab

I'm sorry, that came out wrong. I'm really really sorry if I pissed anyone off...

I didn't mean either of the things you said, I need to edit my post. Again, I'm really really sorry...

no sweat Aliaris, there's more insulting things on this forum...I didn't get insulted by what you said, more confused in what you meant.

This ep would have been better if that fog spit out Nick Ballard and said in a booming voice, "We are the giant aliens from Crystal Skull"... in my opinion, anyway.

though...


McKay+boxers=adorable!


It's things like McKay and Sheppard that is building the fanbase of women, *nodsnods* It sucks. And I know this and I am being sucked in as well.

This episode was VERY good. In fact, in my opinion, it was better than any of the s8 sg1 eps except for maybe Zero Hour and New Order. There was a good plot, good science, McKay's humour and good CGI.

The only thing that bugged me: They showed Weir, Sheppard, Teyla and McKay, but what about Ford? Is he really needed on the series?

That did kinda suck they didnt put just a teensy weensy more about Ford. Maybe hell get more focus in upcoming episodes.

Also, why would those aliens allow him to leave the base and search for Sheppard if they were trying to keep them separated like Mckay and Weir, especially after he found out he was supposedly being transfered to Antartica? I think they should have monitored him more closely because of that and been cautious of him going AWOL.

The "real" Ford wasn't at Sheppard's place because that place didn't exist. The only "real" people there were Sheppard and Teyla. Just like the "real" Weir and McKay never interacted. They each were responding to a frabricated person. Only when alien Hammond brings them all together do they share the same false reality. Which is why there are so many questions about what was going on in Ford's mind. All we saw was the scene about his transfer. Apparently there's not much going on between his ears.

I think so too, the series is overall improving. Where's the problem? Home = Gamekeeper? I don't see it. Similarities are to be expected because the topics are close, but it didn't feel like a rip-off to me. And if it was, it was fresh and well done.

This post has been edited by ted_simple: Sep 12th 2004, 3:23 PM

think about it, the aliens felt bad and saw his emotion when he received the news about transferring and decided to let him go to Sheppard to talk.

I never said Weir and Mckay interacted, I said they were separated.

NO really? Wow, thanks for the insight!

I concur. I miss the Giant Aliens and Nick.

As for the fanbase thing....darn it to hell! I'm a slave to my hormones who want nothing more than to ogle Rodney. It defies logic. My higher brain functions are telling me I don't like this show, but my baser brain functions are like, "Rodney. Hot. Me see Rodney in undershorts. Me drool." But I think the episode sucked. But I watch for McKay. But I don't like it! But McKay is awesome! AAARRGGHH!

*brain explodes*

1969...Forgive me for using the Weir/McKay scenario that you clearly did understand to try to explain the same exact scenario between Ford/Sheppard which you didn't.

Hey, I didnt say it was set in stone, it could have been a possibility. I think your wrong and it still could have been the real Ford.

What made this show for me was seeing Don Davis once again!

The one thing that bothered me was that they did see Hammond, and yet when they all left, Jack was in command. None of them even questioned that?

I did notice that while Atlantis was a home episode, SG did have gate travel. I think they actually have just so much money for special effects to be used between both shows. They cannot do something for both shows at the same time. So it's feast or famine.

Like everyone else, why is Lt. Ford even on the show?

I guess my opinions are differing than the most lately... I didn't like 809 (most did) and I thought 109 was pretty good, as I read that most thought it was horrible. I thought the idea, even if we DID figure it out, it was still interesting seeing the characters figuring it out. I liked it a lot... I likd the acting, I LOVED seeing Hammond again! and McKay in his boxers was great... lol.

Oh well, just my opinion.

Well maybe its the "imperfections" or maybe he changed that encounter with the woman at his front door a bit?

As for the episode itself though, I thought this was an okay ep, not that great but not horrible either.

First off, let me say that as someone who no longer reads spoilers, I think the dingbats at SciFi who put together the previews deserve to be strapped to a chair and made to listen William Shatner's version of "Mr. Tamborine Man" until their ears bleed.

Last year they tried to tease us with O'Neill possibly dying in Heros when everyone knew damn well he wasn't going anywhere. So far this year they ruined the major plot twist of Home by tossing in that great clip of McKay yelling "None of this is real!"

thanks guys...really.

From the moment I turned on this ep to the end, I knew that all the home stuff wasn't real, so then the only thing left was to ponder one question...

What was causing the illusion?
Answer: the misty aliens. Very cool, btw.

Also, I've noticed some Gamekeeper references in other posts, but the one I thought about after this was over was Watergate, when the aliens were actually water...sort of a variation on a them, yes?

The other thing I kept my eye on were the Atlantis crew, and I couldn't help ponder the following:

• Is Weir truly incapable of cracking a smile? I only ask because if I went home after being away in a distant galaxy and found Narim/Phillip waiting for me, you're damn right I'd have a big grin on my face.
• Shouldn't the first words after seeing Hammond in charge instead of O'Neill be something like "Where's General O'Neill?"
• McKay didn't ask where Carter was? Oh, and if the aliens are able to read their minds, wouldn't they know from reading McKay's mind what both good and bad test results of a zpm should look like and be able to manipulate them accordingly instead of it being..what was the tehcnical term...gobblygook?
• If Teyla was sharing in Sheppards delusion, and he was in the car..how would she know what a shopping mall looks like? Or better yet, it would've been cool if her version of the mall looked like an more extravegent version of places her people have gone to trade.
• Very nice use of the Outer Limits. Not only did BW work on the show, but it poked fun at McKay's predicament
  "Do not attemt to adjust your set. We control the horizontal and the vertical..."
• Really liked the twist in Sheppard house with the two dead guys. The fact that he didn't let on to either another character or the audience was well done. Also intrigued by the fact that he could actually manipulate his 'reality'
• The Weir/McKay switch in the science lab was a bit confusing at first, and I don't know if that was intentional or not.

Overall, I thought it was well done, but I'm still waiting for a truly great episode. None so far....

Why didn't we see Teyla in memories of her own life rather than on a shopping spree with Sheppard?

Poor Ford seems to be heading in the direction of Ensign Travis Mayweather-blending in with the scenery. Pity.

McKay seems to overwhelm the rest of the cast and I wonder if this was intentional on the part of the PTB. Weir comes across as simply boring; Sheppard as an "O'Neill-wannabe"; while Teyla has lost any character she had to begin (aaarh I ended that sentence with a preposition!). We would have learned more about her if she hadn't been shopping with Sheppard-unless of course this was just Sheppard shaping his 'dream' in order to see her legs and dress in tight clothes.

I thrive on character with a great sci-fi story background. McKay's over-the-top dominance of the show (funny and cute though he is) is not enough to carry me through more than one season.

Yes, I had as seen the episode several years ago when I watched "The Gatekeeper."

Anyone else think that the writers and producers have simply spread themselves too thin in their haste to expand the franchise, over-commericalize the "Stargate Universe" (computer games etc.), and make as much money as possible before the Gate shuts down?

This post has been edited by seymour: Sep 13th 2004, 12:29 AM

As "General Hammond" explained, Teyla has never been to Earth so she had no memories of Earth and they just paired her with Shepard. I guess they could have come up with some way to get her to continue her own life. My guess is that it was easier to create Earth from 4 minds and throw her in then creating her own separate illusion from only her mind.


I agree about this episode being a combo of Gamekeeper and Watergate.

Best quote: "It's like looking through a microscope at a cell culture and seeing a thousand dancing hamsters."

I think they had problems to get the details right. McKay is especially sensitive when it comes to science, so he would notice discrepancies. Possibly it's not enough that he knows what he wants to see, but the aliens have to interpret his memories to create an illusion from it. I suspect the "fabrication" wasn't a direct feedback between McKay's expectations and what he got to see.

He wasn't in the car all the time, I suppose. And when he left before she did, the aliens could still access his memories to provide an accurate illusion for Teyla.
And it was very clever to pair Teyla with Sheppard, after all she was the only one who didn't find out it was an illusion because she couldn't compare it with the real world.

This post has been edited by ted_simple: Sep 13th 2004, 3:12 AM

Ok here?s what i don?t get, When they go trough the gate (illusional one) they find General Hammond in SG command....Ok i know Gen Hammond is still active duty, and they have like 2-3 other sg bases around the USA, but why wasn?t anyone of the Atlantis crew confused??? Like where is General O`Neill? The real SG General?

Sure they saw illusions, but they belived them at present time, still Sheppard knew his friends were killed back in Gulf war yet he don?t remember General O?neill????

Hope some of ya guys can give a good solution to this

Sheppard at the party, whil his saying " Now tell me what the hell is going on", the way he delivered that line made my skin crawl, sooooooooooo cheeeesy. I have nothing agianst him personally, but i think he needs to be a better actor, some lines he delivers are just to cheesy, kinda like all Orlando Bloom movies (well ok he was good in the LOTR trilogy, but his latest movie are all the same)

maybe their memories were changed??
like their perception of what happened when...maybe they still believed that General Hammond was in charge