Can anyone else say gamekeeper.

I suppose it was alright, but i was a little like OMG, Gamekeepr.

I liked the fact that we got to see Hammond again. I loved him.

I thought it was quite a good episode,was a little confused as to how they intended to come back if it were the real Earth or anywhere else outside the Pegasus Galaxy for that matter but it all made sense as the story unfolded.

I also agree it was surprising they didn't question the fact that General Hammond was in charge of the SGC,and I'm certain when they were in conference at Atlantis about sending a radio signal to Earth,Dr Weir said something like 'we should at least inform General Hammond and the rest of the SGC about our progress' so I think it was just a bloopered oversight during production.

Another question that comes to mind,it was suggested that perhaps the Asgard could ferry them back to Atlantis,when they were told the Prometheus had been damaged in battle,I would have thought the SGC would have approached the Asgard before now and asked them to 'charter' one of their ships to check their fate,afterall the Asgard can travel between their own Galaxy and ours in a short space of time and owe us a favour or two.

Hopefully some sort of radio contact.if nothing else,using a Tollan Long Range Communicator or similar will be possible in a future episode.

Oh,and McKay would have to be the funniest character I've seen in a TV Show for a while,the scene where he checks his answering machine and receives no messages after several months and mumbling something about a possible power surge as justification for this was bloody funny.

when he checked his answering machine was cool...
and the way that weir thought shep. was back on atlantis and shepperd thought weir was back in atlantis that was sooo cute

the only thing that really bothered me was that weirs husband was one of the tollans, i mean come on.. i just hate when they use old characters, thats lame..
otherwise it was a good ep

Noticed how this episode explained why the Altantis gate was the only one able to dial out of the Pegasus Galaxy?
That came from the fact that Dr Mackay stated the offworld DHDs were all technically the same, except the Atlantis DHD due to it's control crystal.
So here it is folks, the Altantis DHD control crystal is what enables the gate to use the 8th chevron. Seems that the Ancients built the DHDs so that the Pegasus beings stay in Pegasus.

There is the Number 1 reason/explanation as to why Atlantis doesn't use the offworld style DHD. They wish to be the only ones to gate "Home" -> Earth.

We may still be able to assume that the DHDs in our galaxy are built similarly. It conforms with our ability to dial other galaxies as we have the dialing computer. But since control crystals are simply programmed to limit what the DHD can do, they can be reprogrammed as we have seen in "Avenger 2.0". Since Baal figured this out, I'm sure that other Goa'uld also know this as they use control crystals in their systems.

However perhaps only Anubis and Ra knew or at least came across information regarding Atlantis. Ra was clueless but Anubis ascended so got closer to finding it, yet the fact that we found Atlantis as is, proves that Anubis nor any other Goa'uld connected outside our Galaxy as there are no Goa'uld there. To do that they also need the address, which we so far only know of 2, Pegasus and Ida/Othalla (keeps changing names). The Goa'uld could've run through all the permutations if they wished, but if they didn't know that the power requirements were tremendous they will not have made a connection to the correct address, dismissing it as a failed permutation and moved on to the next sequence provided that they are using a reprogrammed control crystal enabling the use of the 8th chevron.

One little question just to be sure.

Is it the big giants aliens from crystal skull or ascended acients we are dealing with in this episode?

From what I remember the big giants aliens was not from the pegasus galaxy.

Neither nor. The giant aliens had to shift humans into their reality before they could speak to us, and it didn't appear as if they could tap into our minds to communicate. Ascended ancients won't be harmed by the activation of the stargate, and don't look like mist.

You know, I thought this was a really good episode. I would have called it outstanding were it not for the fact that this was a variation on the story, Watergate. This episode just reinforces my "love" of Rodney McKay. His character is just so wonderfully obnoxious. You just can't help but like the guy. He's trying sooo hard to be liked. I loved his "I'm with genius" T-shirt with the arrow pointing up. He takes pompous to a shiney new level.

but, I have to admit, I had a clue there was a problem when I saw Major Sheppard's apartment. It was just way too luxurious for him to be able to afford on a humble major's salary. I mean, I'd love an apartment like that !

and this is funny, but that's exactly how I pictured Rodney's apartment. No new messages on his machine. clothes and books strewn all over the place, everything in general disarray. it was quintessential Rodney. I even loved that he picked up a bag of chips that must have been stale after months of not being at his apartment.

it was so great to see General Hammond. I really miss him on Stargate. it was a comfort to see him. and I liked his scene with Sheppard. they work pretty well together.

now, with regards to the "blooper" involving General Hammond being in charge of the SGC. Actually, I don't think it was a mistake. on the contrary, when Weir and company left for Atlantis, General Hammond was still in charge of the SGC. they wouldn't have heard of his promotion to head of the entire earth defense program or that O'Neill was now in charge. That came after they left. Weir just handed O'Neill his promotion, she wouldn't have known he would become new base commander if it hadn't been decided then.

the mist beings were using known information from their minds. So, having Weir report to Hammond makes sense.

I also like Garwin Sanford as Weir's husband/ex-husband. I keep forgetting which he is. I think too many people forget that this man is an actor and he's playing a part and this part is different from Narim. I'd have thought folks would be happy to see the actor again and yet, all they can do is complain about the show reusing actors.
Gee, I think it's great they are giving these folks work where we can see them. I love seeing Garwin again. hope to see him some in future episodes.

hmmm.... what do I think of Weir ? she was okay. But, the writers really need to give some better material to work with because so far, I'm finding that Sheppard is starting to become smarter and more efficient a leader than she is. He was the one to catch on to the gig first.

this really was a well done episode. my only problem is that it wasn't original. The beings in Watergate were trying to save their people every bit as much as the non-corporeal mist beings.

I'd give this ep 8/10.

This post has been edited by CitizenK: Sep 13th 2004, 8:53 PM

In the atlantis pilot episode Rising Pt1 Weir has to get the nod from General O'Neill to use the ZPM to power the gate after Daniel discovers it's an 8 symbol address,she also claims she has been selecting members for this expedition for months suggesting some time had passed since General O'Neill's promotion.

It was General O'Neill at SGC who gave the expedition the final nod to depart after the MALP readings determined viable life support and he rolled the bottle of champagne through the wormhole prior to shutting it down.

In fact Dr Weir (different actress) replaced General Hammond in Lost City Pts 1+2,I don't ever recall a scene in SG1 or SGA where they have ever met.

indeed, citizen you need to check your info, and for the complainingstuff, i dont complain, i just dont like to se the same characters playing different roles, that takes away some of the thrill, thats it

Good point, Weir did have to get O'Neill's okay to use the ZPM in the season opener. But, one thing that the mist alien did say to Weir was that they took and used memories from their minds to create a new reality for them. So, inspite of the fact that O'Neill was the new commander of the SGC, she still considered Hammond in charge.

Otherwise, why wouldn't it have been O'Neill's image the aliens took on instead of Hammond ?

Personally, I think that's something that ultimately would end up as a nitpick.

But, going to have to disagree with Nightdagger. I don't have any problems with good character actors being re-used in other roles. It doesn't take anything away from the performance as far as I am concerned.

Because RDA will not be appearing in any more episodes of Atlantis!
He has been widely quoted as saying his association with the series ended after the pilot.

Pity since the Base Commander's contribution was all on-base it might have been relatively easy to work the episode into his schedule.

that's slightly unfair for Atlantis...does that mean we won't be seeing Michael Shanks either?

This episode was actually pretty good, but a little bit confusing. I haven't seen the Stargate Atlantis premiere so I thought Jack was replaced by Hammond again. Glad to see that he wasn't. Anyways, I like Weir's husband. They kept having these love scenes and I kept thinking, "Narim, ya like Sam ya bastard!" Maybe I was overeacting! jk! Anywho, he does look a lot older since the last time we saw him. It was a nice surprise to see him though!

I LOVE the part where Teyla comes out of that mall (was it?) with Shepard. Teyla kinda reminds me of me! I love to shop, especially for clothes. Just thought I'd mention it.....

he's not her husband...he's her boyfriend.

Well, when you have a pizza in one hand and you're tellin your brother to shut up every 5 minutes its hard to focus. jk! I didn't know that.

Who wouldn't...
Shopping for the first time.

Don't forget, it was Shep's idea. I'm sure he was enjoying it too in the beginning. I wonder from whose memories the aliens created the clothes... perhaps Elizabeth's.

This post has been edited by ted_simple: Sep 14th 2004, 6:23 PM

McKay is by far and away my favorite character on this show. I loved his sarcasm in Thirty-Eight Minutes when he said "The cockpit is regretably demolecularized at the moment." And my favorite part of this episode was his "I'm with Genius" T-shirt. His arrogance just slays me.

might have been from sheps memories of when he dated a girl?

I just don't think Sheppard can vividly picture a wide collection of bras. She certainly wore one.

For that matter, I think it's quite difficult to create a cloth store from anyone's memories. You have hundreds of different variations in every room.

You know, here's a minor nitpick about Sheppard that bothered me that I forgot to mention. Why is it... Many if not all people who go on some long journey end up bringing Tolstoy's War and Peace with them. Sure, it's a long read. But, does Sheppard strike you as someone who'd be interested in Tolstoy ? Yeah, I know, he was only on page 17.

But, why not Tolkien's Lord of the Rings ? How about Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix ? Shogun ? David Copperfield ? Those are all perfectly good long books.

Why do they always read War and Peace ?

For a moment I actually liked Sheppard for his choice....cliche though it was. But then he said he was only on page 17 and it was obvious this was a character who wasn't getting it. The book is an exciting and thought provoking read from page one!

Sadly, it's a tired joke perpetuated by those who've never read the book.

My nitpick about the Book is this:

"Did Sheppard bring two personnal items instead of only one?"

We know he brought his football videos but was everyone allowed to bring a big big book as well. Is this Sheppard bending/breaking the rules? Have the writers been inconsistent? Do I have a poor memory of that particular episode?