I agree that Daniels returns didn't have to go with Jonas leaving. Fortunately there are still many ways he could come back, although the chances for that are slim.

The episodes themself I simply loved, especially the part from Star Wars. I was clearly a tribute to some of the best movies ever and I don't see what everyone is bitching about. Although the storylines weren't as good as we are used to, I still think it's a good way to start the season.

(My apologies about any mistakes I made in my spelling, I'm Dutch and my english isn't that great.)

Jonas really tool a lot of flamings from fan of sg1. he was just staring to be a good char, and not following the team like a lost puppy. i don't think he should be an ambassador and requering char doing something with the f 302s or in the up and coming spinoffs. Jonas still has some thing to offer to the premiss of the show.

Bye bye jonas, yes anyway I liked this episode. I thought that one of Yu's ships could have stopped off at earth and picked up the F-302s.

I haven't read all of the previous posts, but I saw a little of Independence Day in this episode ie big ship comming down on a crest of clouds and hovering over the capital.
An OK episode, though I sincerely hope they get better. Nice to see Jack joking "does it have to be a public execution?....public's good!"

I thought that this episode was ok, but all in all, i think it has been quiet a poor start to the season compared to others.

I dont know why the writers felt the need to get rid of Jonas just because Daniel's back. His character had developed greatly throught season 6, and although i'm sure he'll be back to make some guest appearences, i'm quiet unsatisfied with their decision to axe him as a main character. Im also dissapointed with the ease in which Anubis escaped, Baal's ships didnt even seem to detect the pod, and since when have pods been able to enter hyperspace? I guess thats another new development for Anubis.

Did Anubis take the naquadria with him? I think he did as otherwise, if it was still on his ship it would have amplified the explosion, but i'm not sure.

Other than that, it was nice to see Sam kick ass again, and RDA is always a pleasure to see.

oh i thought that ep was great although I was surprised at how i didn't want Jonas to leave when i've been hating him throughout. Great end scene.

I really liked the part when Jonas and Daniel ringed down surprisingly into the warehouse full of Jafa, that was too funny.
I was a bit disappointed that Anubis' first prime wasn't shot at all in that episode, but I was really glad thatCarter Rugby tackled him

Go carter, Go carter it's your birthday!

I saw that too, but only the second time I watched it... I was actually looking for the Star Wars references that people had been talking about and then I saw that scene and it was so similar to Independence Day. I guess that in reality a ship descending on a planet is going to look pretty similar anyway though so I'm not judging it as being a copied idea.

I think your quote 'An Ok episode' pretty much sums Fallen and Homecoming up. In my opinion for the season premiere they were not up to my expectations...

We have seen personalised things that have behaved differently from normal before, so the escape pod entering hyperspace wasn't such a shock (think back to the weird glider/personal transport ship in 1x01). For all we know it may not have even been an escape pod, but a customized ship for Anubis that the mothership was carrying. Maybe Ba'al's fleet did detect it but it entered hyperspace pretty fast so maybe they just couldn't get a shot at it. We'll soon find out if they detected it or not by how they talk of Anubis in the future (dead or alive).

I would have thought it would be pretty hard for him to have taken it with him. Most of it was probably tied up in that experiment and from what we've seen it's extremely dense and probably impossible to carry even with the enhanced strength of a Goa'uld... maybe if he had enough Jaffa, but it would take quite a long time to transport it to that ship I think - time he probably didn't have.

i'm gonna miss Johnas the thing he had with teal'c was so funny at times.
so sad that we lost Johnas so early in the new season...i know he'll be back but it won't be as main cast so it won't be the same. liked the grove that Daniel and Johnas had while they were trying to escape.

The bit with the rings and the warehouse was so cool. It was so cool when Carter rugby tackled that first prime and they were fighting, it's always nice to see Sam fight reminds us that she's not just a brain.
Pity that first prime is still alive i thought someone would have shot him by now as he has been in alot of episodes. Speaking of that first prime is it just me or does he have really large eyebrows.

More I see this episode, more I miss Jonas.
He was really a good guy...

Why don't you think that he could have ordered the nahqradia to be transported to his escape pod/ship just in case as soon as it came on board at the beggining of the strike?
He knew well enough that he was at the mercy of any of the system lords, but he isn't too arrogant enough to tink he was invinible and he could survive it without escaping.

My point was that given the time between the System Lords coming out of Hyperspace and starting their attack and his ship being destroyed, I don't think there was enough time. From the episode I got the idea that there was a LOT of Naquadriah and it would take a lot of man-power to move it all... I'm not saying he didn't get away with the Naquadriah, just that I think it would be unlikely.

this thread needs my input

- this episode was much better than the last
- love the daniel jonus working togethe, why cant it be like that all the time?
- no more death star
- jack as funny as ever
- always good to see peoples reaction to the first time seeing the star gate
- liked the special effects, the ring scene was great, and the other
- im very positive about this episode, but anubus escaped, i would have liked to not see that, so that it would retain the mystery when these SS appear, ie not hear of him for a while

my rating

4/5

i agree with u rax jonas and daniel make a good time and i also thin daniel sould lose his memory more oftan he is funnyer so far in this season that annoy of the other. i think they r running out of material for jack cuz he keeps on going on bout says in the fallen it was birds of a feather and flocking and togetherness and then in this one it was a dog and 3 dancing monkeys doning something! what next! and i do also agree it was a better keep and the battle was 2 short but i linked the way the ship disintergrated! plus 1 more think i would think the goa'uld ships would have better targeting computer bout half there shots hit the city.

i dont think the goauld were particuarly botherd about that, as its not their nature to be accurate

I agree, they are used to being able to waste 3/4 of their shots. After all, the apparent randomness is better to strike fear in the heart of the 'slaves'!

I don't think I can add anythign that hasn't already been voiced here, but I'd particularly like to point to Aesir's lovely montage (or whatever you call the written equivelent) of the best quotes as a shining example of what I was thinking when I saw this eppy.

Oh, I lied. I have something to add.

Is it me of were there considerably less pithy quips from good old Jack O'Neill? I counted...um...about two I think. Surely the usual quota for an episode is about ten? Not that I'm complaining. Much as I love those little quips I can't help feeling they can be a little too overdone and therefore detract from the drama in some episodes.

The other thing I though could have done with a little expansion was Jack's reaction to the fact that Ba'al was the goa'uld who came to help blow up Anubis. Given that Ba'al was not very nice to our Jack (what wither the repeatedly torturing, killing and reviving him), you'dve thought that it might have provoked a slightly more emotional response. I can probably understand why they didn't add that to the mix though because there was enough going on in that episode without complicating matters. Still, it would have been a nice continuity touch.

And now for my shallow comment. Oh get used to 'em, you'll get at least one a week!
I really liked Teal'c chain mail/jaffa look. That man has the nicest biceps I've ever seen.
And Sam has great hair this year. She's really got that "I'm feminine but I'm tough and I've got the balance just right." feel about her this year.

The shots that hit the city were actually shots that went all the way through Anubis' ship and back out the underside.

I enjoyed the ep, nice to have the team back again. Daniel and Jonas worked well together - pity they can't keep Jonas at least as researcher on base. Imagine that - a researcher who's capable of remembering everything he reads! I want that skill!
Did you notice the lights swaying in the underground room everytime the gate fired up? Nice touch.
Now we've established the situation, I look forward to slipping back into the groove for the rest of the season. It will be interesting to see how Daniel settles down again. I liked the little touches in this ep:
Jack "what's your situation?"
Daniel "I'm hiding, what's yours?"
I'm in the UK, and have waited to see the eps on TV, so finally I'm getting to see the new season. Roll on Christmas, which is when we usually overtake the States

I thought the goodbye scene was touching, and I especially thought the special effects were fantastic! In all I thnk they handled the whole Jonas leaving Daniel arriving thing very well, and it did both actors credit.

Ok, i watched this episode again today (for the 3rd time) and i'm begining to doubt whether that thing that Anubis escaped in was an escape pod. The shape of other pods are kind of long, as a person has to be standing vertically inside, the thing Anubis escaped in was round. Im beging to think that it could have been a mini ship, it didnt seem like it had weapons, although thats not to say that it doesnt, and it can enter hyperspace, these are 2 qualitys that ships tend to have.

Does anyone know for sure what it was because this is really bugging me.

I always assumed it was a ship. It seems to be a new design, but Anubis has a lot of stuff that no one else has.