great episode, loads of funny comments between sheppard and mkay... always great to see the two banter

nice visual effects as always
not sure about the actual story, seems like there is a third faction to play in this. lets hope we can find about them soon

***1/2

Not a bad episode not a great episode. Predictable in its outcome. Atlantis seems to be going for the creepy / eerie atmosphere in many of its episode, with things jumping out at you.

The ending leaves it hanging as to whether there is a new menace in the Pegasus galaxy that they will have to contend with.

Not the best episode. Some got sick - they fixed it. They could have complicated it a little. People seeing things?we should at least suspect they could be seeing something real. It was too straight forward. Not their best work.

This post has been edited by anja: Nov 23rd 2004, 1:02 PM

Dr McKay loves his EMP machines!!!

I got an exam in 3hrs so will make my comments later.
But I did like Elizabeth this episode, she was strong as ever. Well I've always liked her anyway

I liked this episode. It was good to see alot of the auxiliary SGA personnel and have Weir stand up to Sheppard for once. It seems like all the best McKay lines are when he thinks he's about to die also. I thought it was weird how the virus affected him at first but then decided not to kill him because he had the gene. The nanovirus thing has been done before but that didn't bother me.

This was a pretty good episode. Sure nanites aren't new, but it did a lot of good things for the show.

First, it finally discussed the issue of Sheppard's disregard for the chain of command by having him in conflict with Weir.
Second, they finally explored more of the city, which is something they should've been doing the whole time.
Third, Ford got some more lines, and is apparently more of a wuss than he previously let on.
Finally, they have laid the foundation for the introduction of a new enemy that is already more threatening than the Wraith. Considering that the nanites don't kill Ancients, its not a far stretch to consider the possibility that it is the Furlings who developed the nanites. Since the creators of the nanites didn't intend to kill the Ancients, it's fair to assume they were allies that disagreed on how to deal with the Wraith. The Nox would never do this, and are probably the least advanced of the Alliance. The Asguard don't seem to have been to Pegasus, so it is reasonable to conclude that the Furlings may be the culprits. Maybe not, but I get the feeling we'll have to wait a season or two to find out.

Oh, and has the cowardice of the Atlantis expedition members bothered anyone else? I mean, for a team being sent into the unknown, you think they would've chosen some bolder and more stable candidates. Even today psychological profiles are used to consider eligability for a variety of occupations.

I think the thought of an infectious disease running rampant would cause anyone fear. I don't think it that suprising that one guy broke. Besides, I think the scientists were chosen for for knowledge and expertise rather than bravery.

Pretty good episode, not the most exiciting but not as dull as many of the sg1 season 7 episodes just waiting for the final big bang episode... Since they are sure it wasn't the Ancients who made it, and cause it wont attack ancients Furlings seem reasonable since they have intended for them to show up soon, but the one fallisy i see ( and perhaps there might be something in the furling genome to that stops the nanites ) But from Paradise Lost back on SG1 the skeletal remains of the presumably furlings where humanoids....

My guess is either they intend to meet the furlings in Pegasus or there are someone else or was someone else allied with the Ancients against the Wraith....


Pluss one pretty big Goof with this episode is that, well since this is a virus aimed at killing you dont wanna have it stopped easily, and we saw how the ancient digital devices didnt fry with the EMP, so why not just shield the nanites too, pretty useless if such a primitive rase as humans can stop it...


-husvag

I agree that most of the Atlantis team members seem to be a little weak in terms of their emotional stability. It sure doesn't make sense that you would select a team of people to send to another galaxy that break under the slighest big of pressure. Hopefully the writers notice that they're populating Atlantis with a bunch of very unstable people.

Oh well.

If the builders of the nanites weren't the Ancients, its perfectly reasonable that they aren't protected against the EMP. You say they should've copied the Ancient shielding, but the Ancient technology isn't shielded. It's just different than what we are used to, and isn't affected by electromagnets in the same way. To prevent an EMP from disabling them, the nanites would have to be significantly more sophistocated and utilize Ancient technology.

Great episode IMO.

I've finally come to accept Weir now, and am looking forward to more scenes like the "chain of command" issue.

Not the most original episode, certainly, enjoyable either way.

I'm not so sure it wasnt the Ancients who created the nano virus.

They are protected from it (so its either them OR an ally), however they wouldnt want to kill the humans (would they?), well by using visions of/similar to the Wraith any human race infected would surely think it was the Wraith that were doing it and not the Ancients.. hence they could "frame" the Wraith so they dont lose any credit and they still stop the Wraith.

Perhaps the moral issue is why they didnt implement it in the end, but it could of been them who created it. Also Furlings are a possible candidate (6.15 Paradise Lost), its not stated if the Skeletons are Furlings or not, they sent invitations to many races to form the utopia so its not clear who the skeletons belong too, so they are not necessarely human.

well, if it wasn?t 4 the chain of command thingie I wouldn?t have liked this 1!
I hope they still do sth ?bout that. otherwise: 2 straightforward, as already mentioned

Most of the Atlantis expedition are Scientists.. I mean they've never been out on the field for this long so it's obvious that they would have a breakdown when something goes wrong..

I'm thinking the mess hall was filled with scientists since they were only infected by the nanovirus for little while and the first scary visions they see, they quickly freak.

I mean look at The Defiant One's scientists.. They both froze up and Gall gave in so easily and told the wraith everything about the Jumper and he killed himself in the end.

No i Did like This one for The Simple reson they have opened it up to another enemy of the Acients not just the wraith so it is intresting to see maybe another type of bad guy in the future just like what sg1 did when they introduced the Replicators looking forward to see where this storyine might end up someday cool

Yes! Finally Weir stands up for her own! haha, when Sheppard asked her to open the door (after they were out), and she wasn't saying anything... I was like, what, isn't she talking to him anymore? Hopefully she'll keep on that attitude.

McKay was brilliant as usual. His last speech.. *ROFL* "I was minutes away from developing the unification theory but I died saving..." Zelenca: "...kids." Also the friendship between McKay and Beckett is really pulled of nicely, both in the end of the Eye and here... the checked look on Beckett's face... That was indeed a very good scene.

Oh! And maybe they'll finally answer the question of - how come the Ancients met the human-life-eating Wraiths in Pegasus when all humans there are descendents from the Ancients in the first place...? If they were manufactured by someone it would make more sense. Hopefully they won't leave this as an open thread but develop a decent explanation of it.

One thing that bothered me - come on! The second McKay sees the dead people he knows its a virus? It could have been a thousand differnet things... I know they have a time limit but....

NOw this episode was fantastic, the best quarantine/medic episode so far!

Rating 100/100

Atthe start of the episode, I knew Peterson was gonna be trouble and even felt like killing him. The scene where e "stumbles" onto the Mess Hall - funny -

*ARGH*

The lockdown mode was very cool, red alert, and siren was so cool, the door closing, don't know why, but I thought that was neatly done.

MacKay was funny and poor Weir, Sheppard undermine her orders.

A must see episode!

I liked this episode, it was really interesting.
not sure about a new enemy but i liked John Sheppard in this episode.
good acting by all.

The virus wasn't made by the Ancients, sine they already ruled that out at the end of the episode, and already introducing us to the mere idea of an "unknown" enemy.

My thoughts are that the enemy is probably not as unknown as they thought - It has to be the Furlings. As soon as they said that they don't know who made it, "Furlings" popped into my head right at that instant. It'd be cool to see them as the new enemy in Atlantis ("The Good guys turned bad for some reason" thing)

My guess is that the Furlings probably didn't like the Ancients populating the galaxy with these lowly humans, and sent a virus to destroy what the ancients were doing. That is what finally destroyed the alliance between the four major powers when they went to war with one another.

Yes, that theory is full of holes, but I still believe that can be a rough outline of what it'll turn out to be. I'd also prefer this "new enemy" to have some uber-cool, mean ships that make me drool - Trying to instill fear into our hearts.

What about that, since the Ancients were populating galaxies with humans, the Furlings got jealous, and created the Wraith to devour those humans, and keep them in check. The virus was probably something created by them before or soon afterwards, since the Wraith weren't killing humans sufficiently, i.e. feasting on humans, then hibernating.

This post has been edited by SkyDragon: Nov 28th 2004, 9:22 AM

i thought that the humans had already populated the planets when the Ancients came to the pegasus galaxy?
I dont think that the Anicents would have transported humans to a different galaxy for no reason.

why are you pointing the finger at the furlings? the first time we heard of them they were allies of the ancients and the last time we heard of them they(or at least some) had chucked away all their tech to live in a paradise free of weapons with various other races and speices in peace, there has yet to be any evidence that the furlings are/were in peg or anywhere else(except the paradise moon mentioned above)

i dont think the nanites represent a new enemy against the ancients but rather evidence of another advance race(not as advance as the ancients, but say at the gould tech level) that has remained low key from the humans but are against the wraiths, they could have created the nanites so that it would hurt the wraith by killing off their food, but leaving the ancients or those with ancient genes alive to be future allies(they didnt think their would be humans there, after all it is the city of the ancients and they thought that maybe after all this time they finally came back)

anyway, its a great episode showcasing the other scientists, mckay's great "i'm about to die" rants, and yeah for weir steping up in her role as the one in charge

This post has been edited by nitesoul: Nov 29th 2004, 2:24 AM

hey, dorky question about the openning dialogue and prime numbers:

McKay says 4021, right? and the Czech guy says it's not? You mean, as hard as it is to verify the prime-ness of numbers (prime-numbers.org), they still got it wrong in the script?

i think this one goes into nitpick cause as you said antigravity 4021 is a prime and the scrpit writers got it wrong