I'm sure that Dell is not happy about that comment.

Doesn't Rodney make MAC comments sometimes...? I seem to recall another such joke.

I didn't like this episode at all

I do think that he has made comments like that in the past, however... I can't think of any specific instances. I remember him sayins that the Wraith OS is worse than DOS.

Do you have any reasons for that?

Perhaps you liked the lack of storyline, or the poor CGI, or the impossible re-entry...?


Ah yes that I do remember. I might be thinking about general computer stuff that he makes comments on... stuff that is only funny to him because it makes little or no sense to most people.

Can you tell us all why do you have this feeling... so we can compare it to other opinions, or you like saying something to other people, and not explain your reasons, just to keep them in suspense?

A one-liner like that is usually considered spam... I'd be careful in the future if I were you.

67% Quite good. It was pretty science fictiony, which is a bonus and the characterisation was fairly strong.

SUPERAUTOMATION OF THE WEEK: Flick a few switches in a supposedly 1960s level of technology and suddenly powers goes up and life support comes on. They don't know they're born these days!

REPETITION OF THE WEEK: The in medias res opening is getting a little overused. In the case of 'Memento Mori' it wasn't so bad, but here, it is seems totally gratuitous.

DODGY EDITING OF THE WEEK: When the decompression happened, the cut to Teyla and Shepherd getting thrown off their feet happened some second after the first cut making it look a bit like a bunch of stunt men throwing themselves around.

NEW MECHANICS OF THE WEEK: Shepherd and Ronan are pretty strong. Those airlock doors are probably about 1½m² in size. When you're venting an atmosphere of close to an atmosphere, the weight on those doors would be over 100 tonnes!

NEW ASTRODYNAMICS OF THE WEEK: When an asteroidal moon decays in its orbit and enters the atmosphere, it apparently slowly falls vertically down rather than sweeping along at high speed as we would normally expect if the laws of gravity and the laws of inertia applied. Fortunately, the graphics later on were a little more accurate.

POOR RECRUITMENT OF THE WEEK: This civilisation doesn't screen its recruits very well. The operation was highly stressful and had a lot of risk. A guy who would commit suicide at the first sign of a personally afflicting setback is, as we saw, a liability.

GOOD CHARACTERISATION OF THE WEEK: I liked Jamus. He was a well executed character. I thought Teyla was strong opposite him too.

A poor episode with a poor plot. It was just a rehash of episodes like 'The Other Side' and 'Lifeboat' with very little else added in. The guy wanted to kill the remains of his race just because his wife and child didn't survive? Ok, his family is dead but it's a tad extreme to want to kill those who had nothing to do with their death. I found it unbelievable that Sheppard knew where to find the docking release on the shuttle only a few seconds after he sat in the pilot's chair, given that none of the controls were marked. It was unbelievable that the control room's window cracked after debris impacted it slightly yet the shuttle's cockpit could withstand flying through the debris of an exploded moon.

i've got no idea how anti gravity technology works but would it still have an effect in the compartments that had been depressurised. it doesn't seem realistic to me that makay was walking around like normal even when he was basically in a vacum?

Well, anti-gravity is pretty sci-fi anyway, but real gravity doesn't have any dependence on atmospheric pressure, so I don't see why artificial gravity should have any requirement on it. I can see where you're coming from though.

It just didn't seem right. considering the window in the control room shattered, the atmosphere was sucked out and the room was exposed to the vacuum of space. so in the middle of the room he could walk as normal, but if he stepped out the window he'd surely float away. the mind boggles.

Well yeah, but anti-gravity is generally mind-boggling. It's just like on the Discworld...

Real gravity is the reason our planet has an atmosphere at all... Given artificial gravity is fictional, we can't know how it would affect gas particles in the air... I don't think the two are related, least not in scifi so far.

It all depends on how strong their gravity field is. We can perfectly speculate that the field is not strong enough to keep gas in. We don't know if stepping out the window would necessarily throw anyone floating into space, they could return back in just as well, although artificial gravity is reproduced in some Sci-Fi shows by the rotation (somehow) of the target object, so by stepping out...

Well, that's actually the closest we can come to artificial gravity with current technology. It has negative side effects, like the Coriolis effect, and gravity gradients, but it's still doable. Watch 2001.

Another episode about people in some sort of suspended animation, which has been done before on SG1 and Atlantis. There was nothing exciting or new about it and it was fairly average.

The episode quality in first half of season 3 was a lot better, it seems to have dropped off a bit in the second half.

Like many others, I didn't care much for this episode. The whole suspended animation thing is over used and made it feel like I've seen the episode already. Adapting Wraith tech was kind of interesting, but nothing really came of it.

Also, the design of the re-entry vehicle bugged me. A bubble cockpit didn't seem realistic on a vehicle like that.

This post has been edited by Reignfire: May 18th 2007, 11:13 PM

I have nothing new to add to the discussion except to express my disgust as well.

*Sheppard knowing how to fly the ship? Don't think so.
*The reentry into the atmosphere? Iffy at best.
*Crashing onto the ground and NOT exploding? Right.
*The suicidal guy? Whatever. He should never have been brought onto the program and shouldn't have been the one intergraded first (talk about piss poor planning! 5 generations' work down the drain).

On the other hand, Teyla and Jamus had great scenes and she really was the one to be stuck in there with him. I think that if they'd focused more on that, instead of the unrealistic plot they did focus on, it'd have been a much better episode. Not every one needs to be action oriented. Sometimes it's the character interaction that's best.

And on a side note, whatever happened to Teyla's people? Are they still on the continent on Atlantis? Weren't the kicked off by the Atlantians return?

Remember that Flying is pretty simple. Shep wasn't fighting a battle at all. There is a throttle and rudders and a the primary flight controls. Once you know what they are, it's not terrible difficult. That's why he could fly a jumper or a 302 with no training. We've seen this before with Jack.

It was designed for atmospheric rentry, what was iffy?

Not everything that crashes explodes. That's over dramatization and overuse of special effects. (Here is some good satire related to that.)

This post has been edited by JTMAG1: May 19th 2007, 6:38 PM

Lol, I think they shouldn't have fed that horse chili peppers...

One thing about this episode bothered me. Either they didn't explain it, or I blinked and missed it.

Jamus told Herick that he postponed the second shuttle leaving by a day. Jamus said there were riots once the people knew about the shuttles. Jamus said the Wraith came. Jamus said they attacked all the Wraith ships with nuclear weapons as soon as they landed. Jamus said the fallout would kill his people and make the planet inhabitable for years.

With all that, how did Jamus get to the moon base, and be incorporated into the device? Herick was already there and in the device. That is why Herick didn't know that the second shuttle didn't follow him. Now we saw Jamus incorporate both Teyla and himself into the device, so he knew how to do that part, but how did he get there?

My best guess would be that Jamus was calling all the shots from the moon base. He was likely already up there before the first ark was launched. After arrival, all of the station's manpower (including any remaining leadership) was zipped into storage. Herick's pattern was merely coded as the first to be reintegrated since he's the only one who could fly the ship back down to the planet.

Any yeah, they should have known how unstable he would have been, and if there were no other candidates, they should have made sure his family was on the first ark just to be safe.

Best line: Mckay saying "you should have used a Mac"!!

One thing that struck me wrong was that Herick, who supposedly spent his entire life working to help people, became a kind of improbable deus ex machina by essentially sociopathically (okay, so maybe that's not a word), leaving innocent people to die who were there to help him. Wow...that sentence was a little convoluted. Sorry!

I did find it unusual that the poor Scientist Guy cracked so completely all at once, almost ending his entire race.