Dwight Schultz also played Murdock on The A-Team (in the leather jacket in that pic)

Funniest quote in that ep:

Oh, my bad. I didn't realize it was actually him, I thought it was someone who just looked like him.

You know it was both of the Genii and our faults for alerting the wraith to our presence. First MCkay is tampering with a biosystem and they prob will know someones tampering with something. ANd then the idiot preventing Teyla from helping the guy-but she wouldnt have been any better-shot the guy and that alerted them to a change their food supply. So we both f*ucked up and didnt want to admith to it. Hey, they were just bitter that they had casualties and we didint which made them angry and added salt to the wound of us accidentally waking the wraith and destroying their plan.....wooopsey!

I liked this episode, loved the way it went from amish to nazis to wraith some kooky connections there. Thought it was kind of stupid of McKay to let out all those atom bomb building pointers, its never a good thing to set those things off, besides the Wraith have that strange biology what if a few survived and the radiation turned them into super mutant wraiths or something. Anyway looking for to the next episode it looks like it will be good.

She (Denise Crosby) was part of Star Trek: The Next Generation but already left during the first season. She wanted to leave the show IIRC and the writers had her killed off by some black blob. (Hey, maybe that energy being they trapped could do the job! ) As the others here mentioned she reappeared later as her own alternate reality daughter

Ooohh. I'm sorry I made you see that. From now on, I shall call Sheppard's squad the "Gate team" (seeing as how they're the only ones to consistently use the stargate.)

Now that Odo and Miles O'Brian have hosted underground dinners w/chandeliers or candles, I wonder who will be next...

Edit: This is a Star Trek joke. They both were main characters on Deep Space Nine and guest characters on SG1 and Atlantis.

This post has been edited by ted_simple: Aug 29th 2004, 5:24 PM

Okay, bitch needs to die. "Oh, we must save them all." Oh wait, you just got shot and I'm holier than thou since you wouldn't save anybody - I'm gonna run away and leave you to die.
I understand that she has "connections" in the area (although she seems to have a hell of a lot of them if you ask me for a simple culture), but she needs to get the boot to the mainland and show up, if, 3 times a season.

I like the show and a lot of the interactions, but the more I actually think about it something isn't right - if Weir goes on missions then there is nobody to run the day to day operations on the base, and if stupid girl goes away, who's to be the fourth?

Ah yes, good episode even though it did have some flaws.

I have to say I really enjoyed this ep. The humor between McKay and Sheppard is really great.

It was funny when McKay started bragging about being questioned by the CIA for four hours. He seemed so proud of the fact.

I think that Ford's character needs to be developed a lot more. Tayla's also. Sheppard and McKay seem to get the spotlight all the time.

Speaking of character development, What is going on with Weir??? She's like this leader who doesn't lead. She really needs to start taking charge and maybe tell Sheppard "no" once in a while.

All in all, good episode, I can't wait to see how the Gennii play into later episodes.

I agree. They wrote Wier and the character's presence in SG-1 was someone who was very stuck to her guns. In Atlantis she's more of a wet paper towel......or a pliable noodle of some sort.

Oh, boy... ! It was great to see Colm Meaney again. He was wonderful as always. it just goes to show you what a real actor with chops can do. I hope we get to see him again in a future ep with the Genii.

This was a really good episode. There was a lot of suspence and tension. Here's something I noticed similar with this episode and Poisoning the Well i.e. a seemingly unsophicated society has developed technology that can defeat the Wraith. Specifically, the Haulin (sp ?) developed that serum and the Genii developed that device that could hack into the Wraith computer systems. That was some pretty savvy computer detective work if you ask me. Especially for a society still having problems refine weapons grade Uranium. You think if they could have solved one problem, they could have solved the other. The physics of the atom bomb was developed long before the computer at least here on earth.

So, is this a standard plot device for Atlantis ? What seems to be an unsophicated culture really does have the means to defeat the Wraith ? sure looks that way.

I love Mckay, but he was getting on my nerves in this ep. I guess 11 cups of coffee a day could do that to a person. But, all I wanted to do was shout out SHUT UP to him as he started to brag about how much he knew about atomic bombs to Cowan. Have to say that the comments about his high school chess club and science fair project was pretty funny. But gee, don't give away all your secrets. That's why I liked Sheppard. He seemed to really understand how these people worked and how to negotiate with them or rather how to blackmail them. That's what he did. He found their weak point and he exploited it. I wouldn't have done it any differently.

So, Major Sheppard is starting to grow on me. I still don't like the hair. Sorry, but it still looks like someone took a weed whacker to it. Would it kill him to drag a comb through that mess before they leave Atlantis on a mission ? Sorta scary when Teyla has a better coif than he does.

The writers have to do something with Lt Ford. I like him, but he's reminding me way too much of Lt Meriweather on Enterprize. They are almost the same character. You know, smart idealistic young officer eager to learn from his superiors.

oh, and I didn't like Weir's put down of Ford. That wasn't necessary.

I really did like the "look" of the science department of the underground bunker. That was a nice bit of scenery. Loved all the different TVs and Tesla coils all over the set. cool.

Wraiths.... well, I wasn't surprized that there was a sacrifice at the end when the team entered the ship. How could they not know that they would have woken up one of "Steve's" cousins ??? But, did enjoy the standoff between Sheppard and Cowan.

I think this is one of the best episodes so far... really well done.

Oh, did notice how the Stargate/SGA costume designers seem to enjoy having a militaristic, proto-fascist feel to the uniforms. Stargate did it in Icon and now SGA did it.


This post has been edited by CitizenK: Aug 31st 2004, 9:45 PM

anyone else notice colm meaney's line about once being a "great confederation of planets"? wonder where they got that idea from... little nod to star trek from the script writers methinks

(for those with no idea what im talking about... the main dudes in star trek were the "united federation of planets", and colm meaney starred in two series of star trek)

This post has been edited by Rancid Monkey: Sep 1st 2004, 4:24 AM

oh yeah...and wtf were those cucoon things made out of? cause when the guy woke up and started whining he punched right thru the 'bars' on the front of his little cucoon...this after many (probably a few hundred) years in stasis (or whatever) for his muscles to attrophy
pretty crappy cucoons imho if they dont (a) keep their occupants incapacitated and (b) keep them restrained if they do wake up... wonder if thats what they make their ships out of? (and hence why sheppard was able to shoot one down with an m249 in 'rising')

The cheesy motioning of the sub machine gun as it fired "bullets" was pretty obvious but all in all I liked the episode. For all the times the SGC wanted technology from other races, but were not willing to give their own out this episode turned the tables with McKay spouting all the info on atom bombs.

Yeah, I noticed the coccoon (sp?) thing as well. After I thought about it, I figured that the victim may have been woken up through a fluke (after all, shiite happens), kinda like how O'Neil and some Major woke up during the invasion of the body snatchers (when the signal was interrupted by the jet engine noise). After that, he'd probably been working on his restraints for a while. Also, I imagine that the bonding material probably loses some quality with age. Besides, if you're the Wraith that's gonna eat him, do you really want to spend ten minutes unlocking the fridge so you can have a snack? Really, though, I doubt the support people really thought that deeply into it.

Concerning ol' Shep downing the Wraith fighter, he wasn't using an M249 (I think). If memory serves, it was an M60E3, which packs quite a bit more punch and penetrating capability. In real life, as long as the fighter doesn't have shields, I wouldn't doubt that the M60 is powerful enough to destroy the thing, but I would highly doubt Sheppard's ability to hit it- those little buggers were moving fast. Especially as he was standing up, not resting the gun on anything, and firing continuously instead of short, controlled bursts. The real reason that ship exploded is that the producers needed a hero.

EDIT: It seems I've just been drafted (post count). I guess I'm a Stargate nerd.

This post has been edited by Gunfighter: Sep 1st 2004, 6:06 PM

This episode was better than the ones before. I think the Genii could end up being more of a problem than the Wraith.

Like others, I have not been impressed with Weir. If she's supposed to be Hammond from SG1, she's not doing a good job. hammond always questioned what SG1 did, but left it up to them to do their job. He prevented them from going back when he felt they were compromised. He prevented them from leaving SGC if they were infected. Weir doesn't do this. She just says, "no, and then relents." She's not letting her people do their jobs, IMO.

Love McKay and Sheppard though!

Skin of Evil...one of my favorite eps.

At first - very quick - glance, I thought it was a young Scott Bakula in the blue blazer.

This post has been edited by StillLoveJeffWebber: Sep 1st 2004, 8:29 PM

For the record it's cocoon - and yes - remarkably low tech for a species that rivalled the ancients...

As a couple other people have noted, the cocoon the Wraith's used was alot like the cocoons that spiders wrap their victims in. That's not a bad idea. They said during the episode that those beings were being held in stasis for later feedings. But, if TPTBs are trying to mimic spider behavior, then... the Wraiths could have incapacitated the person with some sort of chemical that would immobilize them. Then, it seems they wrap them in that web like substance.

Also, this isn't the first time this has been used as a device to "capture" potential lunch or a host. This is how the Aliens in the Alien movie franchise held their victims too. This wasn't an orginal idea on SGA's part.

But, it does bring up a shiney new Wraith question... How do they deliver those webs to cocoon their victims ? I know how spiders do it. So, here's one more thing to add to the list of Wraith biology questions.

my bad, it was an m60e3
been playing too much CS

as for shep blasting the dart (funny how the genii called it a dart aswell...), an AP round would probably go thru the hull of a dart (it didnt look that thick on the crashed one in rising), but the genii said something to the extent that shooting down a dart was really hard for them, and their weapons were quite similar to ours (maybe they were just crap shots...or they were really peashooters in disguise) so maybe its made of some super-funky-ultra-strong alloy? in that case how did shep blast it? and if its not, the genii "expert marksmen" must suck hardcore...maybe they went to shooting school the same place as stormtroopers
(for some reason i'm reminded of that line in 'the league of extraodinary gentlemen" where sean connery is talking about shooting: "Oh, I saw...Very American. Fire enough bullets and hope they hit the target!")

as for the cocoon (nya-nya i got it right damn spelling nazis), it looked like a mini-prison, which i would assume has an easy way to open it...

more likely they would just shoot them with their stunners (if they manage to hit anything firing from the hip cowboy style the way they do...reminds me of the discussion about staff weapons in 'the warrior' about intimidation over practicality; perhaps the intergalactic syndicate of evil empires could get together and design a weapon that has a snowball's chance in hell of hitting the broad side of a barn and teach their evil minions how to aim? shep had the right idea in 'suspicion', fire it like a bazooka)

/rant

Oh, I dunno... now that I think about it, I didn't see any sights on the Genni guns. Unfortunately, gateworld doesn't seem to have any relevant pics... can anybody get us a close-up of the Genni SMGs?

I wish the costume designers would come up with some other uniforms that didn't look Nazi. On Stargate SG-1 Episode 806 - Icon, the alien planet also had Nazi-looking uniforms...

Yes, that seemed rather odd to me as well. Common sense would dictate that you would need to re-establish trust with the Genii (who have already fooled the SG team once with their Amish facade) before you give them any technology that could wipe out entire civilizations.

I wondered about that, too. How could the Genii decode and display the Wraith's database when the Genii are still using CRT tubes? The display resolution would be grossly inadequate.

My favorite scene was the ending part when Sheppard revealed that he had also mis-led and mis-trusted the Genii and proceeded to uncloak 2 more PJs. Sure, this scene was stolen from Star Trek Enterprise (when Pickard uncloaked 2 Klingon Warbirds to confront 2 Romulan Birds of Prey), but I just love it when the good guys have a card up their sleeves.


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