Yeah I was thinking that too. After the generator was disabled, why did they have to wait for the Daedelus when Atlantis could have just sent a jumper to get them back through the gate?

Sorry to do this to you, but with enough attention you would have seen that Revan already gave an answer for this one, and I think it is a good one. It would have been very hard to pilot a Jumper through a dense forest. Maybe the Jumper would have fit in front of the gate, but the manouvers for it to get back through the gate would have been impossible. Wait... just remembered... the Jumper can also be piloted in reverse... ah, but it needs to keep the lateral engines not retracted, so it wouldn't have fit through the gate. So... I guess, a Jumper would have been stuck on that planet.

Or maybe there was a protocol that Atlantis had to follow in this case, given that all team members had halucinations for a period of time.

ok, most everyone is posting that they think this episode was boring, but I really liked it (of course, as I've stated before, I like almost all episodes, so I could be a bit biased). I thought it was hillarious and exciting, so poo to everyone that didn't

Not every episode has to deal with the story arc to be good. Filler episodes can be interesting too.


Ronon's laugh at the end was very sweet... Damn you Sci-fi!!! I was perfectly content with my hatred of Ronon and you had to go and make him have actual depth *pout* Fine, I guess I'll finally join in with the Ronon-wub

And lol, just to prove to all of you who havn't gotten it yet: I am such a goober. When Rodney turned around and Sheppard was there and then just shot him, I gasped out loud. I was "OMG! did he just shoot him? How could he shoot him? IS HE OK?!?!" David Hewlett had a lot of good acting in this one: looking down at the wounded soldier (I forget his name/rank) and saying it was ok, telling Teyla to finnish disabling the wraith device, and "You shot me. I can't believe you shot me!" 'Course I think David would be great just sitting there and reading the phone book, so feel free to ignore me.


So *I* thought it was a cool episode. So nice I watched it twice tee hee!

This post has been edited by LyaOfTheNox: Sep 17th 2006, 8:19 PM

There wasn't dense forest in the immediate gate area was there? Or maybe I need to watch it again.

They were surrounded by trees. They were surrounded by trees the entire time they were offworld. They were in a forest...

Excellent! Excellent excellent excelent.

Loved every second of Phantoms.

First, finally Becket gets some wel deserved attention! I was beginning to get exasperated. But here he was, Becket that I loved so in season 1. I was compeltely and utterly taken by surprise to find the young lieutenant dead - can't remember his name. And Kegan being alive after all - weird. But the wayt they revealed the lieutenant dead, and that it was all Carson's hallucination and that he died because he didn't get any treatment... creepy. Really creepy.

Sheppard - I actually liked him this episode! Well, there's a first to everything. Okay, second, cos I also liked him a bit in Common Ground. I really enjoyed the Afghanistan bits - and poor Teyla, talking to thin air.

Speaking of Teyla - and Ronon - can they please start paying attention to them too? That would have made the episode truely perfect, had they not ignored these two, yet again. Well, can't get everything.

Ha, the Prometheus... I was sure I heard wrong before Rodney repeated it. ;) And super-soldiers! Bwahahh. Some SGC traumas for the poor marine? OR airman? Or something....?

Rodney! Finally, after he's been sketchy all season, I got back the Rodney I loved from the previous 2 seasons, hooray! *pats Meredith*. And he was so close, too, to figuring it out til it got him. I guess he was relatively shielded in that chamber, but not compeltely - but since when did Teyla start understanding about computers?

Why would the WRaith want to make themselves better at causing halluciantions? They were right, they're doing it quite well on their own already. Perhaps this is the way they originally got that ability, I wonder.

All in all.... loved it.

Well, this point about this episode seems moot to me right now anyways ... since we haven't seen the wraith create their own "phantoms" since (or very close to) the pilot anyways. This aspect is one of the things that made the wraith so damn scary in the first place. Not only could they eat your life away from you, they could mess with your mind beforehand!

Not a single mention of the depleted ZPM, full functionality on everything we could see in atlantis, as if the ZPM wasnt depleted at all.

Kind of lame inconsistency I hate in SCI-FI's. Now you can say they put up one of the reactors, but it doesnt cover the severity of the situation. If it was just to put a reactor on and everything was fine they wouldnt have made all the trouble locating ZPM's in the first place.

I really didnt like this ep

I agree, you would think everyone at Atlantis, particularly Mackey, would be extremely nervous, considering they have no ZPM, no cloak, no defense. Shouldn't all their focus be turning towards finding a solution, Priorities, ppl. It is just weird to have this episode following last one as if life goes on normally!

I was pretty bore with all the hallucination stuff, the episode was boring apart from the last part, with usual whining by Mackay "you shot me"

And instant back to reality with the machine off, that was too fast, considering the hallucination took sometime to start for everyone, so obviously the brain needed sometime to adjust. Not thats just my opinion

"Scary".. I woudln't go overboard... ;) But I hope they'll follow it up.

How does "potential to be freakishly scary" sound then? Because they really could have made them out to be alot worse. Keep the same plot lines, scenes, etc. Just add some stuff where the wraith are in the city/attacking the Atlantis teams that the atlantis keep seeing ghosts and so don't actually have an accurate count of how many wraith are actually out there.

I liked this episode pretty much. What i didnt like was the fact that they somehow got some super-soldiers into this. Nobody from the Pegasus Galaxy ever encountered super-soldiers. How come they were able to imagine them anyway?

How do you know nobody has ever encountered them? There have been dozens of marines at the SGC who have encountered Super Soldiers. I'm sure at least some of them would have volunteered to go to Atlantis (especially when reinforcements arrived in the Siege pt II). So I would say the opposite. Probably lots of people in the Atlantis have encountered Super soldiers ... and the rest would be well briefed too.

What *I* didn't like about this episode was the whole "there is too much interference. We can't reach the team by radio." "Ok, send in a UAV". How the hell do you think the UAV relays information back to Atlantis ... perhaps through the use of radio waves?? Some interference ... targeted specifically to the radios used by SGA personnel, but not anything else that would require a radio ...

This post has been edited by hobo_joe20: Sep 19th 2006, 1:10 PM

Hey, I didn't notice that. Although I don't think that this is the case here, the radio wave spectrum is pretty wide. Maybe the UAV relays information using another frequency than that of their radios. Also, since this is Stargate they could use subspace emitters inside the UAVs.

But if they could get the UAVs working, you think they would have tried alternate channels on their radios as soon as they hit the planet ... you know. to try and establish some form of radio link before wondering into the abyss ...

There was that, and the whole "we're 2 feet from the stargate, and you're not getting anything?" dealy. which, I know, is possible if the interference wave had a large enough initial amplitude that it didn't decay through multiple layers of rock and the large distance back to the stargate ....

Yes, but that would mean that radio communicatins would not work on all the planets because of the initial amplitude, and we have seen cases where it worked... so the only standing solution to this remains the subspace emitter on a UAV that can help with transmissions. This would make sense, as they would try to communicate via the UAV in any kind of environment, including high in solar activity environments.

That's true ... they never really attempt in any way to tell us how they do communicate with the UAV ... just that they do.

wait a second, didn't they start using the UAVs before they could manipulate stuff in sub-space? or did they just tack on that little bit of tech once they realized they could ...

They've been using UAVs for a long time, but as you suspected they could have added some technology improvements later. Subspace communication would have gave them a great advantage. Perhaps sometime after launching Prometheus for the first time (by force ), they also added this to their UAVs.

I wonder if they would have done this to MALPs as well...

isn;t the reason that they are at that planet is to research the weird energy ouptput..
i suppose thats a oblique reference to the fact that they are looking for new zpms

Well, that DHD sure was durable. A little C4, boom, it's gone. And that's after 10,000 years of looking just as nice and shiny while plants grow up it's a**, rain washes over it hundreds of thousands of times. The Stargate can survive nukes, the Ancients built them to last forever. Yet the DHD is appearently made of the cheapest stuff they could find? In SG-1, a DHD appearently survived some 50 million years, several million of which were spendt under the ice of antarctica, being exposed to the tremendous force of shifting glaciers. Don't tell me the Ancient became cheap on their later days?

Well, the planet was visited recently by several factions (the Genii being one of them). Perhaps they have helped the DHD look better after 10,000 years...

But you're right, the DHD was too easy to destroy. They wanted a conveniant way to not let the team off the planet, and they found a too conveniant one. And what excuse did they find for not being able to dial manualy? Cause I can't remember...

I believe the answer to that is: a Pegasus Galaxy stargate. It doesn't look like they spin, and so dialing out manually would be an issue.

Not to mention thet couldn't actually power the thing ... at least that's 1 thing they got sort-of right.

I distinctly remember McKay saying something about not being able to dial the gate manually unless they shut down that generator. He said that there was no power going to the gate. Hmmm... but he also said something like "even if you were able to somehow manually dial the gate". I wonder.

Reviewing is remembering.

About the Super Soldier thingy. Don't forget in S8 of SG1 in "Avatar" they were using the Gatekeeper machine to help perfect a virtual reality trainer for the SGC personnel. So even if a member of the SGC had never actually seen a real SS he may have been terrified by the virtual reality version of them.