Having trained as a life guard, i can honestly say that what RDA did isn't easy. especially at his age. hats off to him!!

so jack o'neil could be anywhere between 50 and 56 years old then,shouldn't he be retiring sometime soon, again!!

I cant remember any underwater scene in X3 either.

Whoops! Sorry guys, I ment The Fountain...don't know why I was thinking of X Men 3.

I would think Jack would want to be in the air force as long as he possibly could be, he's still got his wits about him (dispite the mind fart that was season 8 ), and he's obviously still pretty physically fit, why wouldn't they want to keep him around?

This post has been edited by magnavox: Dec 23rd 2006, 12:43 AM

Top-notch return (no pun intended) for the season.

RDA was on top form here, reminding me of him back before S6, his quips were great (i won't be surprised to find out that, during the mind reading scene the Asuran actors smile wasn't in the script). Loved the underwater sequence.

Woolsey cracked me up from his 'I can do this' chant, to the fact that they used him for dis-infomation.

LOVED the initial attack on the control room, especially the 'blink-and-you'll-miss-it' squashing of two or three Asurans with the PJ. The scenes of the PJ flying through the city were spectacular, along with the night time shots of the city.

for a second i did think that there was a problem when the 'rewind' started and i do think that was a little bit cheesy. Also the acting of the two main Asurans was wooden to say the least.

Over all i'd give it a 9.99/10.

asurans dont act, they're robots, so thats why their acting sucked

as for the episode, i thought it was alright, no where near as good as last cliff hanger, the seige..

nice to see replicators being outsmarted though
Luv the RDA

Wasn't it strange that the puddle jumper could take a hit of a drone with just minor damage? Shouldn't one drone be enough to punch through the shield (must be pretty weak since it's a modified cloaking shield) and pretty much vaporize the entire backside of the jumper?

Also, why did the drones not follow the jumper into the water?

From what i can remember, the drone only clipped the PJ's shield rather than hit it straight on, so that probably why it wasn't as effective. It has been speculated that there might be some kind of built in system that makes ancients shields more effective against drones but there's no way to prove that.

As for the drones not going into the water, i guess they're not waterproof!!

And still they fired drones into the water to shoot at the stardrive later in the ep ;)

The drones would have lost speed and momentum as they entered the water, the Jumper would have gotten away anyway.

I loved this episode, it was so much better than it's SG-1 counterpart, even though the events that took place at the conclusion weren't all that difficult to figure out. I'm glad that TPTB actually did something with RDA this time because his other appearances in season 9 and 10 of SG-1 were pointless.
I'd like to know where the underwater Jumper bay suddenly appeared from. As far as I know, it's the first time it has ever been mentioned.

While I did enjoy the episode, I felt some things were resolved a bit too easily.

It started off well with Shepard blowing up the control tower, evading the drones and then O'Neill having to drain the jumper bay. I knew the plan Mckay was telling Woolsey and O'Neill was a decoy. The actual plan was little conveniant but I suppose it's how they've dealt with replcators in the past.

I wasn't overly impressed with the Pegasus Replicators. The original replicators seemed smarter and more dangerous.

I expected the rest of the team to get away with disobeying orders as their not military, but surely Shepard has done this once too often. Landry has already tried to get Shepard taken off the Atlantis expedition and promised to end his career in the previous episode. It all seems a bit easy that O'Neill can overrule and pretty much undermine Landry's authority. It would have been nice if Shepard had to face some sort of consequences for his actions.

And did they actually destroy the gatebridge?

Well RDA wanted to be back, and it is much less time overall, so he can put a lot more into each individual episode he does.

Well they said that they didn't know it existed... and just kinda found it. Rodney was able to access its remote door operation from his computer.



Not that we know of.

Well, the asurans were roughly 11000 years old, I don't remember for sure, but I though the human form replicators had more time to advance because of the time dialation device.



It's called rank. O'Neill outranks Landry, so he's not undermining it.... he's overruling it.

EDIT: TYPO... thanks Marv

This post has been edited by JTMAG1: Jan 11th 2007, 1:45 AM

How can the Asurans be only 1100 years old, when the Ancients were the ones to create them more than 10,000 years ago?

Also, there is no need to compare the Asurans with the human form replicators, because civilizations can always be separated by their goal... The Replicators were solely interested in multiplying and in conquest, while the Asurans are more calculated in their decisions, and in finding the right moment, they want to take revenge, and to be an advanced society at the same time copying what the Ancients once were.



That is not true. It is not the rank that overrules Landry, it is the position O'Neill has in connection to Washington. Otherwise, take note that O'Neill and Landry are the same rank.

They hold the same military rank/title, but what I meant is that Jack is in a higher position than Landry. He gets the final say when it's down to the two of them. When two military officers have the same rank, but one has been made the superior for whatever reason, the term outrank is still valid.

This post has been edited by JTMAG1: Jan 11th 2007, 1:52 AM

Okay Im confued I thought the return was shown on Sky a few days ago when did you guys watch this back in december and where did you watch it?

It was aired in Canada a few weeks ago and i can't talk about how i watched the episode on this site

I know O'Neill, as head of homeworld security, holds a higher position than Landry.

But Landry outranks Shepard, and he told Shepard if didn't turn around he'd finish his military career. Shepard acted against Landry's and O'Neills orders.

For O'Neill to turn around and just overrule Landry, undermines Landry's authority. Shepard was in the wrong, the least Landry could expect is for O'Neill to back him. In a military organization, disobeying a direct order is a serious offence, isn't it.

And, for Shepard, to continually disobey orders and never face any consequences is a bit unrealistic.

Yes, it's the return of the Cynic's Copycat's reviews!

85% Damn fine work.

NOSTALGIA OF THE WEEK: RDA appearances in Atlantis have been more genuine than probably anything he did in his final two seasons on SG1. In this episode, his appearance was at full glory.

RESET BUTTON OF THE WEEK: It sure is convenient that the replicators are around when you start blowing up large parts of the city. They can repair it and make it as good as new.

NEW BALLISTICS OF THE WEEK: So what happened to the gate, which was at the epicentre of the explosion? It logically should have been blown across the city. That would have been funny... and potentially tactically interesting.

GENIUS OF THE WEEK: McKay knew his way around the bowels of the city awfully well given he hadn't been there before.

WHITEWASH OF THE WEEK: Someone should have some 'splaining to do about stealing a jumper, disobeying orders and all those other bad things.

ATLANTIS UNINTELLIGENCE OF THE WEEK: Leaving McKay alone with the Replicator was asking for trouble. Fortunately, he's improved somewhat and was able to avoid dying, but some backup would have been adviseable, even if it was only Beckett.

GOOD ENGINEERING OF THE WEEK: That science fiction writers have knowledge of the concept of a dead man's switch is a major step above average.

Apparently if you disobey an order but risk your life, hold back a real threat and save the life of your superior at the same time, thats okay...

I'm taking it that in the real world you would still get pulled up on the disobeying bit??? Thats no fun...

First to explain the drones:

They drones were being controlled by sight, since the sensors were not operational.
Once the jumper went underwater it could not be followed.

Nitpick: why didn't one of the geniuses on earth, McKay at the time, Dr lee, Sam(if
not somewhere fighting Ori); think to have the Asgard send one ship to hit the whole
city at once with their super sized "ARG". That way nobody would be in trouble for
disobeying orders, and there would be a working star drive to relocate Atlantis; or...
use it to kick some major Lucian/Ori/Wraith... ass.

and with the speed of Asgard ships they may have even saved some Ancients

But I suppose this would have all been to easy so the writers had to have them do things like morons the hard way.

Oh the sacrifices we make to keep the story going

From a plot point of view because the Asgard have their own things to deal with, namely rebuilding their civilisation. How often have we seen them since season 8? Not much. They could only spare one ship to help defend against the Ori in 'Crusade'.
From an outside point of view because it would be too easy. There would have been no fun if all the team had to do was wait for Thor to drop by and use the ARG on the city.

I don't know... The Asgard and the Ancients have been in an alliance for who knows how much. I bet the Asgard would be willing to have one of their ships available to save an Ancient city from occupation. And they did spare one of their ships for a simple delegation transport to Atlantis (Weir and Woolsey).

I say, these plot devices are starting to backfire a little.

If the main character got fired for disobeying orders, then the show wouldn't be fun. Jack has been disobeying orders since before COTG.

The main character doesn't have to be fired for disobeying orders, there are plenty of alternatives. Demotion, reassignment, releived of command, even it is just for a few episodes.


I don't remember Jack disobeying orders before COTG, but when he has disobeyed orders, he has usually done so to save Earth. When Sheppard has disobeyed orders in the past, it didn't work out so well, in fact it turned out pretty badly. But Sheppard has never been punished for disobeying orders, despite making a career of doing so.

This post has been edited by JC1: Jan 14th 2007, 7:57 PM

That's right, we know Sheppard has been disobeying orders when he feels it is necessary since before the show even started. They made a point of mentioning it bluntly in Rising.

Shep didn't do so bad when he nuked that Hive ship...