I understand that a lot of people on this board don?t like Ronon, but I find him a fascinating character. (Sexy, too, but that?s not the point.) This episode showed him in such a different light than the little we usually get to see him.

Here, he was willing to atone for something that wasn?t his fault but the Wraith?s, and for people not only stupid enough to believe the Wraith, but who were going to kill his friends as well as him all for revenge. (Which I don?t generally have a problem with, but these people were obviously delusional to trust a Wraith.) The flashbacks showed a lot not only of Ronon?s life pre-runner, but his civilization as well.

I have a lot of questions about the planet, actually, such as why the Wraith ?allowed? Sateda to advance so far, much further than just about any other planet we?ve seen thus far, and if there are other planets out there with their high level of technology. Also, the Wraith in charge was a male. That was a change, though they didn?t explain it ? where was the hive queen? Was there a queen on this ship, or was the guy just another leader like the queens we?ve seen? (The male Wraith leader, who desperately needed a name as do all Wraith, reminded me of General Chang from Trek 6.)

So many questions unanswered, and I hope that this season will show more on this menace that the Wraith are supposed to be, rather than the nebulous evil they?re often portrayed as. The Wraith video technology is pretty cool, too.

There was a lot of insight into everyone?s character, actually. Teyla, whom I always like to see more of, tried to grow out of her limited role, and the conversation between she and Sheppard was enlightening about not only her feelings toward Ronon and her team, but Sheppard?s as well. Sheppard showed that he?s more than the sarcastic fool he?s been playing but that he has few friends and considers his team more important than many things on Earth.

Strangely enough, it seems as if Sheppard is just as socially awkward as McKay, but covers it better. Again, great insights into everyone?s character. McKay knew where Ronon was from when Sheppard didn?t, and was willing, in his own McKay way, to go after Ronon for some strange friendship/camaraderie thing. Even Beckett joined in the fun.

I just finished watching this eposide. It was completely stupid. The action scenes were amatuer and the acting was bad. I would of sent the Wraith to Ronon's homewolrd myself just because of the bad acting from them. Who ever wrote this eposide should be offered up at a Wraith buffet as the Golden Corral.

The episode wasn't that bad. But let's be honest, the acting is rarely Oscar winning, isn't it?

One thing I'd like to say though, in regards to the first poster, was that I didn't find the episode insightful to their characters ... I found it contradictory. We are being told and shown one thing about these characters, then we are seeing evidence to the contrary. It is confusing, and I think it is a common flaw in the both Stargate's series script-writing. Fictional characters should not be that complex and contradictory.

It was alright for me, I guess? Did anyone else notice Sheppard's leather jacket, were they trying to make him look cooler? I thought it was just something he was wearing on Atlantis but then he wears it when they go to rescue Ronon, Idk whether I like it or not, I think he should just stick with the old jacket.

I liked this episode. Just yesterday people were in this forum complaining that its the "John Sheppard Show" and now they get to see developement of other characters. It was cool to see that Ronin losing his wife and his friends to the wraith.

I would liken those particular wraith to another alien race... the Predators. They find a target that they are interested in, and they hunt. It was kinda cool to me, I always liked the predator movie. I thought they coulda made a series of one guy continually escaping from them.

I didn't even notice the jacket until I read your post while watching the end of the 2nd airing. I liked how they finally showed some of Ronon's past. While watching the episode, I couldn't help but think 'why look for ways to fight the Wraith, just send Ronon after them'.

Excellent episode!

I went when Sheppard tried to get mushy with Teyla. And was McKay wearing lemon boxers?

I liked Shep's cool leather Jacket. While watching Pegasus project, I just kept thinking over and over how the SGC's space fatigues (the black ones) looked way better the the Atlantis uniforms.

This post has been edited by JTMAG1: Aug 5th 2006, 1:30 AM

I noticed in this Ep too that the Wraith just killed all those people on that planet, you'd think they'd want to capture them to feed on since there's a human food source shortage in the Pegasus galaxy?

Not necessarily, it seemed to me that this Wraith just wanted carnage... he seems the type that really likes carnage. He was willing to sacrifice about... 35-40 Wraith just for his little war game?

I'm sure if his mom was there she'd be saying "You know there are Wraith out in the galaxy who are starving?!"

This post has been edited by Gate Jumper: Aug 5th 2006, 1:59 AM

He probably murdered his mother for power. It would explain his possession of a Hive.

I was about to say that in my last post!

Ok now that was the best SGA episode ever made. It rocked from the first moment to the very last. I so did not expect the jumper to come like that near the end.

Those fight scenes were not amateurish. They fu**ing ROCKED!!!!

I love how much Ronon cared for his fellow team member enough to slash his own throat. Something not easily done. I love the back story on him. His anger was palpable.

Robert Cooper where the fu** have you been? Both written and directed by him. He did a bang up job. If they keep them coming like this SGA may indeed turn out better than it has fared so far.

To the person who thought the character when against what we have previously been shown you obviously do not understand humans. Often it is the ones like Shep who do not have a strong center often cover it up by being the opposite. Indeed McKay and Shep seem to be socially awkward. I loved this episode. Teyla even was breaking out of the deep rut the writers have put her in. It was great to see her break out.

MacKay and Beckett fighting over who gets to be the hero. Who would have thunk it.

That cheif was the dude that played the post master/telegraph operator on "Dr Quinn: Medicine Woman" I was so shocked to see him. He did a masterful job in the role.
The warehouse that got blown up was the same warehouse used in the XFiles game. That was extra cool!

This post has been edited by Auntie Em!: Aug 5th 2006, 4:37 AM

So, am I the only one who laughed so hard that she was crying when McKay took an arrow in his butt?

I liked it and although I know it was a Ronon episode and supposed to be mostly serious, I was laughing half the time.

I do think some of the fight scenes left much to be desired, not all, just a couple.

For me, McKay, again, stole the show.

OMG, greatest episode of Atlantis EVER!!!!

I so much enjoyed McKay's "little" experience around his back... Ronon's past and present on Sateda rocked... great fighting scenes, great story. McKay and Beckett figthting on who ever gets to be Rambo was also terrific. And the way Ronon was ready to take his own life just for Shep and Teyla to be OK... As well as Shep considering Weir, Teyla, Ronon and McKay his family.

This episode (just like Auntie said) ROCKED!!!!

BTW, why did this particular hive had that guy instead of a queen? Pretty strange...

WOW! That was a great SGA episode I loved the action scenes, the way the story unfoled , the fight scenes and then the flashbacks... It really did put Ronan in a different light , they should make more episodes like this. Loved how Beckett saved Ronan's life and then got a big hug for that
Mckay did it again, he was hilarious with his childish behaviour over his wound. Finally they got some cool clothes for Teyla. She looked great. Her little chat with Sheppard made me curious about his reasons for being so lonely....

nice one!

I loved it when Ronon killed the Wraith and then taunted the monster king wraith.

Good ep

Nope. LOL. My friend and I had to pause his DVR so we could laugh and not miss anything. Then we rewound it and watched the scene again and laughed for another 5 minutes. Hearing McKay scream at that pitch is priceless.

We also had to pause it during the scene where McKay was high on Morphine. That scene was hilarious.

This episode was really enjoyable and well done. IMO, this is one of the best Atlantis episodes to date.

It was nice to see Dan Payne back as the main Wraith bad guy in this episode.

About time they got rid of those stupid Star Trek colour coded uniforms. I like the plain black much better.

Leather for Shep? Me likey!!!!

I loved the arrow in the butt and McKays hight pitched whines of pain!!!!!

Also the Wraith viewing screen was SOooo a rip from SeaQuest DSV's!!!!! That in itself made me scream each and every time I saw it.

I am not a big Atlantis Buff. I watch it usually because I want to respect the whole Stargate Universe. But most of the time I find Atlantis to be quite a pestering show. I guess you could say I'm just a bigger fan of what is 'original'.

HOWEVER....

THIS EPISODE WAS FANTASTIC!

Ronan is never given enough props in this show, and he always looks like he's just out to kill the Wraith and little else. In this episode, it's obvious he has deeper feelings, and cares about making things right and making amends with his past and what he has done. That is respectable. And what great Characterization for the Ronan. That is just amazing. We have been with this character for a season now, and I felt like we barely knew him, but now we see him in a new light, and I enjoy that.

The camera work was great. The flashback sequences definately showed the chaos, confusion, and probably almost surreal atmosphere that must have clouded Ronan's planet when the Wraith attacked. Ronan's acting when he was pulling the glass out was amazing, and well coorindated with the flashback sequences. This episode gets a perfect 10 for editing in the finishing room.

And, let's face it...McKay with an arrow in his ass is simply FANTASTIC.


Perfect 10 to Atlantis. They definately scored A LOT better episode than SG-1 this week.

And that's saying a lot coming from me.

Now I'm kinda glad that last week's ep wasn't good like this. If this had been last week's ep and now last week had been now, it would have been a big SG letdown for me. SG1 was good, but not as good as last week, and this week SGA blew last week out of the water, so I was still highly entertained when it was all said and done.

I thought that maybe this predator killed the Queen, or maybe it's like a right os passage ship, where they send wraith to train from time to time. And then they go back throughout the ranks.