I thought that it was a good episode.
Although the Satelite must have been orbiting quite far out from the planet.
Im surprised it took about half a day (15 hours)? to get to the Satelite if the planet is roughly the same size as Earth.

Those little yellow flies were smaller than what the SG team encountered? So maybe a new speicies?

I agree. Personally, I think SG1's season 1 is a lot better than those of Atlantis. The storylines were far more interesting, new discoveries at every turn, and I definitely like the characters and the team a lot more in SG1.
I'm worried that maybe they are running out of stories to tell, as Atlantis and SG1 are very similar in nature although under different cicumstance.

That was never proven, they always speculated on this and we just took it up as true. It could also be that the Ancient's illness weakened them too much to defend themselves against the Wraith properly - and the attacks made never allowed them to truly concentrate on a cure.

Actually, the Ancient's of Atlantis didn't carry the disease. They were the last of the healthy Ancients, and left for Pegasus to start over, again. The Ancients that stayed behind either died of the virus or ascended.

i'm not sure if i remember correctly but in Window of Oppertunity (sp?) it was the sick ancients in the galaxy which earth is in tried to keep turning back time in order to either find a way to get rid of the virus or to stop it from happening.

The ancients in the earth galaxy were sick...and later on wasn't it the ancients in the pegasus galaxy got a plague?


anyhow, i have no idea what i am talking about.


This was a kind of plain episode, Ford seemed to be pushing it, trying to get something out, trying to be macho.

I just ::cough:: downloaded ::cough:: this episode and quite like it cause it didnt have Teyla in it... There should have been more Ford though... they should develop his character better... ANYWAYS, Sheppard was great, Mckay was hilarious as usual and that Gall guy was predictable, it was obvious with mckay ranting about needing to help or whatever, that he was going to kill himself.
Thought it was a little too convenient that Weir had a gut feeling about them being in trouble, and i totally dont see what the problem is with using the same characters as SG1... i didnt even realize it was the Nyan guy until i read all of your posts....
i give this episode 8/10 (losing 2 points for not enough Ford and two minutes too much of Teyla)

They had said Wraith ship, most people would have a gut feeling and they hadn't gotten into communication with the Atlantic base, so obviously something must have happened.

it was not obvious that Gall (however you spell it) was going to kill himself, i actually think he killed himself because he was in pain, did not want to live older than his years and he was obviously in a lot of pain.

yeah he was in a lot of pain, but i think he also didnt want to be the reason that Mckay wasnt able to go and help out Sheppard (who was a lot more alive and healthy than Gall was). I thought it was predictable... especially after Sheppard told Mckay to give him a gun. Usually characters that are in only one episode die.

Good point about the gut feeling/wraith ship thing (i think i would be uneasy about my team searching a wraith ship too)... but it hadnt been time for them to check in yet when she was sending ford and a team. She said it was just as a precaution.

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I agree. It was predictable. There are many instances where you should never give a gun to a certain someone - and this was one of them.

There were many decisions flaws in this episode that makes me not like it very much. It's a Wraith ship! They don't know that much about it, and Shepperd and McKay thinks it's okay to go in with just 1 military and 3 scientist???

I seem to always question the decision making abilities of the Alantean team.

I'm not sure though - from reading the spoilers for the second half of s8 it sounds like it's gonna be a fantastic half serason, something like the second part of season 5 or 3. I agree that I connected more to SG1 in season 1 than Atlantis... But it might have to do with the fact that exploring the galaxy was still new in season 1 for SG-1. Atlantis is in a very big problem with it, befcause just like exploring the glaaxy feels old in season 7-8 episodes of SG1, it feels old already in season 1 of Atlantis. I think they have to have a lot more general idea of a line-up, some kind of a guiding idea to the entire show, that would "un-tire" the episodes. Something like the entire Ancient thing that got blown up full scale from The Torment of Tantalos til Atlantis... but unlike SG1 where it was an idea buildiung up on another idea, they have to have some sort of an outline now. Of cou8rse random exploration episodes could also be amusing when written properly... but unlike SG1 they can't build up the entire show on that.

That would actually explain -and fix - the timeline. Although it doesn't explain what happened to the Ancients who went back to the Milky Way after being defeted by the Wraith... I guess we'll just have to wait and see in the next seasons...

I'm quite sure they said the Ancients were defeated by the Wraith or realised they can't defeat them and went back to the Milky Way.

ah yes, they were beseiged for many years...finally defeated they left Atlantid.

That is true. There is still half a season left, and maybe the show is taking a slow transition of what it will become for SG1 viewers. Although I haven't read any spoilers except the sypnosis, there is one episode I am looking forward to.

The series is good and it does contain an interesting back story and history, but it still isn't great. SG1 is a great series managing to get 9 seasons even though they thought it might have ended 3 or 4 seasons ago. But at the moment, Atlantis doesn't seem to have that potential - maybe because of all the reasons you listed.

i also liked this episode it is one of the best episodes in the series

Great episode. Got me wondering what those little 'bug' aliens were, that we have just seen and those that were on 'Prodigy' on SG1. I wonder if they are anything to do with the Ancients.

So the Ancients are really called the Lantians. Kind of figures since from the Wraiths' and the humans of Pegasus point of view, they were from Atlantis. I like the fact that were are learning more about them.

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I have to say, I think this was one of the best episodes so far. Quite a lot of tension in the showdown between Sheppard and the Wraith. The only problem was that it took up so much of the screen time that other characters (Teyla, Ford, Weird) felt like guest stars!

I really liked the Wraith...so what if he was a bit stupid - he was a bit rusty, not having had much practice in the last 10,000 years! Plus, I'd probably be as aggressive as he was if I had regenerating tissue! I was a little bit disappointed that the big "difference" between him and the modern Wraiths wasn't explained. At first, I thought it might be that the longer a Wraith lives, the harder they are to kill...but that wasn't it!

To be honest, I was a little disappointed with the drone explosion at the end. Talk about weak!

Hehe, gotta love the Wraith's attitude: "Ooh! Ooh! Pretty smoke! I follow!"

Okay, so I'm being very critical in general, but I'm concentrating on the bad bits...there were lots of good bits too!

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Here's the timeline I've been following:

Ancients in Milky Way catch the plague
Last few Ancients travel to Pegasus in Atlantis
Wraith wipe the floor with Ancients
The survivors sink Atlantis, and return to Milky Way
The survivors live out the rest of their lives (passing on their genes, diluting them in the process?), ascend, catch the plague, or DIE!
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This post has been edited by Parmenides: Jan 4th 2005, 5:42 PM

But can you be sure of this. We have been told that is the case. We know that at some point the Ancients contracted the plague, but we dont know for sure if it was before they went to Pegasus.

There are quite a few topics on the Ancient timeline thing...some are harder to swallow than others! I'd never really thought about it before, but this urged me to look for some!

Hmm...a slight, possible nitpick here. Puddle jumpers travel quickly, yes? So it'd travel pretty far in 15 hours? If the Lantean solar system has only a single sun like our own, isn't it fairly unlikely that two planets so far apart would both be able to sustain life, just peachily? (ooh, peachily! )

what difference? if you are refering to why he was harder to kill, it was mentioned that it was because he had fed very recently



yeah, it was a bit weak, i'm hoping thats only because ford(or whoever fired it) didnt know exactly what he was doing, ^^



sheperd and the wraith said the nights where gonna be really chilly so that might indicate that the planet other then having a very long rotation period, is in an orbit around the sun somewhere between earth's and mars' orbits(the planet the city is on being earth like and the other being further out but still close enough to sustain life) and 15 hrs is still fast as going to the moon takes days and going to mars takes months(they could also share the same orbit around the sun but be on almost opposite sides)

Good point. I suppose that their solar system could have two life sustaining planets. Imagine the planet Atlantis is on and try to visualise its orbit around the sun. It is possible to have another planet that is in nearly the same orbit as Atlantis, but could be on the opposite side of the sun (e.g, Atlantis is at point A during its orbit and the planet they went to in this episode could be at a point B, where point B is around 180 degrees from point A) Sorry, not very well explained, but its there.

Meh, I was hoping for something a bit more grand, like some kind of insight into the evolution of the Wraith or something...haven't we encountered Wraith that have just fed before, and not made a big deal out of it? (eg Marilyn Manson in Rising) I suppose we didn't really spend a lot of time trying to kill her, and she was the first one we had really tried to kill...

As for planetary orbits, being on the opposite side of the sun is an interesting point! And nitesoul, I was assuming that the Jumper went at a speed faster than our current space rockets do!

errr this wraith has just eaten on 2 peeps..
the first one we meet has only eaten on 1... myabe thats the diff....

maybe they work by storing the lifeforce they steal... and when injured use teh lifeforce to heal.... as this wraith has just eaten for 2... he would have more leftover energy stored than the first one ... makes sense ???

With the Wraith queen, we saw her being shot, but they left the ship soon after, so we didnt see her later on. Although i find it strange that ,if she was their queen, we have only seen her once.

Some responses:

Yes, the ancient Wraith (snicker) had just eaten two people...(well, one and a half ) but how long had he been without food before that? I'd say a pretty long time, so surely that would also play a part in his ability to regenerate?

Also, wasn't the Marilyn Manson wanabee just the caretaker of that specific Wraith ship? Was she ever referred to as a queen? Isn't she dead anyway, because they blew the entire ship to kingdom come? My memory is a little fuzzy, please feel free to correct me!

As for the weak drone, I've been thinking about it, and here are a few possible explanations:

- Ford knew that McKay and Sheppard were within close proximity, and somehow "dumbed down" the explosive power of the drone. (UNLIKELY)
- Although it looked weak, it really wasn't, because it did completely obliterate the Wraith's body into NOTHING, after all! (POSSIBLE)
- A single drone really is that weak, and for larger targets, more drones should be used, a la Lost City II and Rising II. (LIKELY)

Discuss!

First thing I saw when I saw the lights was "copy". I strongly suspect the weapons platform featured in "The Seige"...

Interesting.

she was only a caretaker, i think the being a queen remark was in there but only used loosely(or sarcasticly) as she is a she and seemed to be in charge

and yes she died, she said that once she dies the others will awaken and they did just that at the end of rising II

also the ship is still there(they revisited it or was looking to see if it moved in "38 minutes") the expolsion we saw played out on the outside of the ship was only meant as a distraction to cover their escape



it was 3 am, i word things very badly when i cant sleep, what i meant to say was that comprared to our own rockets which has travel times measured in days and months, the 15 hours it took for the pj the travel to another planet is relatively fast



umm, huh?

This post has been edited by nitesoul: Jan 5th 2005, 3:12 PM