Hehe, no worries about the confusion, nitesoul!

Wasn't the hive ship from Rising just plain GONE when they revisited in 38 Minutes, leaving only a massive crater? But I see your point, it must have survived the initial explosions.

...and thanks for reminding me, the caretaker biatch DID die, and after such a little stab! Can't get much more of a fresher feeding than she had, so who knows?

parmenidas: she was also shot a couple of time by sheppard before she got stabbed.... maybe that exhausted her surplus of energy ??

i still believe that ancient wraith is tougher cos he fed on 2 peep recently...and he isn;t starving...
my reasoning..
i believe that there are at least 100 humans kept as cattle and only 2 wraiths...

now they can go into hibernation for hundred of years at a time.. lets use 200..

ship crashed for 10000 year taht means each wraith have to feed on 50 human and hibernate to survive... now assuming that the other wraith found hasn;t rotted or decayed yet, we can assume its recently done... so just maybe..

they ran out of humans and the other ancient wraith has just fed on his friend and is about to hibernate when sheppard and co arrived...

plausible ???

Meh, plausible, but I still prefer the idea of a Wraith starving for hundreds of years!

Who knows, maybe they didn't ration right away, thinking their distress signal would be picked up at the "end of the war". Was anything said about power still being intact in the human refrigeration unit? (snicker)

On the subject of the Wraith "queen": boohoo! She died after a few bullets and a stabbing, AND having just fed on Colonel Doggett? If these are the regenerative capabilities of the toughest enemy we've ever met...are they really that tough? (okay, okay, so she was quite tough! )

I, personally, hope that the caretaker was weaker than normal Wraith...it would make sense, because surely the Wraith would want to be awakened by even a small threat? Just because someone could kill the weak caretaker does not mean that the Wraith would be so easy...but from what we've seen, other Wraith are just as "wussy" as she was! (muahahaha)

And I hereby deem it acceptable for a Wraith to die due to drone impactation...they CAN destroy whole motherships after all!

This post has been edited by Parmenides: Jan 6th 2005, 4:21 AM

I enjoyed this episode, the character of McKay is definitely growing on me. he has gone from being a very annoying individual to someone who has had to "mature" and think of others. The interplay between him and Sheppard is a highlight of the show now.
Like many others, I was very surprised at the resilience of the Wraith especially when Sheppard set the trap with the grenade-type wraith thing, unless most of the force from the explosion was "diluted" (sorry, can't think of a better word) by the surrounding sand and only very little of the blast went upwards?
I was a little disappointed that the satelllite was not investigated-maybe next time?

Hee, in the middle of rewatching this episode just now, and just noticed a cheeky wee nitpick - when McKay shows Gall his reflection in the mirror, for the audience to be able to see his aged face, Gall must not have been able to himself, but the camera! Oh the whimsicality of light reflection!

Okay, so it's not really a nitpick, more of an amusing, technical sidenote!

Other things I noticed whilst rewatching:
- Weir says that they're on the other side of the solar system, which gives evidence for both orbital theories really...
- Even after McKay has explained Beckett's theory about the regeneration feed-time relation, Sheppard still says "No, that's not it," so there must have been something even specialer about this Wraith, so I wasn't wrong for getting my hopes up!

This post has been edited by Parmenides: Jan 6th 2005, 3:45 PM

parmenidas: how many wraiths have then kept around...or met..

theres only marilyn manson, steve and now this guy...

not much to say in way of being unique....

"We've" met plenty of Wraith - the Atlantis team have met even more, as quite a lot of things seem to happen "between" episodes.

That being said, we, the audience, have met Steve, the caretaker, and the defiant one, yes, but we've met plenty of soldiers and "lesser" Wraith too - these are the only "characters" we've met.

I think we're flogging a dead horse here, I say we drop this subtopic and get back to the episode as a whole...we're pretty much saying the same thing again and again. If anyone has anything fresh to add, though, feel free!

just becasue we only saw the one that was running around and that one corspe does not mean there was only a crew of 2, i mean its a pretty big ship, it just means that we havent found or the producers didnt bother showing us the rest of his eaten crew

going along that thought, i looked through the transcript and when they can upon the dead wraith sheppard also says that that feeding might not have been that long ago so thats another advantage "the defiant one"(we should give him a better name, lol, how about bob) over the other wraith we have seen(and we have seen plenty, everyone of those guards that have been shreded by our guns *ie the ones with those ugly faceplates* is a wraith too)

on another note, the wraith caretaker got stabed straight thru the chest(did he pull that gun out of her or did he just let her slump to the floor with that thing still in her?) so that may have damaged her more then she could heal(they are not invincable you know) rather then just a bullet which makes a small hole and would go in and out the other side, might also be because shes a woman(i have nothing against women and believe they are every bit the equal of men but nonetheless, *cowers away from the feminists*)

I loved this ep! I actually watched it 3 times the day after it showed. It was great the fact that Mckay has changed so much, the fact that he actually wanted to get out and help Sheppard fight the Wraith was really cool, even if he didn't have a clue what he was doing.
Plus the Wraith was cool and I loved the way he was so arrogant..as Wraith generally are..
The way that Sheppard was fighting him really reminded me of Jack O'neill, which I liked. I was convinced they were going to be exactly the same characters, and they are very similar, but I like that.
Were those little light things supposed to be like the ones from Prodigy or were they supposed to be different? And what was their significance? I thought the wraith was going to get killed by them but it didn't happen so I got kinda confused...*sorry if this has already been discussed*
And also,was the guy who shot himself previously in SG? He looked very familiar.
I didn't really like the way that they could be joking around at the end of the ep, after 2 people had been killed really nastily. But the fact that Mckay just couldn't drive the Puddlejumper was pretty funny.

a perfect example of recycling, ali

the "space bugs" should be the same as the ones that we found in "prodigy" but as they didnt fight back when the wraith started to squish them it seems that they just recycled the cg effects

and the doc that shot himself played nyan(sp?) in "new ground", since at the end of "new ground" nyan came back to earth, i dunno why they didnt just reuse the character(the character's names are different) instead of just recycling the actor and confusing us all

errr nitesoul... it may been a big ship but its function is to transport food...

you are not going to fill up your food transport with soldiers now would you,,,

o.O
no not with soldiers, but definitely with a crew larger then 2(imo a captain, a engineer, a stasis technician, one soldier/guard and a pilot/navaigator) the ship was freaking huge after all

The other Wraith bodies could have been somewhere else. Just because we didnt see them doesnt mean they werent there.

i feel ignored sometimes,

Wouldn't we say this is the weakest episode in the whole season?

I particularly like the fact that they made McKay's character evolution obvious (i.e. "You've changed, man ...").

Who was that guy that shot himself in the end, i thought he was on an sg1 ep. but i cant remember which one. does any one know?

That was Nyan from episode 319: New Ground.

I thought this was a pretty good episode, and to tell you the truth the only 'recycling' that stood out for me were the fireflies, but only because they were a major plot device in Prodigy. I too, was expecting them to start attacking the Wraith for trying to hurt their new friend (Sheppard), because it would've made more sense to me to have that be the cause of the Wraith being a nice, stationary target just when the plot needed him to be. Anyone else remember O'Neill curled up on the ground in Prodigy trying to ward off those things?

Also, I think from a writing standpoint I don't think they worked out the timeline correctly. Even if supposing that Sheppard's team arrived in the morning (hence some residual frost left from the night before)..say, even 8am planet time, even 12 hours for the puddle jumper would still make it 8PM, which is closing in on at least dusk in most places, yes? I mean, I know the Wraith said 'the days are long', but are we meant to believe that the night is only 5 or 6 hours?

I don't know why PDL decided to make it such a long trip. I mean, overdue is overdue, so why not just make the place an hour or two away and work it out that way? You can still get there in the 'nick of time' either way.

Also, when Ford was doing his 'yes ma'am' thing I had the urge to start humming an obscure "GI Joe, A Real Amercian Hero"(based on the toys) theme song. That didn't play very well. Zero personality on Francs's part, but if PDL directed him...then why the stoicism?

Onto another point. I thought the stuff between Gall and Rodney was excellent. I like that Gall points out Rodney's conflicts in his personality. He's afraid to go help, and yet he's also worried that if he doesn't it'll make things worse on all of them. I really admired the fact that Gall killed himself, wether it be because he didn't want to die a horrible death or to make it easier for Rodney to leave seemed irrelavent. I don't imagine it would be easy for a scientist to willingly put a gun to his own head and pull the trigger no matter what the circumstances.

So um, yeah....I uh..liked this episode.

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Hey....I finally know what happened to Nyan (Scientist - "New Ground"/S3/SG1)! They changed his name to Brendan Gaul, and sent him to Atlantis. I'm telling you it was him.

I liked this episode a lot. I think this my favorite SGA episode so far. I like the interaction with Sheppard, McKay, and they other scientists (Gaul & Abrams). The two geeky scientist (I mean, Daniel was never THIS geeky) were really funny. And, McKay was annoying as usual, but I think I'm getting use to it. I especially love how Sheppard and McKay interact with each other. I liked how they played off each other. Sheppard was hot as always. He is really good at what he does. I like how this episode shows off his survival skills. I thought it was cute with Sheppard and those lightning bugs, and how they kept coming back for his energy bar. Oh...and the Wraith was cool. Mean and nasty, but cool.

But, those poor scientists (Gaul and Abrams). It was painful, and heartbreaking to watch Gaul dying. That scene really brought tears to my eyes. Then, cried when Gaul shot himself. It was so sad.

This was an excellent episode with an awesome performance buy Joe Flanigan, Richard Cox, and David Hewlet.

This post has been edited by Lana_Jackson: Jan 29th 2005, 1:05 PM

oh ok now i remember who that guy was, maybe he wasnt recycled scince he was put on earth after that thing happend and he was an archeologist they sent him to atlantis.

This was for the most part a good and suspensfull episode! I give it a 7/10!

Here's my review straight from my LJ:

"Atlantis was good...I thought Sheppard made some really dumb decisions (seriously, no good can come of inspecting a crashed Wraith ship), but in the end, I was really pleased with McKay coming to try to save the day. Speaking of which, InuYasha was in this ep! Actually, Richard Cox was, but there were little instances where he sounded so much like our favorite hanyou. I was sad about what ended up happening to him. So un-InuYasha. "

After I rewatched the ep, I had to wonder: what happened to the glowy bugs? The ones that got blown up with the Wraith? Those poor things. I actually felt sorry for them. They just wanted something to eat.