I really loved this ep! Out of all the Atlantis eps so far, this has been my favorite. I taped it and didn't end up getting to watch it till after midnight. It woke me up, that's for sure! I was on the edge of my seat, and got really into it! Great ep!

Peta

I do not understand why you feel this way. If Jack/Sam/Daniel/Teal'c were in Atlantis, it would be Stargate SG-1, not Stargate Atlantis.

I know you miss them, I do too, but you did not feel the same about SG-1 in the 1st season (be honest now). It takes many episodes to develop characters, please keep this in mind. The new spin-off is the chance for new actors to get their shot at the Stargate franchise. Of course I am still wishing it had been Lt Elliot, Haley, Grogan (sp?) etc. to take us into a spin-off. The writers went in a different direction than I wanted, but I still am a fan of what they are doing.

We have 8 seasons of SG-1, it can't keep going on like this, actors want to do other stuff and not get pidgeonholed into 1 role their whole lives. I can't blame them. How would RDA feel is he were STILL doing Maguyver to this day ?

I thought it was pretty good too.

But I've got a question. Why did they show a scene of the bug still alive right before it got sucked into space? You'd think they'd do something like that if it was going to attack and not let them open the hatch or something. But they showed it moving around in the bag and then ZIP... right out the back.

Do you think they might do something A La Nemesis where you see one replicator survived Thor's ship crashing? I doubt it, but really... why waste the screen time on something that didn't affect anything or anybody at all? What was the point?

Why?

That is why. So that you would think, "Oh no, that bug is going to attack Ford and everyone is going to die because the bug will stop them from openning the hatch!"

Good episode I'd give it 7 out of 10 but I'm to lazy to write more I'm tired from work.

This felt like a really orginal episode to me, and is the first that really felt apart from SG1.

Love McKay - he carries the show. However some part of me was convinced that it was the chocolate that he was eating that was going to kill the bug!!! I think I need help and watch too much sci-fi and fantasy!!!

What do you mean? No one from SG-1 went to Atlantis. lol. It was a combination of civilians and people from Stargate Command. The two groups are working side by side, securing the city - and in 38 minutes they were working together to come up with a solution for the team stuck in the gate.

Brilliant episode in my opinion! The entertainment quality was certainly there in the form of climax and anti-climax, I of course can't forget the tension because there was a lot of it throughout the episode.

Overall I would give it 8 out of 10, i just can't wait to see what the writers do with Atlantis next.

On a final point I just thought I speak about the anti-Atlantis comments. Somebody on the "anti" side said that Atlantis was designed to get younger audiences; well looking at some of the comments it must have because they are clearly over exaggerated with negatives, in other words childish comments.

I am aware that this could be interpreted as the same, however i felt compelled because i feel awful when an episode so good as this is ripped to pieces for no good reason.

I have to ask when you watch the episode do you just look for problems all the way through? And do you have any knowledge of dramatic content?
Some people need to grow up quickly and really need to stop trying to destroy Atlantis because they are ever so ?loyal? to SG-1.

See a show for what it is!


This post has been edited by Felger: Jul 31st 2004, 5:33 PM

I meant the production crew, not the characters of the story. Brad Wright's writing last night was blah.

Ya, I got that too. I was wondering what was up her ass? He didn't even necessarily have to be by the gate when they came in, but if it blew up a bunch of people, that would be bad. He wasn't really thinking of HIS ass. Were the writers doing something weird to be visited again in the future?

I would say to give it some time for the relationships in the show to come around. The whole thing about a relationship is that it takes time to develop them. If you remember SG-1 in the first year, there wasn't much in the way of relationships formed yet, and the episodes, while entertaining, were no where as good as say in year 4.

I would actually say that these first few episodes of SGA are better than the first few of SG-1.

This post has been edited by bigjohn_1972: Jul 31st 2004, 11:07 PM

The major problems Atlantis has that's turning a lot of people off:

1. The characters - the women actors are horrible. Some people don't like the men but so far they're all not clicking. SG-1 clicked automatically. That's important to a new show.

2. The chemistry - there's no chemistry between the characters. That's enough to say on that subject.

3. The storylines - so far none of them are original. This pass episode was better but that bug on Sheppard's neck was so silly!

I'd change some of the cast so that the chemistry's there between the characters. Also, better writing's needed. This writing isn't good enough for a first season show.

All that I have to say is that I really liked the episode. Plus I think it was pretty original. I don't understand why the bug was a silly idea, it has kind of been done in SG-1 after all
As for Weir being either assertive or abusive, she may have been little harsh with the guy. But honestly if you are in the middle of a life-threatening emergency & somebody comes and complains about having their ego hurt how would you respond! After all he was the only one that was addamant that the rescue should not be attempted.
The same goes for Teyla's people, if you are rescuing somebody from a fire and all of a sudden members of his religius cult come and tell you that you must allow them to prepare for death the person you are trying to save! Again what would you do?
When you answer this questions. most of you will agree that at the time were the right ones...

I liked this ep...sorta....

The problem I'm seeing with Atlantis is that the main characters (Shepard, Ford, Teyla, Mckay, Weir) don't really get much of a chance to interact with each other, to develop their characters. Why? Because they aren't going through the Stargate! Sure, they get more screentime, but they don't get "alone-time" with each other on any strange new planet or anything. Their always in Atlantis doing something, and as such the focus kind of shifts off them and onto Atlantis and everyone else in it...
They can't develop on Atlantis! Sheppard can't show his personality (he doesn't really have one yet), neither can Ford...Teyla isn't doing enough ("Why, could the answer be with this rope? Why, maybe the answer has something to do with the Stargate!")...The only one whos getting to show off his personality is Mckay, but as long as they don't exercise their main plot device, the stargate, they'll all kind of fade away. Hopefully they'll get themselves on their feet soon...I think a lot of people who don't like Atlantis now will begin to like it once it begins exploring...

Anyway, onto the ep:

It was interesting. It dealt with (sort of) the problem a lot of people were voicing, namely the size of the ships, etc.
It's interesting to see Mckay be himself, and I continue to think that Francks is a great actor.
Teyla has nothing to do. She seems invisible almost, unimportant. Sheppard is nice, but he isn't being used to the full of his ability. None of them are.

I was kind of hoping they'd go through the Gate (like SG1 did on its 3rd ep), but I still have hope, cause the first few eps of SG1 weren't all that great either. We'll see.

I think Weir showed a great deal of restrain when it comes to that guy. Seriously: Many people are going to die in less than half an hour, and this guy is whining because she hurt his ego? He's wasting precious time and, if this were real life, they could easily have died in there because of him. I would have sent him to the Wraith - they'd have more use for him that we do!

This post has been edited by SlavsyaRossiya: Aug 1st 2004, 2:31 AM

I thought this ep was pretty good! Atlantis is continuing its good run for me and I liked the fact they touched on the whole 38Minute Stargate thing and didn't change it since it was in the Pegasus Galaxy. The ep gets 7/10 for me..looking forward to next weeks eps of both SG-1 and Atlantis

My thoughts:
1. McKay is just funny!
2. This was the best episode yet - last weeks did very little for me and the premiere was do where near as good as Children of the Gods.
3. I agree with some of the points made about relationships but remember that Daniel and Jack already knew each other at the start of SG1 because of the film and it took to the end of the 1st year for chemistry to really develop - we are being a bit unfair because we are judging it against SG1 that has been running a lot longer.
4. Still a bit too Treky for me (don't get me wrong I love TNG/DS9/VGR) but thats not why I watch stargate.

SlavsyaRossiya: The only one whos getting to show off his personality is Mckay

I agree but remember he is a already existing character and has more eps to develop his character.

UNSRM

This post has been edited by UNSRM: Aug 1st 2004, 5:05 AM

I prefer this Dr Weir compared to the SG-1 Season 7 version.

Maybe it's cos I dig brunettes !!

But she can definitely look so sexy at times, almost teasing!
She and Sheppard have had many moments where she hints ever so slightly that she likes him....champagne on the first ep.

Give it time, you'll get hooked on Atlantis.

Ive enjoyed the eps so far but when I read about last nights I was cringing until I saw it ... I didnt think it was possible to make a story like that interesting and they did ... So it surprised me by being enjoyable.

meh @ Atlantis bashing ... some people are toooo stuck in their ways methinx

Well, I really enjoyed this episode of SG-Atlantis.
I thought it was much better than the first three episodes (counting the pilot as 2.)

Unlike quite a few of the posts that I have read, I think they have started the series off well. Not the best mind you, but well. What I think many people seem to realize is that if this was real, it woudl start of slowly quite liek it has. There would not be any immediate, regular travel through the gate like some are aking for. How can they start to explore the Pegasus Galaxy when they don't even know anything about teh city they live in? So ofcourse the first few episodes are going to revolve around just the city. That is completely logical, and I think they cover this properly.

Next, there is the chracters' development. This takes time. And I think the largest reason why everyone seems to really like the chracter of McKay, is that his chracter has already been developed. That is he is the only major tie in to SG-1. This isn't a bad thing either. This allows the focus to be more on him at the moment while it gives the actors that are new to the SG story time to develop and get used to it all. I think once they start going through the gate on a regular basis, then all the other chracters will start to fall into a certain perception and start to relate to one another better. And I think this episode starts to show that a little. After all not all the chracters in SG-1 got along like best pals at the start either, and rightly so.

I think that Atlantis will get progressively better as it continues throughout the season. So far I like it, and I also like that they have not jumped right into the kinds of things one would see in season 8 SG-1.

I think this episode was great, and as I said before, the best so far for Atlantis.
I really like the idea of salt water (and the key here is SALT, it seems that all these Signs people seem to forget the salt part) being a weakness to these bugs and most likely the wraith's down the road. The reason why I like this is it gives a logical reason as to 1 - why the city floats in the middle of a huge ocean and was under water in the first place; and 2 - why the legends of Atlantis here on Earth focus so much around the ocean as well.

I say give the series a chance to develope soem before being overly critical of it. SG-1 was good at first but It didn't become spectacularly great in my opinon untill the second season.



Malic

This post has been edited by Malic: Aug 1st 2004, 11:52 AM

i give it ***
i enjoyed it a lot and i look forward to the next episode. there have been 4 good episodes so far and i hope they keep it up

I thought it was pretty good. People need to remember that this is its own series as wll as an offshoot to SG-1. The writers need time to introduce the new surroundings and re-introduce those that SG-1 fans are already familiar with. More than anything right now, we need to look at the environment they're setting.

Ep 1&2: Basic intro of characters, Pegasus, Atlantis, Wraith
Ep 3: More detail of Atlantis as a city (not just a base)
Ep 4: Full team together, re-intro of "38 minute" limit, intro of other Ancient tech users

What I think is funny is that Shepard has now already died. Nobody died in SG-1 until ep 7 (8) w/ the Nox.

You have hit everything, except maybe the production issues. 38 Minutes had a lot of bad editing and tv style shooting.

Tom

I can't agree.

1. I don't think Carter really fit in well until the end of the first season, nor did Hammond.

2. I see a lot of chemistry between Sheppard & McKay and Sheppard & Weir. There's also quite a bit between the doctor and McKay.

First off, just want to mention that I don't read any spoilers for Atlantis...at all...anywhere. I used to read them for SG-1, right up to Heros, in fact, but I've discovered that I enjoy the eps so much more when I don't know what 's coming....

In that spirit, let me just say that I am really enjoying this show. Folks, for those of you who don't like it, remember that its just starting out! Watch a couple of clunkers (in terms of characters /dialogue or plots)from season one of SG1 to remember what it was like.

Also remember as far as the the 'team' thing. This isn't about a core of four people going through the gate every week with a CO and doc thrown in. Its much more of a true ensemble cast, and its very hard to try to balance that when starting out, so there are times when some characters are going to get more air time...or less time...or maybe no time...on some eps. I think the important thing is that these characters are well on their way to being really great.

Oh, and about this ep.

This was a nice intro to seeing all departments work together to save some of their own...and seeing some personality clashes at the same time. I wouldn't expect everyone to get along so early in the show, and I'm glad there is friction. My only concern (and its a small one) is the danger of them relying a little too much on McKay for the punchlines. Its very tempting to do since his character is already established. Just don't want it turning in Stargate: Mckay in Atlantis.

Anyway, I really liked it. I was very surprised, however, when I saw the arm sticking out of the gate's puddle and Ford was still connected to it. For some reason, I thought it was going to be the severed arm of one of the pilots, and had braced myself for a nice little 'ew' moment. Guess my understanding of gate travel leaves something to be desired.

Also, I really liked the use of the flashbacks in the story. They were in the right places, and had just the right effect. Again, really well done.

This post has been edited by mithwriter: Aug 1st 2004, 8:56 PM

Um, no, they probably would have just gotten wedged more tightly, or possibly damaged the jumper so severely that a hull breach would have made the 38-minute window of time a moot point. The partially retracted thrusters made the ship too wide to fit through the gate ("square peg, round hole!", and I doubt that additional velocity would have helped solve that problem. Wasn't the fellow at the controls a bit nervous about "threading the needle"? That could explain why they were flying much more slowly this time.