Where does Teyla 'superpowers' come from . .. And I lvove teyla even more . not often that you see Black woman in Scifi characters used the way they should be .

Uh, didn't you watch the episode?`

Apparently not.

The show was good, I was filled with suspense as I was waiting to see Teyla connecting to the Wraith. I liked the scene where she turned all bad, that was good. Now I'm thrilled and can't wait to see the Season Finale!!! I'm so anxious now.. as all of you are.

It was good learning about Wraith's physiology. At least we got somewhere to start on knowing where did the Wraith come from. The part when they were on the planet that Teyla wanted to go, was interesting. The best part was when Ford tried to crack up a joke but ended up not being funny, and said that he could make fun of me but not likewise lol.

First timer here.

There is alot of information in this ep.


as far as the Wraith and whats taking them so long to show up. They are all just waking up, ALL OF Them. They need to feed and get there fleet up to speed. I find it hard to belive that the Wraith only have 3 ships.

The good news for us, If we can holed the Wraith in Pegasus they starve to death.

the bad news, They eat everthing in pegasus first.

if they can't get the atlantis gate would they make it to Earth by ship in time?

my 2 cents

BTY if the Ancients did make the Wraith that would make the Wraith the childern of the Ancients. Now would the Ancients kill off there childern or just ascend?
or by the time the Ancients new what was happening was it to late to stop it?

This post has been edited by ComandStaff88: Jan 19th 2005, 1:51 PM

Hey welcome to the board!

First of all the Wraith don't have only 3 ships. They have nearly 60 ships in the Pegasus Galaxy alone. If you watched the episode Genii you would know.

Secondly Beckett only said that (in probability) that the Ancients accidently created the Wraith, there is no real answer, it's only a prediction. The Wraith, as far as we know, they don't ascend. They're just bloody hard to kill

Thanks nice to be here.

Thats makes more sents about the 60 ships, oh and i missed 3 or 4eps.(Genili, 38 min, before i sleep, and the eye,) sorry i'am not quite up to speed as it were. have to wait for them to reair.

I didn't mean that the Wraith ascend, i mean did the Wraith drive the Ancients to ascend because they couldn't bring themselfs to kill what they made in the first place. to me they seam to have the means to destroy the Wraith if they wanted to.
Alot of defensive weapons don't hear much about offensive.
Did the Ancients fight a war with the Wraith or just run away and ascend?
thats the thing thats got me thinking.
were they almost wipedout because they were all bout the defensive?


signed off till later




This post has been edited by ComandStaff88: Jan 19th 2005, 3:47 PM

if u saw the ep.. "before i sleep" u would of saw that the wraith attacked atlantis when the ancients were leaving for earth... so they did fight each other... but i believed they said that one on one the ancients could beat the wraith but in a big assault the wraith would win... if i am correct... (a bit like the tok'ra's methods)

Indeed, as probablity genetics can occur randomly. These sort of things can happen unexpectedly, and the Ancients may not have known.

In a way, it's great they have a psychologist on Atlantis especially one as hot and curved as her ...

it's not a matter of whether or not thy could destroy them...
This has been said a few times...but didn't the ancients have this guideline where they would not interefere with other cultures...even if they were about to die?
Daniel Jackson basically said the worst thing about being ascended was knowing you could do something to help others but knowing you could not.

But didn't the ancients interfere in the first place by seeding new life into a galaxy? oh though it is a lot different.

yeah thats what i was gonna say lol
they said plenty of times in sg-1 that the acended ancients had protocols they all agreed to adhere to one of which was non-interference when it comes to the issues of coporials. if they did make the wraith then that would be before they ascended and decided on this code of conduct which would make what they did before out of their hands, if they couldn't deal with it before then they can't do s*** about it now

and that whole going to earth is kinda messed cause it would take a while to get there by ship and like someone said earlier, they're gonna stop off and eat the only problem with that is that there is nothing between galaxies...jack squat nuttin. those huge chambers with "food" might last them for a while but probably woudln't work out too well cause since most or all of them have awoken, they'd be damned hungry. so either they go back to sleep or send a small group. Sending a dart through the gate wouldn't work either considering the fact that earth's gate is in a ex-nuclear silo way below ground

nice and complicated, the way i like it lol

Ok! I guess the wraith hiveships are capable of traveling to the Milkyway galaxy. Considering they can hibernate and store food, time shouldn?t be a reason why they couldn?t.

She did not extract info, she simply asked him and he didn?t keep his poker face when she asked how many lived on Earth. So my guess is that they want Atlantis, so that they can find out where Earth is and/or to get a hold of the gate.
(But do they know that this is the only gate capable of dialing Earth. If they did it should be feasible to calculate the galaxy position? don?t think they know though)

And we have seen that the wraiths have been ?above? humans? Not needing to explain them selves. So Teylas ability must have taken them by surprise?"UR GONNA DIE BITCH!" not very smart. Instead he could have just kept quiet and extracted as much intel as possible.


The ancients didn?t create the wraith they evolved on their own possible with some help. If the wraith are this advanced after 10000 years?how fast is their technology evolving or do they steel?!

The ancients seeded the worlds, but that doesn?t imply that after they ascended they should keep interfering. An ancient and an ascended is not exactly the same.

This post has been edited by anja: Jan 19th 2005, 10:16 PM

a very interesting episode, teyla is part wraith, her ability to sense the wraith is finally explained as a bleedoff of whatever mental barriers shes developed to block out the entire wraith physic network, that large beam going from the village into the sky in "letters from peg" is actually the wraith tagging a planet, perhaps to say that that feeding ground offers no resistence or that the "crop" is ready so the "supply ships" that are tagging along will collect them

and we learn more about the wraith and have a possible orgins for them, an agent introduced into a world that had those bugs instead of starting the new human life its absorbed completely by the bugs who begin to transform into what we see them as today(i wonder if they have any relation to the bugs in sg1 "bane"), but it does puzzle me as to how they could have risen to a point as to challenge the ancients, maybe after seeding the worlds in peg, the ancients in atlantis put themselves in stasis so that they could see the end result, only to come out and find that one of their worlds had become the wraith instead(in keeping with them landing on a dark world and awakening a new enemy), and that exploration team being tortured and life suked to the point that the wraith's physic abilities could gleem a small understanding of some advance techs to become the threat that they are when combined with their numbers but still remaining weak enough that the expedition team can handle them(after the experience they have from fighting the goa'uld) if they come one at a time

and the desperation of the wraith to find a new feeding ground, they know they are dying and can not sustain themselves, so now they need to find a foothold in our galaxy, i'm glad they only know about earth having a larger population and not that the whole milky way is full of life

anyway, just my 2 cents

This post has been edited by nitesoul: Jan 20th 2005, 4:24 AM

Hmm.. A decent episode, not half as bad as I expected it to be. Teyla's finally got some character depth! not much, there's still a lot of work to be done... but we finally get to see something. I'm still bothered with her not acting alien-ish at all, but oh, well, can't get anything.

How come Weir not only can read Ancient- (she was a part of SGC for 3 months - and I daresay not quite a lot afterwards they were already of to Pegasus,) - when did she have the time to learn a language it took Daniel years to figure out - and know it in so much depth that she cxan recognise Wraith is a derivative of it?! And rtead Wraith, I mean... Unless it's almost exactly the same language, or very very very similar like Russian and Polish or something, this can't be done overnight. Oh, well.

Heaps of info in this ep, although i didnt really like it (I guess i have to stray from the general consensus that it was great) because not much happened. By that I mean that there is a problem with the impending wraith attack and they have done very little to reslve it. Obviously this is being left for a huge season ending which i am really excited for. The episode was all about Teyla which i guess was neccessary as she has done NOTHING so far.

I liked the bit where it was explained that the wraith originated from ancients. It justified why they resemble humans so closely. Am i the only one who has a problem with aliens in all sci-fi resembling humans - two arms, two legs and slightly distorted facial features??

The other thing this information explains is why the ancients hadnt been prepared for an attack from the wraith. They had evolved in the middle of one of their 'safe' plannets. This makes their defeat by the wraith seem SLIGHTLY more believeable.

Also, the whole psychic connection, did that remind anyone of the Borg?

Didn't hate Weir in this episode for some reason, first time for everything.

McKay and Zelenka are hilarious.. along with Carson they r the best characters.

i think they had a translation program with them to read ancient... otherwise there is no point in going there if everything is unreadable...

i wounder if in the seasons to come... if any they have an epidsode where they find out where the wraith homeworld is

but in saying they havent done anything to stop the attack... i would believe they find a ZPM somewhere because Maj Sheppard is able to use the chair.. (u can tell by the picture on the episode list)

Well, there's a difference between figuring a language out and simply learning it. I'm certain with some help from Daniel she could have easily done it. Plus it is one of her talents, after all.

And hell, I only had 2 years of latin and I can recognize the roots many languages have in it, even read a few things in Italian or other closer languages I never had a single lesson in and I sure as hell am no linguist.. I don't see how it would be so far fetched in the case of Ancient/Wraith.

This post has been edited by Drizzt's Syn: Jan 20th 2005, 10:38 AM

well, after she left the sgc, she got moved to antarctica and spent quite a bit of time there, she could have picked it up then, remember that she already knows 5 languages

Weir knows Latin and isn't Ancient close to Latin...like it shares some of the same strands?
also, she would have studied some of the ancient language.

And I found Weir slightly...too out there this episode

I disagree with the jedi mind ticks it seemed obvious to me from the get go that the wraith had some kind of mental abilities as when the wraith lady was feeding on Sumner I believe the writers were subtlely telling us the wraith had telepathy. I mean come on as if she would speak much during the feeding process. It would have been written in to let us know she was interrogating Sumner hence the quote "How many on your world 100s, 1000s, 1000000s, MORE" or something to that effect. Id guess Sumner had some training in preventing mind control so the question is how much information was gathered before Major Shepard shot him. I find the fact the that the Wraith have woken up early and there not being enough food for them a very nice twist as it seems to show that the wraith would have eventually died out if the Atlantis expedition had not arrived though it may have taken thousands of more years to happen. The wraith hibernating for hundreds of years at a time may well be killing them slowly ie another sarcophogus sucking the souls/morality from the goa'uld.

The Wraith wouldn't have died off eventually. When the Wraith woke up too early the had to feed, but they knew that since there wasnt enough time for all their feeding grounds to reach a good population, they would run out and some wraith would die. They have to let there feeding grounds grow to a certain point in order for them all to feed.

If the Wraith were created accidently by the Ancients, you also have to think about how the Wraith got their massive ships etc?

Maybe the Wraith and Ancients were allies originally, and the Wraith turned on the Ancients? Maybe the Wraith were working for this "unknown enemy", in exchange for technology? Whatever the case, it' sure to be a great season finale, and season 2.

maybe they either had the nowledge from the humans they original beings bonded with? maybe they stole it from either the aincients or another race... just like the goa'uld...

i wounder what would happen if the goa'uld and the wraiths met each other... bloodshed or friendship... or maybe a goa'uld wraith...

The Wraith would have to die at some stage...they can't live forever.
but over hundreds of years the planets would gain more life wouldn't they...
maybe they started going too far with the culling and they bred too much and thats why they now need Earth

I have one favourite bit where Teyla under the influence of a Wraith, says in an evil sly Wraith-like voice --

"You're all so pathetic"