If I read the endless talking about how "GREAT" the Atlantis SFX are I really ask me if you people understand that it was a deliberate decision from Bridge to give Atlantis the cool pretty SFX and let Stargate SG 1 look like a piece of junk? SG1 could look as great like Atlantis if they would give the show the same budget as Atlantis!!!! And would SFX are everything the new Vin Diesel movie would have been a hit.

And my opinion about the wraith Sorry they look like something from Space 1999.

Oh and Mr. Conner there is no need to tell me not post any further, I have no intention to do it ( your "friendly little post was the only reason to do it) but I want only say thank you to you because your post helped me to go from
"maybe I will watch it " to "stay away with this crap from me".

Very sad that SG 1 will be cancelled because of it.

Uh, the Atlantis 'rising' scene was the only groundbreaking effect in television special effects in the episode. SG1 has done so much more. Go watch Revelations, Memento, Full Circle, Space Race, Ev. Pt 2, and Lost City: you'll see what I'm talking about.

For the record, its pretty much the same effects team and supervisors.

Wow! Harsh! But then again it just shows how much of a true fan of the genre you really are, if thats the way you feel about the whole genre in my opinion just go watch reruns of I love Lucy and forget about SciFi all together!

I Think that both shows are visually stunning even though the settings are totally different. "Stargate SG 1 look like a piece of junk?" Do you really watch the show or do you just post in forums like this to irritate people?

This post has been edited by RJLCyberPunk: Jul 17th 2004, 6:29 AM

......And so the polarization begins! The SG1ers vs. the Atlanteans.

All the harsh rhetoric and stubborn defenses and pit bull attacks on opinions on either show or both; all the insults; all the "you're wacko" comments; all the mutual disgust smeared all over these forums....Can't wait for the sh*t to start piling up.

And then there are the rest of us.....enjoying both shows for what they are.

None of us needs to choose sides, but, alas, there are those of us who will.

Sad, really.

I think its still a bit early to tell whether altantis is better, equal or worse than sg1 because we've had 7 seasons to become attached to sg1 and its cast whilst altantis is fresh. Personally i think altantis will be good enough to keep watching every week.

Also, are the bad people (reaths?) suppose to be the people that destroyed the ancients? That was the impression that i was getting from the first to esps but instinct tells me they're not because that means they need to be equally as advanced if not more advanced than the ancients which means finding enough people to feed on/ finding planets in other galaxies to feed on should be easy.

I found the Atlantis premiere boring. I don't know how much more succinct I could be. The characters also aren't interesting. Sheppard's very good looking and if RDA leaves SG-1 next year I'd like to see Sheppard on SG-1. I know you've got to give a show time to improve and that's what I'll probably do. I was disappointed though because the commercials for Atlantis were better than the show.

Enjoyed both the openings of SG1 Season 8 and Atlantis.I was somewhat surprised that O'Neill gave in to using the ZPM to power the gate so easily.Surely with Carter's help they could have rigged another Power Amplifier like they used to dial 8 chevrons in The Fifth Race and Point OF View.Anyway assuming the gate has burned out the ZPM they will need to find another way to use the Ancient Outpost.

The Pegasus Galaxy Gates/DHD's look much better than we've seen in the regular series,I suppose in theory each galaxy would have their own network of Stargates.

Indeed & I'm with you 100% there. But obiously some people here just don't like either show and just post to annoy the hell of everybody off.

This is I think of them:

This post has been edited by RJLCyberPunk: Jul 17th 2004, 12:35 PM

BRILLIANT Season Premiere and the visuals was every bit as good as SG-1. The Wraith looks like a good enemy and should keep them occupied throughout the show just as the Goa'uld have in SG-1. I hope however the storylines aren't the same as SG-1 e.g. SG-1 went to a place where the people were dying because of them in One False Step....I hope they don't do the same thing even if they twist the story. Anyway i'm sure that will probably not happen! lol! Love Atlantis!

In the post from Symbiotes R Us regarding Norim as Simon:
[/QUOTE]"This really bugged me! I mean, why not just use the actor who plays Apophis? Norim was a pretty major character, IMO - you can't just use the same actor (who played a well-known other character) to play some other character. To me, that was just Wrong. I mean, if he was just some extra, that's one thing, but NORIM!? "
But otherwise, while in "suspended disbelief" mode and ignoring a few cliches - I enjoyed the show a lot. I'm looking forward to the rest of the season."

I know, but isnt this a way of telling us that the Tollans are really, truly gone? I was hoping Maybe they could have been Ascended somehow. But it was cool seeing Garwin Sanford aka Norim. He looks better now than in other Sg1 episodes I've seen him in.

BUt as far as Atlantis, it was a pretty good show and I liked Sheppard, Weir and Dr Becket-he's really funny. THe rest I dont know, theyll have to grow on me BUT Dr Mckay Is and always will be Soooooo annoying. The only good scene he was in was at the end, talking with Dr Becket and leaving saying "Is there lemon in this?" while eating the stick of chicken.

Yeah PricklyPear! I agree with you regarding enjoying BOTH shows. Can we keep some openmindedness in here for crying out loud??

I thought the premiere was great!

The only thing I couldn't accept was that it was Mckay instead of Sam who was connecting the zpm to the gate to give it the extra power. I'm so used to seeing Sam do all that stuff, that if felt weird.

But I read that because of Franchise reasons Sam and Teal'c couldn't be on the show.

I liked the part when Mckay and Weir are on Atlantis and Mckay begins to dial out and he says

Mckay: "Chevron one encoded"...
Weir: "Rodney...."

And Mckay looks sheepish and dials the address quickly, which they can do because they have that cool DHD on Atlantis.

Can't wait for next week

why is it that the atlantean team can't gate back home? The gate is active...and i thought that the holigram mentioned something about some of the Ancients retreating back to earth through the gate. And if it is a power issue...how long do you think it will take to find another ZPM...the ancients left their stuff around in our galaxy...there must be a ton of stuff in the Pegasus galaxy!

Maybe, but remember that the Wraith might have took it and destroyed it. Remember how startled that other Wraith woman looked when she saw Shepards ancient gameboy thingy?
So it might be quite a while. Which is fine by me.

I really liked this, and I thihnk this new series have excellent potential. I'm going to look foward to Friday....SG1 and then Atlantis....
I don't think there needs to be any polarisation. Just enjoy both shows for what they are. Its not like someones forcing you to choose and they'll cancel whatever you dont choose, so just sit back and enjoy!

Again, because I am extremely lazy and don't feel like breaking my review into two parts, this post is going to cover the entire episode.

So, where to begin? I'll try to make this as short as I possibly can.

Likes:
The first 30 mins with Jack and Daniel--How lovely to see their bantering and eager-beaver Daniel being shot down by Jack
McKay--I LOLed when he wandered off at the end asking if there was lemon in his...what was that, a chicken wing?
Beckett
Sheppard
THE MUSIC!!--Joel Goldsmith, I've built a shrine in my room especially for you.
CGI
Siler--He didn't say much, but he always brings a smile to my face.

Meh:
Ford
Weir--Fortunately, she is starting to grow on me

Dislikes
The last hour and a half of the show
Teyla--Honestly, there's a tree outside in my yard doing a better job of pretending than she is.
Wraith--Not very scary looking, are they?
They killed off Dogget..er...the Colonel guy. See? I don't even remember his name.

I was holding off judgement on this show until I had at least seen the pilot ep. Unfortunately, it looks like this is the only episode I'll be watching. The first 30 minutes were wonderful. After that, I had more fun taking care of my ailing cat. One hour and five minutes into the program, we finally get some action. I understand that exposition is necessary, but does it have to be boring? Because that's what it was, and Urgo said it best.

Weir still doesn't strike me as a strong enough person to lead the Atlantis folks. I'm sure she'll grow a pair later on in the season, but for now, I'm thinking she's too weak.

I still don't see how the Wraith could have wiped out the Ancients. They're not that scary!

TPTB have decided to make the ship less ambiguous by giving John and Teyla some alone time. Normally I would protest, but at least they aren't two military officers under the same command.

Are the Wraith mammalian? I only ask this because the Wraith chick had boobies.

Sighs all around. This show was boring. Boring. BORING. If I ever watch it again, it'll be because of A) I decided to give the show another chance, or B. McKay, Beckett, or Sheppard have some interesing story. Otherwise, count me out of the Atlantis fandom.

Still, I can't wait to start reading the fanfiction that inevitably accompanies a tv show. I wonder if the fans can do it better. Seriously, I've read fanfics that are TONS better that what just came on SciFi last night. And don't even get me started on the slash potential of this show. I'm drooling just thinking about it.

This post has been edited by xayeidemon: Jul 17th 2004, 3:16 PM

The wraith clearly did destroy the ancients, but that doesn't mean they had to be more advanced. I mean, the replicators dang near wiped out the asgard even though the asgard are more advanced. In fact, I wonder if the ancients didn't get caught in the same technology trap that the asgard are currently in. They come to rely on technology so much that they don't know how to fight down and dirty. Can you see an ancient picking up a weapon and stabbing the queen? They seemed a little "refined" for that kind of primitive thinking, so I can see the wraith wiping out the ancients but having trouble with the more primitive, violent humans.

And unlike some people, I love Sheppard. He does have many Jack qualities including that sarcasm I love and the military tactics. However, he also makes instant connections with new people and he care about others to the point that he endangers himself and his mission (think Daniel).

I really have high hopes for the series. They have cool tech, but they don't know how to use it. Sheppard was hilarious trying to figure out how to use the scanner, and McKay insisting they were all going to be killed if the force field failed . And only about a dozen of them can use the most dangerous tech--and most of them are too nervous to use it easily. The enemy is really creepy and might even be the individuals who remembers and killed the ancients. And there are a lot of enemies. And I loved how the queen damn near drooled at the thought of earth. I see possibilities (and a lot of the humor I love)

And remember: The Wraith still haven't awoken yet (well, they have, but we haven't seen them). The people on the ship were just caretakers for those that were sleeping.
It's unlikely that the caretakers defeated the ancients, but the rest of the wraith might have been able to.

Dont judge atlantis based on the first ep...No offense, but Children of the Gods didn't really get me into Stargate. The acting was kind of offish, things were a little shaky...but thats what happens always when a new series starts. If I had been as quick to judge stargate as some of you have been to judge Atlantis, I never would've gone past that first ep and I never would have seen Stargate for what it really is.

I must admit, the only dissapointing thing I found was "his" guest appearance as this, Simon. I mean, come on! There are a ton of people out there that could have done that part just as well if not better...I never was a big Tollan/Narim fan in the first place but, this was just to blatant!

Find another guy to take his place please!

Anyway, the fact was, the first episode of Stargate Atlantis, or SG-A, was incredible, the graphic have been improved for digital scenes (it seems) immensely...and the fact that these guys going in as just a bunch of tikes toying around with technology beyond even that of the Asgard is great...it shows that technology goes way further...

The Wraith...what can I say, they're just plain freaky...we haven't learned much about them yet, or how they were able to destroy the Anchients, but we do know they are quite adept at mind powers...and advanced in much the same ways as the Anchients.

Now, if we could just find a surviving anchient from those times, ascended or whatnot, that would be great...to have a sort of mentor for the new team.

Since this was basically one big ep...

I thought it was a good solid opening for the new series. I went in with an open mind and liked what I saw. I will not compare it, on a whole, to SG1, cause if I do that, then I'll hate the show. Unfortunately, too many people are doing that and are saying that Atlantis sucks. Well, then to those people, I say go screw yourself.

Anyways, I really liked the Wraith; definitely more evil and deadly than the Goa'uld(anyone who wiped out the Ancients would be). I also thought the ships were really cool, especially the Wraith dart, that puppy is streamlined! Glad to see that the team brought some heavy firepower as seen with Sheppard's firing of that large gun.

The city looks really nice, and will be super powerful once it's up to speed; I would like to see a lot more of it. I'm glad it won't take just a naquadah generator or two to get that thing up, that would've made it to easy.

All in all, I hope it'll be a great series. No way I'd make a prediction based on the first episode. Call me at the halfway point, that would be a good time to predict how it'll turn out.

Didn't feel it was a StarTrek bastard child... if anything it's a Star Wars bastard child: "Use the force, Luke, use the force!"

Wow, what a great pilot, i thought the entire episode was well done.



As for the new gate itself, i gotto say that i like this one better than the original with the digital locks, and blue chevrons. and just the way it dialed was cool!


I definatly look forward to the rest of the first season, and beyond

You know, I also felt that this show's gonna be an SG-1 bastard, too. You'd think they'd have waited till a few seasons in before they started "homaging" their own parent show and the Stargate movie. Come on, people! What happened to originality?

Earth's history is ripe for interpretations of alien influence in human development. That's the premise that made Stargate (the movie) so interesting. That's the premise that made SG-1 so interesting. That's the premise that should make Atlantis interesting too.

The reason it may not, however, is that I'm not sold on the premise alone. Or the premise and some cool sfx. I have to be interested in the characters as well. And quite honestly, I'm not. Cliches from central casting present and accounted for.

Taken on it's own, this show just didn't impress me. In fact, I frequently changed the channel. If it were any other new program, that would mean I'd never watch it again. But because this is Stargate related I'll give it a few more chances to do something other than waste my time.

I agree with those who said it's too soon to tell. I liked the season premier of Andromeda, but it was downhill for me after that.

It seems it takes the quite a few cast members to carry off the equivalent of one RDA's humor. But they are doing it.

I can't understand why a technologically advanced "race" like the Wraith wouldn't have discovered tooth whiteners. You know, like, "takes 14 years off in 2 weeks."

This post has been edited by soma_momma: Jul 17th 2004, 8:25 PM

are you jokeing? the show was great, I cant wait for more.

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