Ares is right if you compare the show to SG1 you'll hate but if you look at like you should be doing as if it were a new series you might like it. Most of you are looking at it like its a new season of SG1, look at like its a new series. After this season of sg1 it prob wont be back and then all will have is Atlantis would rather have no stargate or Atlantis. After SG1 has done like ever good plot it will be hard for Atlantis to keep it new. SG1 is already doing an ep called Avatar which sounds similar to The Gamekeeper "they even use the same chairs from The Gamekeeper for Avatar".

I liked the series opener. Thought the sfx were great and the Wraith look wicked.

Great opener. Now lets see what we got on new information:

The Ancient: They evolved on earth some million years ago, spread through our galaxy and then one day took their whole city and moved to pegasus to explore and plant life. Everything worked fine, until they waked up the Wraith. The wrath liked the ancient as food and started raiding their planets. In my opinion the ancient had still better tech, but the wrath outnumbered them, were more aggressive and the ancient didn't know (anymore) how to fight. So the ancient submerged Atlantis and went back to earth. I think, then they started to push up the asgard and founded the great alliance, maybe to be able to one day strike back against the Wraith. But then the plague came and the ancients in our galaxy ascended or wiped out.
But nature on earth made a trick and just evolved the humans a second time (maybe with a push in that direction from the original ancients, before they died out). And now we are back in pegasus to pay some very old duties.

The Wraith: Well, they suck life-energy and sleep most of the time. I assume, that they are a very old culture, maybe older than the ancients. They didn't set up a good fight in this first episode. But hey, as it looks, the ancients are very afraid of them and didn't fought back the last thousands or even tenthousands years. So they are a bit out of training since a long long period of time.

@eolithic1500bc: "Avatar" will be no copy, but a continuation of "The Gamekeeper".

Sentinel

This post has been edited by SentinelBorg: Jul 18th 2004, 12:05 AM

ok
so it seems quite clear now that the wraiths did overpower/destroy the ancients....
wouldnt u think that when they ascended they would have paided the wraiths a little visit?

Well, the wraith only overpowered the ancients in pegasus. The one in our galaxy died/ascended later cause of the plague. And after they ascended, it looks, like they care anymore. But maybe they were also not the first species, that ascended. Just think, how old the universe is. It's very likely, that there were already other ascended beings, that forbid the ancients to interfere.

Sentinel

SentinelBorg
Yeah that sounds good like the Ancients are battleing some other ascended beings or something. Also Avatar is a different episode from The Gamekeeper they even changed the chairs a bit so peons wouldnt notice a similarity, unless of course you reading some spoilers that i dont know about.

Spacemonk
What was wrong with Atlantis. I thougth it was real good and the Wraith are awesome.

I would like to see what kind of mythology they will bring into Atlantis if they do at all. They might just create a whole new mythology to this show though, unless they delve into ancient greek mythology.

I like'd the ending when the Wraiths were going through the gate hit the shield iris. I wonder if they've ever come across that before, and if they might have a device to counter it. They also appear to be able to read minds so cant they get the GDO codes and go through the gate.

And don't always think about fighting. The ancients just ascended and there were already other beings there and said "our policy is not to interfere, so don't interfere". Maybe they even told the ancients how to ascend in the first run.

Sentinel

I'm not sure if I liked it a lot , it still has some problems

But, its disturbing to me how similar it was in many areas to Sg-1's primiere.. lemme get some points



I'm sure there are more... it just seems so errie...

only big difference I felt at the end of it was that they were having a barbeque (with what supplies and what food I have NO clue... didn't seem like they brought NEARLY enough supplies)

An improvement over the first half. I like the puddle jumper and especially the "turkey sandwitch" joke. think the shield is far cooler thasn the iris.

My sentiments precisely.

i have only one regrets that shepard should have listened to the wraith and colonel's chat about wraith feeding on the humans. i mean the audience knows but the Atlantis team do not. they should have found out what exactly the wraith are. ie that for them humans are only food and not enemy.

Oh... my....God, what a fantastic Premiere, a proper natural progression from SG-1. Shepherd and Mckay has the humour we know and love, Torri Higginson is ideal for the role of Weir and she's also a minx, she is so much better than Jessica Steen from 'The lost City'. Basically the casting director has done a great job.

On the Vamp stuff, after having a snake in your head as the main creepy shite from SG-1, lifesuckers, leeches, parasites or what ever you want to call them seems to me to be a development on the creepy shite.

One cannot be sure they didn't bring zats, just because they haven't been seen or used. But in all likelyhood I agree, I'm guessing the SGC didn't think of sparing any that were available...

Still, I do hope in later episodes the SGC ships some through to them...it would be fun watching one of those hand sucking Freaks (Wraith) get knocked out by one.

I think the comraderie between Ford and Sheppard is really appealing...as well as that of Mckay and Weir...this show is off to a great start folks!

An excellent and truly brilliant premiere, however I am going to refrain from comparing the two shows because I am not one of those people who look for problems in a show on every level. Instead I look for entertainment value and Atlantis has it in massive amounts.

Firstly i wish to comment on the humour, it was brilliantly done. Some of my personal favourites are the turkey sandwich joke, Beckett saying "I break things like this" about the command chair and of course the technology naming...so hilarious.

The diversity of the storylines that are possible is amazing and i can't wait to see how the writers use it. Overall it is a magnificent show and I shall continue to watch it along with its fellow magnificent show SG-1.

Have thought about Rising, Parts 1 & 2, some more, and what really is grating on my nerves, other than McKay, is that neither of the two key women in the show, playing the two key female leads, have any "edginess" about them.

Teyla and Weir come across as sweet soccer moms with large, sloppy families, who basically keep their cool by dipping into their secret stashes of Prozac!

They don't project any kick-ass style at all! Weir looks like an annoyed librarian, at best; Teyla's little-girl voice seems to be issuing from an SUV loaded with Girls Scouts selling cookies!

Hopefully, they'll exhibit a bit more [insert term] as this series progresses; right now, I'll take Slam-bam Sam over these two any day!

Personally reading through all of these posts I tend to perfer the lists, so here it goes:

Things I liked:

- I liked Jack and Daniel showing up giving it some grounding
- LOVED the SFX. I wish it had of been on the big screen - Atlantis was overwhelming.
- The wraith keeper lady was trey scary - very with the creepy
- Really liked the contrast of lights and darks
- Looking forward to learning more about the Wraith
- The champaign bottle was a nice touch

So, so:

- Not sure how much I like the Major
- Not sure how much I like Pipin
- Think I liked the old Weir better
- I think I'm split on the new set

Things I did not like:

- As soon as they said the Col was a Marine I knew he was dead, which sucks because I liked him
- Felt they could have given some more backstory to the Anceints (though I'm sure that will follow)
- So Daniel just found out that it was an 8 gate address just like that, eh? I felt there was more buildup at the end of season 6 to what Atlantis was. After they found the outpost on Earth they were like "ohh, this will do just fine."

What ever happened to Steen anyway? I did a search on the site, but it appears to be down.
I think Higgison is totally hot! Am I kooky? Teyla is pretty good looking too.

Would you mind if I asked just what the hell that's supposed to mean? That kind of stuff isn't called for Superboy.

Your probably misunderstanding him.
I think he means that, because he's a marine and not Air Force (as the show is based in the air force), its a TV show cliche that he'd be the one killed.

Not because he's a marine.

What SlavsyaRossiya said. Sorry if there was any misunderstanding. It was obvious to me that because he was a Marine acting in an Air Force environment that he was going to be killed off. Rather, if he was an Air Force Col and was killed of I would have been a little more surprised.

Where did they get the address for atlantis anyway? It looked like they just got it frm nowhere.

Yeah, I know what you mean... Kinda crazy isn't it?

flippin heck, i havnt posted on here for a while... anyway...the episodes...
(i'll talk bout both parts as i cbb to do 2 posts)

well, i think its generally growing on me, at first i wasnt quite sure what to make of it, i didnt want to get my hopes too high, incase it was a complete flop, but now im thinking give it time and it shud b pretty gd.

jack and daniel were wonderfully funny in the beginining, though i still cant get used to the idea of general o'neill...hmmm
i luved the squiddy weapon thing, thought that was wikid, and the guy who didnt want to sit in the chair was pretty funny.

atlantis set is quite kl, much bigger, which is always good

hmm wraith things...well kinda scary... wudnt like to meet them in a dark alley...
but they just seem like the gou'ld in the way that they use humans( for food, if not 4 slaves) and they hav healing powers, that the symbiote gives to its host, but ok, they can live forever, hmmm pretty hard to kill?!

oo thing that annoyed me, the prison doors where the ppl were kept on the wraith ship were CRAP!! ok so they kinda merged apart when the wraiths came near, but they had massive holes in them, that i could get out of!! i dunno, maybe they were electric or something odd?!

weir is also annoying me,there was this one bad line, like "be safe" after sheppard and his crew went through the gate, and i just thought " woh, cheesy!!!!" ppl just dont say that! i dont think Tori Higginson is as good an actor for weir as Jessica Steen.

luved the bit with mckay and the lemon chicken bit, thought that was wonderful- linking it with an old sg1 ep-quality!!

so yeah, ok, we'll c how the season turns out, fingers crossed !

This post has been edited by ---Qetesh---: Jul 19th 2004, 4:00 PM

do any of u know when SGA airs on sky one in the UK bcause u lot talkin bout it makin me kinda itchin 2 c it....

What a cool start to the new series!

Thank the lord they are "cut off" from Earth, they can now develop on their own without hopping back every couple of weeks for SG 1 to sort their problems out!

Yes, everything seemed kind of convenient, the way the ships were left and the equipment etc, but if you're dealing with an advanced race you've got to expect they would have made life as easy as possible for themselves.

It makes quite a nice addition having "Puddle-jumpers". I was getting sick of only having a couple of ships in Earth's fleet.

Sheppard seems to be filling Jack's shoes nicely, dry sense of humour and good wise cracks. "Gate ship 1, you don't get to name anything!"

It's a good assortment of people in Atlantis and who else can spot to potential for Dr Weir and Sheppard to take over where Jack and Sam left off?

Keep it coming, let's kick some serious Wraith butt!!!!!!!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, I'll admit it. The only reason I tuned in was because I was ticked at losing my weekly fix of SG1 and figured at the very least I'd get some Stargate through the J/D scenes.

Well...I loved it. Every single minute. Jack and Daniel were wonderful of course and I was surprised that they had so much screen time. I especially liked Daniel wanting to go to Atlantis and Jack deadpanning him with a repeated 'No'. LOL. And Jack's "For me - not so much" had me

But I found the Atlantis characters very likeable right from the initial scenes and by the time Jack and Daniel bowed out I was already very fond of them and enjoying myself immensely. The whole thing was fast paced, excellently plotted with engaging characters, funny dialogue and spooky aliens. What more could you want?

I thought the champagne was a very cute touch - one of my favourite moments. I loved the speed dial gate the Ancients had! And the Wraith ships - beautifully elegant but spooky looking and that abduction wave that vanished everyone - eep! I loved McKay starting on the 'chevron locked' procedure and Weir making it clear he should cut it out. I loved the puddle jumpers. Well...basically there wasn't much I didn't love. I could go on for hours listing favourite moments. And I will definitely be tuning in next week.

I even enjoyed the Glaswegian - who I had been absolutely dreading but who wasn't as annoying as I'd feared. I thought he was quite amusing actually.

Just one small thing - is it a universal law or something that all bad guys must clump heavily along ship corridors? I have to admit that I had been expecting the Wraiths to be kind of ethereal and that destroyed them a little for me. After those sleek ethereal ships, I wasn't really expecting them to be wearing jackboots.

But that's a petty complaint. All in all a huge thumbsup from this fan. I don't think it will ever replace SG1 in my heart - but then nothing will. But it's a good secondbest!

Big downside? Now I have to start saving up for Atlantis DVDs as well as SG1.

This post has been edited by Albion: Jul 20th 2004, 6:04 AM