Alright did anyone else notice when Shepperd and Tayla were talking to....oh crap....the main elder of the group? and aries about the whole sacrafice thing i think and tayla did somthing VERY Teal'c? she did the one eyebrow thing! i thought that was great. good episode...this one was most likely the most interesting to me..it kinda seems like the season is starting now.

Thanks for the translation "drew00149",

I'm just rotflmao!

I think i'm starting to get attached to Atlantis as much as SG1.

I dont get y the ZPM wasnt useful to us, ZPM's provide electricity...is there much more to it?

Their ZPM wasn't useful to use because it was almost dead and would be more useful to the natives. McKay said it could probably power the Atlantis shield for a few hours but that would be it.

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thanx

If you were confused about what was being said, McKay was saying the electromagnetic shield wouldn't be useful to them because it was reliant on the electromagnetic propeties of the native planet. I know I thought he was talking about the ZPM the first time.

Something Ive been wondering about is ... no one has come through the Wraith well in 500 years ... Were they talking Wraith or humans ...

If that device has only been there about 800 years at most, takin into account the Wraiths hibernation, theres a chance un ascended Ancients are about.

or even better for the Atlantis team ... humans with that level of tech/some/better understaing of it.

But I hope for teh un ascended Ancients.

Just me or did the natives at the end give up their ritual suicide just a little too easily. They had it for 500 years and even had enforced suicides. The next in line elder seem pretty bent on them. To me that was the lamest part of the episode. So they have 50% more space, what so they bump the age to 30 now?????

Other then that I enjoyed the episode but the very end part seemed to easy to change 500 years of culture and custom.

For this episode, I would have liked to see more about the sacrificial ceremony. Even if it was a 500-year-old tradition, people should be questioning the validity of such a law and lifestyle.

On the other hand, the StarGate producers clearly don't have an equivalent of the Prime Directive in Start Trek. The SGC seems pretty happy to "help" anyone less fortunate than themselves, even if that means destroying ancient cultures.

Overall, I liked the show as it developed McKay's character a little more. Teyla and Ford need more screen time, and Sheppars, is still mediocre in my mind.

What I didn't like about this episode is how it ended with "they lived happily ever after because all 12 tribes decided to throw away their beliefs in one afternoon". I know there wasn't enough time, but to have everything solved and wrapped up so quickly didn't do the show justice.

TauJin

You know, I was thinking that too. The culture of young people did seem to give up their only known way of life alittle too easily at the end. Some how, I have a bad feeling the writers were only interested in "wrapping" up the story at the end and having the team move on instead of showing the ramifications of their actions. There are alot of arguments to be had as to why their religious beliefs needed to be refuted. But, that wasn't the point of the story.

The point was having the team find these people only to discover that the technology protecting them was a ZPM they could use to power their own gate. So, do they take it and leave them defenseless ? The suicidal nature of their society is what complicated the situation for Sheppard's team. Remember, McKay was perfectly happy to take the ZPM up until it was discovered that there wasn't enough power to power the gate. But, conveniently, it was just enough to power the force field that protected the small bands of youngsters. Still, it seems to me that if that Wraith beckon started transmitting, then the Wraith will find these people anyway.

If, the Wraith can defeat the Ancients, then, they can find a way around the force field.

Nah, I thought this story was pretty sloppy. too many lose ends and too many easily solved problems. It seems to me, there are better stories to be had, by actually putting the team into sticky moral situations. Then we see what sort of people they really are.

This post has been edited by CitizenK: Aug 19th 2004, 7:56 AM

I agree with the sentiment that wrapping up the storyline like this is just plain unrealistic. More than one episode had the team "solving" the other cultures problems and everybody is just so obliging to go along with it. Also, the other villages were more than willing to end hundreds of years of traditions based on hearsay. I'm sorry, but zealous people will simply refuse to believe otherwise, regardless of the so-called proof you provide them. Anything is open to interpretation and fear has been a powerful tool used by religious and political leaders throughout history to keep their subjects in line.

I hate to bring up Star Trek TNG so often, but this issue kinda reminds me of the episode where Riker was observing pre-warp aliens and he got discovered and captured. Picard had to break the Prime Directive to get him back, but the one guy, some Security Minister, was zealously against any involvment by his people with aliens, believing they would become invaders. He even went so far as to attempt suicide making it appear Riker killed him so his fears would not materialize. A person like that, a person willing to die for what they believe in, is a very powerful obstacle to change. Recent modern events in our history have shown this as well. ok sry for going ot

This episode was entertaining. Not great...but worth watching. Its true there haven't been any real 'character' episodes on Atlantis yet; and it looks as if the first one might be about a character not even in the opening credits! Ford and Teyla definitely need more development.

The VFX for that scanner sphere thingy were...questionable.

Overall, the events didn't seem to play out logically, and WHY was it assumed that 1 of their year would equal 1 Earth year? That's even worse than everyone speaking American English. Especially after Mckay pointed out that a compass wouldn't likely work on another planet. Anyways. yeah the themesong rules.

Just okay; I give it a 3 out of 10.

Plot not terribly original -- ref. "Lord of the Flies."

I find McKay so irritating that I can't bear to watch him.

Actually found this episode just the teensy, weensiest bit BORING! I fell asleep actually....

I assume that it ended with everyone okay and the 500 years of ritual suicide problem solved in a politically correct manner.

I hate to bring up yet another comparison to Stargate, but episode resolution for Emancipation, The Broca Divide, and The First Commandment weren't exactly realistic either - they all ended with a "and everyone gave up their old ways and lived hapily ever after" ending.

Re the years: Good nitpick.

Re the American english: Bad nitpick. Would you rather we spend 30 minutes each episode translating every new language out there? Or, better yet (to be more realistic), spend entire seasons, multiple seasons, translating new episodes?

No, just OCCAISIONALLY have developed cultures speak a different language. Maybe one from Earth. Heck, I'd be happy if they spoke in different ACCENTS!

i tought that the sg1 episode was a lot better then this atlantis episode, even dough it was ok, for me atlantis is only an subalternative to sg1, not the real deal


One thing i really cant get to fit, is is the wraith really are the enermy that beat the acients.
How the hell are they so reallative easy to kill, i mean we shot one of their small ships down in the first episode, and walked into their big ships and launched a recure mission within it with ease! so we have 3 options.

1st, the acients did at some point go nox (meaning will rather die than kill a other lifeforme (in this case) they havent always been with explaines earths acients weapons, and the weapons on the puddeljuper, they have just become it at sometime, which also explaines the politics of the acented acients)

2nd the acient were horrible shots, they couldent hit a barndoor 1 foot away with a saw-off shutgun (most unluckly, this is not a humor/parady of sg1)

3rd the wraith wasent the enermy that beat the acients, remember there were no mention of that the enermy of the acient were named wraith when we saw the hologram seen, the atlantis team just asumed it were the wraith because they were the first bad gues they saw.

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One that cant work is, that the wraith inventet the virus that were infected on the acient they found frozen on earth, because the wraith use humans as lifestock, and there would no way to contole who they sould infest and who they shouldent, due to the stargate, and most viruses can lay dormant for many many years, and they can mutate and maby start killing of the wraith, so it would be stupid for the wraith to invent such an virus (yes they are good at regenerate but do they have a good imune system? (next episode mite explain this))

This post has been edited by tfwarlord: Aug 21st 2004, 11:35 AM

This was my fav. Atlantis episode~!!!

McKay was so funny with the kids and the chocolate. I was really psyched to see Lt. Ford as Aries. He's alive!!!

I think that it was so rude of the team to even consider stealing the ZPM from that planet!!! I couldn't believe the gall of McKay. He made up for it in the end though by worrying about getting the sheild working again.

When they gave Aries the chocolate for his birthday that was really funny. I can't wait for next week.

This post has been edited by stargatefreak: Aug 23rd 2004, 5:49 PM

It was during the scene as they first walked into the treehouse village - looks like it was supposed to be under some cloth - but they missed. I'm trying to get an image of it.

Got a shot of the bucket! It's below the yellow question mark. (attaching a file for my first time...)

Hahaha

thats a classic

u'd imaging that the actors would go "wait, get the plastic bucket off the scene"

An average episode. I was hoping for a bit more action. At least an attack by the Wraith. Perhaps the worst episode so far.

Mediocre at best. Everyone has pretty much covered the questionable aspects for the episode ie. ease of convincing people to let go of their culture. The only question I have is why have the inhabitants never found the generator in the last 500 years (or however many years it was)? you'd have thought that all those inquisitive children running around would know the land like the back of their hand. You're telling me no-one has investigated the old ruins or so much as touched the generator? -hidden ever so carefully under a piece of dangley plant. Just a thought

I liked this episode. It wasn't very exciting, but it was enjoyable..
I think I really seem to be enjoying the characters more than the storylines in Atlantis at the minute, it was really funny to see Mckay completely uncomfortable around those kids. I thought it was a bit mean of him not to really care about the people on the planet though.
Very disappointing lack of Beckett in this episode, and there wasn't much Weir either, but it was good to see an episode that took place almost entirely offworld, as they seem to be settling in a bit and getting more of a routine going now.
And I actually thought it was a little dark that they commited suicide. Surely, if it was a religion like Mckay said, that can't be the nicest way to die and make sure you go to eternal peace? (or whatever it was...)

It depends on the way they commit suicide really ali... besides, look at the alternative of having a Wraith make you age and die really painfully. I don't think i'd like that.

I have to say i didn't like this episode so much. There's just something about an episode involving kids running their own little settlement, ganging up on the adults who are only trying to help them, and then in the end seeing the light that i've seen too many times.

stargatesweetie, perhaps the kids did come across the generator. And perhaps they didn't have a clue what it did... after so long, i'm guessing they just learned to live with the mystery and carried on. After all, did it seem as if they were brought up to be little scientists and investigators? Most probably they did what all kids and teenagers do, concentrate on the more important things.