Details on the upcoming episode "Before I sleep" have been anounced!

This sounds like a very exciting and interesting one...there will probably many twists and turns, as we learn more about the original Ancients who inhabited the city of Atlantis!

Yes looks interesting and has an insight into the Ancients themselves

I wonder if they abandonned their time machine in our galaxy due to failure or maybe they did master it and left it when they had the answers ... looks like they eventually had the capability of time travel to fix things ... damn those ascended ones and their omnipitent ethics Can I say that and not get struck down?

All I can do is quote the Megaman sprite comic Bob and George by saying..."I hate Time Travel."

That's a good point, and yes, it seems they must have been able to transcend their previous mistakes as was shown in Sg-1's, "WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY."

Sounds like a promising episode, though I don't get why the Ancients wouldn't use a time ship and just eliminate the Wraith from ever evolving.

The Ancients weren't able to use the time machine properly. It's in the SG-1 episode Window of Opportunity (4.06). They tried to avoid their fate but it didn't work.

The time machine in SG-1 isn't the same as the time ship this episode discusses. This episode supposedly involves a ship that Weir pilots into the past so that's why I bring up the question of why the Ancients don't use it to kill off the Wraith.

... becaue they wouldnt have been allowed to ... a lot of the situations imply that the Ancients can create a situation, but if it goes bad they arent allowed to do much to fix it. The part about the continuum in the spoiler says it.

Sorry, I didn't know it. Then it's a very good question. If it works properly then it would have been very easy to avoid meeting the Wraiths or even kill them. Strange. Maybe there's something wrong with the machine too?

The only thing it says in the spoiler is that the Counsel of the Ancients did not want any further tampering with the continuum. That doesn't neccessarily imply that they cannot fix an event that didn't work out the first time. Besides, how hard can it be to travel back in time to when the Wraiths first began evolving and destroy their entire planet? That would wipe them out completely and save millions if not billions of lives.

This looks like my kind of ep!

And to answer what everyone else has been asking, why didn't they go back to kill of all the wraiths? Well when you start messing with the past, the future (our your current) can get totally f'ed!
It is a big chance in changing anything in the past, there is a thing called the butterfly effect. You change something in the past, even an insignificant thing, and then future ramifications could be profound!

What they need to do is find out a way to change the past, but somehow only in a bubble (like a virtual reality) and see what the changes and ramifications are. Then they can figure out if it is something worth doing.

Im not talking about just the spoiler, Im talking about what weve learned of the Ancients as a whole. Theres plenty they could do and dont. Theres a difference between the ascended and non ascended we know that. But the Ascended ones could have wiped out the Wraith and the Goa'uld, they could kill Anubis. The guy with the time machine could have went back just a little while and warned not to go to the planet with the Wraith.

It just seems to me that they have a set of rules and its like theyve decided everything happens for a reason and is needed to balance the universe sorta thing. Fighting the Wraith is one thing but denying their existence I think is a huge no-no and probably for the same reasons as bigjohn says ...

For example the Wraith there has kept that galaxy technologically 'sedated' if you like. The level of tech from some humans still looks better than ours. So without the Wraith there would probably be no story about Atlantis, we wouldnt be getting better tech from Atlantis and the Ancients would probably still be about and they wouldnt give us tech.

For humans from earth the Wraith have been nothing but good ...

I get the impression the writers really have a good plan on how to evolve the story and there are much interesting and insightful ideas to come!

We're lucky ones!

I'm glad they don't follow the Star Trek Enterprise path: No concept only one episode after another and see where it goes.

As of yet, yes, but they are sure to cause some problems in the near future for sure, they already are. As is seen by their scouting parties and such, things like that interupt the plans of the people of earth, and thus causes trouble.

But I see your point.

the laws of the ascended are very complicated after all they are a civilization millions of years old.
just for example justice was quick in the old times, but now the laws are getting more complicated, look at world affairs, when someone didnt agree with you before you simply rage a war, now you have to be sissy and use diplomatic ways and talk more.
so that is why we cannot understand or cannot accept their way of laws and living.
their civilization has evolved a lot more than ours.

so i guess thats why they cant kill any civilization, good and evil should be balanced.

well atleast somethings are a little clear from this episode
Ancients return to earth to escape the wraith
then the plague almost destroys everything in our galaxy
ancients re-create life in this galaxy
and then they ascend

question remains how could they re-creat life while they were dying?

Wiping out the Wraiths would have been genocide. It is morally wrong even by our human standards today. Besides, the Ancients *went* to the Pegasus system and bumped into the Wraiths. It is not like the Wraith invaded the Ancient's home world.

If a small team of human were exploring a new jungle, and one of them got eaten by a tiger, would that justify killing off every tiger on this planet?

TauJin

But that is not what happened. The ancients did bump into the wrath and in turn the wrath used the ancient tech (star gate) to defeat them, the wrath should not be compared to a human, but as a virus
That is the big picture in how the wrath defeated the ancients they fought like a virus

So it would be ok for the ancients to kill the wrath, because they wraths hole goal was to kill all the ancients in the first place,

Lets take an example from WW2, what do you think Hitler?s hole goal was, it was to take over the hole world, and destroy any and all obsession to his goal, was it alright for the allies to kick him out of power. I Think so,

And if you are now thinking that if the allies just let it happen or just killed Hitler in the beging of the war it would mess up how the world is now, you are right, for us it would, but if the ancients went and warned them self?s about the wrath it would not mess that much stuff up at all, they are already they most powerful.

(Give me you thoughts)

remember the Ishin >I think thats how its spelled< episodes where Jack sends a message into the past about never going to this planet and they dont and they end up encountering them anyway on a different planet and the same thing almost happened again.. If the ancients stoped one event from happing that they knew they chould/have survived. They risk whatever further events that happen being so far out of there control that they may not/wont survive it.. if time travel did exist changing the past would never be a good idea because at least you know wht happened and have no way to predict what would happen if you stopped any horrible event.

The Aschen and us are different. We can pretty much do anything and not get stopped, CUS WERE NOT ANCIENTS and were not using Ancient powers. Were not talking about rules that are in place for us anyways as there are appears to be little or none. Were talking about the Ancients governing THEMSELVES. It would be a different matter if an Ancient was responsible for us going back in time ...

In my opinion, time travel only belongs in shows that were created with it specifically in mind. It's what makes Star Trek so poor.

What I was saying is that maybe the ancient had the time travel rules there in place because they know that even if they fix a minor or major detail that outcome chould end up worse and if it is suffecently worse they wouldnt even have the ability to fix it because of some major distur they chould cause. Sorta the old if you chould go back in time and kill Hitler and did only to find out that because of that you ended up causing someone greater to rise in power wich increased the death toll and your grandparents were killed type thing or even if you avoid a new major disastur minor timeline changes can have major effects >because so many people didnt die there was some crime in a bar that ended up with your grandparents dead<

I don't know if u noticed that Ancients (Ascended one) was almost gods acording to the series. I comperhended it that they can do everything they wanna, but they can't do it 'cause it could "damage" the space or something like that. Actually they are separated into several groups and they have some kind of rules because of that "damage" :/. Well i noticed only 3 groups, Ancients who helping normal being to ascend and then wathing them (Ascenders), the others (those gods) who can do anything and for some purpose they watching Ascenders, and New Ascended beings. Well those people can do everything too, but they are too watched. And part I really didn't understand was why they did ascend Daniel Jackson ... Why they ascending any new people (beings) if they are soooooooo powerful ... Hope u'll understand it : )

Oma was/is helping people ascend against the wishes of the others, well most of em.

If an ascended Ancient tries to do something against the rules and makes a screw up generally the others wont fix it or allow the one that made teh mistake to correct it. Like somehow I dont think Anubis was ever sposed to be ascended, but now he is and we gotta deal wi it because of something an Ancient probably did against the rules ...