I've been reading around, and the latest theory is that the father of the baby is Sheppard's Doppleganger. The sheer mechanics of this are rather mind boggling, but it sounds like something TPTB would do. You know, have a popular "ship" realised in a sense, but not really.

I wonder - assuming this theory is factual - if that means the kid will have both wraith and ancient genes?

The episode Doppleganger has nothing to do with the Wraith.

I suppose it is marginally possible...

No, that would make her look like a bad mother and I don't think she'll like that.

This post has been edited by Winter_Lady: Oct 18th 2007, 1:34 PM

why would that make her a bad mother. for all we know it could be athosian law that if two parents aren't married that the father looks after the children. I know that that was true for the spartan males(ancient greece)although the spartans didn't really have marraige and to have sexual relations with a woman for anything but procreation was against the law(everyone was gay and I don't mean that as something bad either)

This post has been edited by lancelot2: Oct 18th 2007, 3:03 PM

The point of the storyline about McKay and Brown having a baby was to develop the character, throw something entirely new into the mix. Not to leave the baby with other people... TPTB have shifted the story to Teyla, and I hope they don't do something terrible to her.

That statement about Spartan society was fairly inaccurate... I wonder if you grasp the surprising complexity of their society, even if they abolished art early in their development... right about the time they directed their society into a war machine. They had marriage, and there was a very close between mentor and student, it was sexual in some ways, but it is not as simple as that.

I think that her pregnancy is the result of some type of experiment and the child will not be entirely Human. I don't see the baby being another Adria, I just don't see him/her being a "normal" Human child. IMO, Teyla's Wraith DNA is going to come back into play. TPTB have said the storyline is a major one for her.

I never said it had anything to do with the wraith. Why'd you write that?

- Not trying to argue, just wondering where that came from.

You said something about Wraith and Ancient genes.

Baby could get some from Teyla... but where would the Ancient genes come from? You mean "The Ancient Gene"?

Well I'd assume the ancient gene would come from the Sheppard!Doppelganger. But maybe the Doppelganger won't actually have Sheppard's genes. And even if it does, the ancient gene may not be passed on. Hence, the question of, will the baby have the wraith and the ancient gene?

Sorry if I wasn't clear.

something just occured to me if sheppard is so close to being ancient(he has the best gene we've ever seen
even better than jack) what would happen if you put him in one of those ancient repositories?
also I wonder if the reason micheal wanted to experiment on teyla was because of her wraith dna.
it would be nice to see a hybrid human/wraith that didn't need to feed on humans and would have the
abilites of the wraith as teylas child.
I wonder weither the ancients ever experimented on finding differnet sources of food for the wraith?

This post has been edited by lancelot2: Oct 19th 2007, 5:44 AM

It hasn't been said who has a stronger gene. All that has been said is both Both Jack and Sheppard have a strong gene. Given what Jack has done while using the Ancient gene, I'd say he has the stronger one.

We can't really compare. Sheppard has never come into contact with a Repository.

I'm not going to pretend like I know a lot about biology or chemistry, but how exactly can someone have a "stronger gene". Wouldn't it come down to ability more than biology? I mean, don't you just have the gene or not?

Dominant versus recessive. When RNA sequences combine to form the first building blocks of a new life, some genes have a greater tendency to be active... brown eyes versus blue, for instance.

i'd disagree jack can use his gene with concentration but sheppard doesn't need to concentrate
look at when he used the chair in antarctica he only had to sit in it where as beckett could only work
it very badly with concentration. and look at the jumper in it's good to be kingjack had to really concentrate to get it to work but sheppard used his jumper straight away when he first used one in rising part 2

The PJ in Its Good To Be King was in need of repairs.

Beckett doesn't factor into it. Jack was able to easily use the chair platforms on Tayonas and Earth. The only reason Jack looked to be concentrating was becuase he was controlling tens of thousands of drones.


Like Revan said, it needed repairs. It had been exposed to the elements for who knows how long whereas the ones in Atlantis were left fully powered and protected.

Although Jack did have some major brain altering surgery. He has able to heal Bra'tac. No doubt this would have affected his ability to use the chair.



If I can remember right, didn't Sam say that the main power source was depleted and that she had to route power from a secondary source in order to get it to work?

Something like that. She had to re-route power to get it working, and it took long enough that Jack just wanted to destroy it.

The ability to use the chair comes from the gene, not from Ancient knowledge. Jack and Sheppard have strong genes and can use it easily. Beckett had a relatively weak gene and so couldn't use Ancient technology as well as others could.
In season 3, McKay's ability to use the chair wasn't improved when he was artifically advanced, his mind was just able to work faster.

Yes but we know that having the Ancient knowledge has caused you to become more evolved (Jack getting healing powers). I'm just saying that it is quite possible that being more evolved helped Jack operate the chair more efficiently in a similar way to Daniel needing to be more evolved to operate a repository device as in The Quest.

We have never seen McKay use the chair except for this episode so we don't know how much it helped him out being more evolved.

also in mobius part 2 when jack uses the repaired pj he still has the same problem of having to concentrate to use it.I believe that when you are advanced it does help you control ancient tech because you won't need to concentrate more because of your heightened brain power after all sheppard has a good gene and was offered a place in mensa. and while jack has a strong gene and is fairly intelligent i don't quite think he's mensa material.

Jack didn't become more evolved because knowledge was downloaded into his mind. Jack is already an advanced Human (as said by the Asgard) and the knowledge downloaded from the repository allowed him to access the healing abilities of the Ancients.


You can't use Daniel becoming a Prior as a comparision. Daniel was artifically advanced by Adria and so had access to advanced abilities.


Jack was concentrating because he was activating a time travel device which allowed them to travel back to a precise date 5000 years ago.

I guess thats another way of looking at it. I was under the impression that the Ancients got healing powers and those other wacky gifts because of the state of their evolution, rather than being something that they learned to do.



I was actually referring to the part before Daniel became a prior but after he had Merlin's knowledge downloaded. Daniel only became a prior so that he could fly the Ori ship through the super gate, not so he could complete Merlin's weapon.



It almost sounds as if you need the ancient gene to get into mensa lol

This post has been edited by Dave312: Oct 23rd 2007, 1:09 AM