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lancelot2	Dec 24th 2007, 9:25 AM Post #1
Second Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 574 Joined: October 2nd 2007 Member No.: 15,443 Gender: Male	we know that soon in atlantis they will be bringing a new earth built ship in that has some asgard upgrades that have come from the database that they left for us my question is will they upgrade the apollo and the deadulus(is the deadulus still around?)with this new technollogy or not.

Dafmeister	Dec 24th 2007, 9:28 AM Post #2
General Group: Moderators Posts: 11,926 Joined: April 10th 2003 From: North Wales, UK Member No.: 1,340 Gender: Male	Possibly. It depends on what TPTB want to do. I don't like the idea of Earth having a lot of ships with advanced Asgard tech. Logically, it would be easier to upgrade an existing ship than to build an entirely new ship from scratch.

Thor2	Dec 24th 2007, 10:23 AM Post #3
Civilian Group: Members Posts: 6 Joined: August 23rd 2007 Member No.: 14,875 Gender: Male	This information is from the information of "be all my sins remember'd" on Gateworld: NEW! December 18 - "The Replicators remain undeterred in their effort to wipe out the Wraith's human food supplies, but the Atlantis team is now armed with the means to track their ships. With time in short supply, Sheppard, Teyla and Ronon rush to evacuate those human settlements which lie in the path of the advancing Replicator forces. Meanwhile, both Colonel Caldwell (Mitch Pileggi), commander of the Daedalus and Colonel Ellis (Michael Beach), commander of the Apollo, arrive from Earth. Each is in possession of Asgard-based weaponry, ready to confront an armada of Replicator ships. But Dr. McKay is not convinced that this is the best offensive and, in partnership with a Wraith scientist, struggles to create a program that will effectively shut down the Replicators for good. But the team's best laid plans are fraught with hurdles, further fueled by an unexpected appearance from Larrin (Jill Wagner), the leader of a race of space travelers not unknown to Sheppard." As you can read the Apollo and Deadalus will be upgraded with Asgard weaponry Here's the link to the info page:Be all my sins remember'd

lancelot2	Dec 24th 2007, 12:50 PM Post #4
Second Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 574 Joined: October 2nd 2007 Member No.: 15,443 Gender: Male	QUOTE(Thor2 @ Dec 24th 2007, 4:23 PM) This information is from the information of "be all my sins remember'd" on Gateworld: NEW! December 18 - "The Replicators remain undeterred in their effort to wipe out the Wraith's human food supplies, but the Atlantis team is now armed with the means to track their ships. With time in short supply, Sheppard, Teyla and Ronon rush to evacuate those human settlements which lie in the path of the advancing Replicator forces. Meanwhile, both Colonel Caldwell (Mitch Pileggi), commander of the Daedalus and Colonel Ellis (Michael Beach), commander of the Apollo, arrive from Earth. Each is in possession of Asgard-based weaponry, ready to confront an armada of Replicator ships. But Dr. McKay is not convinced that this is the best offensive and, in partnership with a Wraith scientist, struggles to create a program that will effectively shut down the Replicators for good. But the team's best laid plans are fraught with hurdles, further fueled by an unexpected appearance from Larrin (Jill Wagner), the leader of a race of space travelers not unknown to Sheppard." As you can read the Apollo and Deadalus will be upgraded with Asgard weaponry Here's the link to the info page:Be all my sins remember'd yes but it sound's like it will be anti replicator weaponary not like the energy weapons and such that the odessey has.which would be useless against the wraith.

Thor2	Dec 25th 2007, 8:30 AM Post #5
Civilian Group: Members Posts: 6 Joined: August 23rd 2007 Member No.: 14,875 Gender: Male	The anti-replicator weapons don't work anymore since the episode lifeline. And their ships are made of natural ressources and not out of replicator nanites so if they would want to capture an asuran ship they will have to damage it first and then destroy the replicators one way or another This post has been edited by Thor2: Dec 25th 2007, 8:30 AM

lancelot2	Dec 25th 2007, 12:49 PM Post #6
Second Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 574 Joined: October 2nd 2007 Member No.: 15,443 Gender: Male	QUOTE(Thor2 @ Dec 25th 2007, 2:30 PM) The anti-replicator weapons don't work anymore since the episode lifeline. And their ships are made of natural ressources and not out of replicator nanites so if they would want to capture an asuran ship they will have to damage it first and then destroy the replicators one way or another the anti replicator weapons do work only the ones they were using in lifeline wouldn't work they just need to remodulate the pulse to a new frequency like they have done before.do we don't know if the antireplicator weapons work if the sheilds are up (we do know that the ancient dakara weapon/reset machine could go through shields).

JC1	Dec 29th 2007, 12:42 PM Post #7
Captain Group: Members Posts: 950 Joined: January 13th 2003 From: Dublin, Ireland Member No.: 342 Gender: Male	QUOTE(lancelot2 @ Dec 24th 2007, 5:50 PM) yes but it sound's like it will be anti replicator weaponary not like the energy weapons and such that the odessey has.which would be useless against the wraith. Be all my sins remembered spoliers: » Click to Show Spoiler « If you look at the preview for this episode on the Atlantis website HERE, you can see that both the Daedalus and Apollo are equipped with the Odyssey type Asgard energy weapons seen in "Unending." Still, I don't they'll be as powerful as the Odysseys weapons as neither the Apollo or Daedalus have ZPM's. But at least they'll actually be able to some damage to Replcator and Wraith ships, now that they have some decent weapons.

Dafmeister	Dec 29th 2007, 7:56 PM Post #8
General Group: Moderators Posts: 11,926 Joined: April 10th 2003 From: North Wales, UK Member No.: 1,340 Gender: Male	» Click to Show Spoiler « The ZPM on Odyssey only powered the shields though. The Asgard systems were powered by the Asgard core and the other systems by the usualy Earth power generator.

Revan	Dec 29th 2007, 8:30 PM Post #9
Dark Lord of The Sith Group: Moderators Posts: 4,455 Joined: February 1st 2006 From: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.A., Terra Firma Member No.: 11,056 Gender: Male	QUOTE(Dafmeister @ Dec 29th 2007, 7:56 PM) » Click to Show Spoiler « The ZPM on Odyssey only powered the shields though. The Asgard systems were powered by the Asgard core and the other systems by the usualy Earth power generator. » Click to Show Spoiler « The ZPM powered the cloak on the Odyssey as well.

Dafmeister	Dec 30th 2007, 2:55 AM Post #10
General Group: Moderators Posts: 11,926 Joined: April 10th 2003 From: North Wales, UK Member No.: 1,340 Gender: Male	» Click to Show Spoiler « True but my point was that the Asgard upgrades were powered by the Asgrd core and not the power generator of the Odyssey or the ZPM.

lancelot2	Dec 30th 2007, 10:27 AM Post #11
Second Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 574 Joined: October 2nd 2007 Member No.: 15,443 Gender: Male	i thought that the engines were also powered by the zpm(until the asgard core was put in) and when the orii kept attacking because they could track the asgard core they switched back to the zpm.also jc1 thanks for that link the energy weapons look really cool.

JC1	Dec 30th 2007, 10:51 AM Post #12
Captain Group: Members Posts: 950 Joined: January 13th 2003 From: Dublin, Ireland Member No.: 342 Gender: Male	QUOTE(lancelot2 @ Dec 30th 2007, 3:27 PM) i thought that the engines were also powered by the zpm(until the asgard core was put in) and when the orii kept attacking because they could track the asgard core they switched back to the zpm.also jc1 thanks for that link the energy weapons look really cool. » Click to Show Spoiler « The ZPM powers more than shields anyway. We've seen it power the hyperdrive, the cloak and time dilation field. From what I understand, when the ZPM is connected, it increases power to all the ships systems. But I'm not entirely sure if that includes the Asgard weapons. From what Thor said in "Unending," I thought only the Asgard compter core was powered by the Asgard power source. I'm not sure whether that includes the weapons or not. If the weapons don't draw power from the ZPM, it means hive ships really should have no chance against Daedalus class ships.

lancelot2	Dec 31st 2007, 8:29 AM Post #13
Second Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 574 Joined: October 2nd 2007 Member No.: 15,443 Gender: Male	QUOTE(JC1 @ Dec 30th 2007, 4:51 PM) » Click to Show Spoiler « The ZPM powers more than shields anyway. We've seen it power the hyperdrive, the cloak and time dilation field. From what I understand, when the ZPM is connected, it increases power to all the ships systems. But I'm not entirely sure if that includes the Asgard weapons. From what Thor said in "Unending," I thought only the Asgard compter core was powered by the Asgard power source. I'm not sure whether that includes the weapons or not. If the weapons don't draw power from the ZPM, it means hive ships really should have no chance against Daedalus class ships. well perhaps the ships systems can be powered by both so as not to tax one power source to much making both last longer. for instance if you have all the zpms power going to the sheilds and you want to open up a hyperspace window the asgard power source would power the engines until you actually were at hyperspeed at which time the zpm wouldn't be needed to power the shields so it could power the engines instead.

d1craig	Feb 10th 2008, 10:48 PM Post #14
Staff Sergeant Group: Members Posts: 156 Joined: December 13th 2004 Member No.: 7,236 Gender: Male	i still would have like the weapon felger was working on to have been put on these ships as it seemed finished in that episode with the bounty hunters in sg1.

lancelot2	Feb 11th 2008, 9:59 AM Post #15
Second Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 574 Joined: October 2nd 2007 Member No.: 15,443 Gender: Male	QUOTE(d1craig @ Feb 11th 2008, 4:48 AM) i still would have like the weapon felger was working on to have been put on these ships as it seemed finished in that episode with the bounty hunters in sg1. that weapon was supposed to be a hand held weapon not one for a big ship like the deadulus. it probably wouldn't have the power to make much of a difference against an enemies shields so it'd probably only be good against the wraith who don't have shields.also if you remember the weapon wasn't finished as it had to many bugs for instance it would break down after only one or two shots were fired.

Dafmeister	Feb 11th 2008, 1:37 PM Post #16
General Group: Moderators Posts: 11,926 Joined: April 10th 2003 From: North Wales, UK Member No.: 1,340 Gender: Male	Felger's weapon was designed for the 302s but as he was a screw up, he screwed it up. As Lancelot said, the handheld weapon was just that - a hand held weapon. Given what the have available on their 304s now, why would they go and install a crap weapon made by a crap scientist?

d1craig	Feb 12th 2008, 9:06 PM Post #17
Staff Sergeant Group: Members Posts: 156 Joined: December 13th 2004 Member No.: 7,236 Gender: Male	because they know exactly everything about the weapon they created rather than not understanding the weapon the asgaard created. still it wouldnt be difficult to make the weapon bigger.

Dave312	Feb 12th 2008, 9:58 PM Post #18
Senior Master Sergeant Group: Members Posts: 367 Joined: September 23rd 2007 From: Australia Member No.: 15,343 Gender: Male	QUOTE(d1craig @ Feb 13th 2008, 1:06 PM) because they know exactly everything about the weapon they created rather than not understanding the weapon the asgaard created. still it wouldnt be difficult to make the weapon bigger. Its not just about making the weapon bigger. It needs to be efficient. You could make a weapon that extremely powerful but after one shot you don't have enough power to fire another would be extremely pointless.

lancelot2	Feb 13th 2008, 11:28 AM Post #19
Second Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 574 Joined: October 2nd 2007 Member No.: 15,443 Gender: Male	or if you fire it once and it breaks down too

BlackBolt	Feb 15th 2008, 3:24 AM Post #20
Civilian Group: Members Posts: 18 Joined: September 15th 2005 From: Ploiesti Member No.: 10,157 Gender: Male	» Click to Show Spoiler « Teal'c: Indeed. Ronan: You say that a lot. Teal'c: Do I? Ronan: Yes. Teal'c: I have not noticed.

lancelot2	Feb 15th 2008, 7:24 AM Post #21
Second Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 574 Joined: October 2nd 2007 Member No.: 15,443 Gender: Male	QUOTE(BlackBolt @ Feb 15th 2008, 9:24 AM) » Click to Show Spoiler « Teal'c: Indeed. Ronan: You say that a lot. Teal'c: Do I? Ronan: Yes. Teal'c: I have not noticed. why have you posted that idiotic quote from next weeks episode and what relevance has it got to the current topic of discussion? This post has been edited by lancelot2: Feb 15th 2008, 7:27 AM

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