Season 3, Episode 13 - Irresponsible
Air date: April 2007

The team discovers Lucius Lavin manipulating the people of another hapless planet, using Ancient technology to pose as an invincible hero.

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just saw it.. after 2 great episodes this one sucks.. at least kolya is finally dead and thats the end of teh shepard kolya arc... unless they bring him back from the dead..

I was quite impressed with this episode, especially because of the presence of Richard Kind as Lucius Lavin. It was an interesting and good filler episode. There was little development though... We seemed to learn nothing new of any character... exempting the exchange in the building when Sheppard wanted to rush out guns a blazin'..... Though it could be said that it was only further reinforcement of already known character traits, and that they were only filling their normal roles.

I thought the distinctly Wild West taste when Kolya was killed was nice, although not entirely unexpected. It was also fairly obvious that the shield was going to be exhausted at the inopportune moment.

We learned a little bit more about the situation the Genii and former soldiers of the Genii are in... Perhaps this is a hint at the beginning of a new story arc.... that TPTB realized the Genii could be utilized for major and minor plots.




The location they used to film this episode was quite lovely... does anybody know where they filmed, or if they constructed any sets?

KOLYA'S DEAD! I'm sad that we won't see him in anymore episodes (then again, this is sci fi), but kinda glad that they didn't drag his storyline with Sheppard on. Kudos to the way they Shep took him out quick draw style!

It wasn't too bad of an episode, wasn't really that impressed to see Lucius again though, but his ideas on how to sneak Sheppard back into the village were funny "Maybe they're scared of giants" LOL.
But I don't understand how dumping his head underwater would negate the shield since MacKay wasn't able to drink coffee or eat etc while he had it activated, I'd assume the device would only allow air to pass through? Now submerging his entire body might have work because then his oxygen would eventually run out.

I think the village was filmed in the same place as Revisions, they just layed down some grass or something.

Rodney loves Batman!

This post has been edited by magnavox: Dec 6th 2006, 11:02 PM

Dammit! Kolya was one of my favourite bad guys, it was always interesting to watch him and Shep go head to head. I honestly hoped they would keep him around a while longer.

I know they obviously couldn't keep that arc going forever but i thought that when it ended Kolya would go out with a bang having been brilliantly outsmarted by Sheppard yet again.....but this? A quick draw? What a crappy way to die.

The ep was okay....but most of the story was waaay too predictible. Definetely not one of their better efforts.

Well, how many missed opportunities in one episode?

I'm referring mainly to Sheppard. Y'know, this could have been the one episode where we get to see Sheppard a little bit out of his box, a little bit more challenged, perhaps a tad darker than the usual flyboy attitude. Nothing.
As if this wasn't the man who just 6 episodes ago tortured him almost to death. Didn't get even a smidgen of a vibe for that. What, that he wanted to kill him? He wanted that before Common Ground, too.And what busg me more - so he killed him, clean (oh, in that clichי western style... could have lived without it) - and shows nothing for it.
I don't know f it's the writing, JF, or both. But nothing seems to ever change Sheppard. Even when there are opportunities for it, the character seems to have an inner-built reset button - hell, reformatting every single episode. And it shoudln't be like that - Sheppard's gone through enough ion this season alone to merit some affect. At least some. I think the writers, directors and JF should allow Sheppard to stop play the hero and start confronting reality.


I also don't liek how it turned all of a sudden to be personal between Kolya and Sheppard from Kolya's side. I expected it from Sheppard - btu didn't sense it - but not from Kolyas. It wasn't before. Even after he shot him in The Eye, Kolya dind't take it all that personally. Okay, so he doesn;t like Sheppard - but he would't make special ops just to get him.

All the cuts between scenes (Lucious invincible - Kolya's soldiers drowning him; the team hiding - suddenely getting captured) were just aboutt he worst short cuts ever, (SG1 season 10 spoilers)...

And lastly, shame they killed Kolya. He was written compeltely and utterly cliched bad guy in here, but Robert Davi made it much less embarrassing than it could have been and the character did have potential. And some potential, at elast, to get perhaps a differnet reaction frmo Sheppard sometime in the future.

Othe than that, it wasn't all that bad.... Well, maybe because I expected it to be horrid. I actually think Irresistable was much worse. Liked Lucios coming with ideas as to how tog et the Genii out of the village (magnifying glass and duct tape! Snark.) Liked the superhero discussion at the beginning, McKay lieks Batman! Awww.
I'm pretty sure it was where they shot Revisions.... prolly some part of Vancouver? Lucious was lass obnoxious here than he was the last time, I actually kind of liked how he ripped off Sheppard's "advantures" to befuddle his admirers... And the speech for indepenadnce by that girl, which was exterme;y silly and obviuos and yet came out nice
Interesting how everyone in the team is willing to die for Meredith BTW ... mwaha. And Carson! He actually was in the episode, hooray.

Well, let's hope next week they'll come back to the rest of the seaosn 3 quality.

Exactly Vill!

I knew I recognized that set. I could see Revisions all over the place!

I thought this ep was average. It was somewhat funny, but I think they could have done more with it.

Who wrote this one?

Ha, I knew you were gonna say that... I did warn you, you know.

Before I go with what I liked about this episode, let's go with what I didn't like: Lucius, Superhero-ing, Lucius, no Weir, Lucius, Kolya's death, Lucius...

Hope they don't bring that Lucius fellow back. Yeah... I like the ending though. The poor guy not knowing about the wrecked shield and getting one nasty kick in the...

I thought that the superman could be that guy lucius who everybody liked in 1 episode...
I see that Kolya doesn't have anything better to do than hunting Sheppard on some less important planet, i would of liked seeing him taking over the geni goverment and turning them "bad" again, but this is a way to go i guess.,,

Kolya may have wanted to revenge on Sheppard, but there is also the fact that he didn't have the firepower to make a successful coup on the Genii government. He needed weapons from Atlantis to really succeed, and the key to getting them was to capture key persons from the Atlantis expedition.

They should shoot more episodes in that place. There seem to be enough they haven't shot inyet, and I'm starting to recognise differnet parts of the eternal wood

ETA: there's a maze! A maze! Now it's oficial they have to shoot more episodes htere.

This post has been edited by Pitry: Dec 8th 2006, 12:07 PM

I'm suprised there was no mention of Kolya feeding Shepard to a Wraith. Shepard wanting to just kill Kolya right out in the beginning when the village was fired invaded showed there was a good deal of resentment there. But still, just a "you fed me to a wraith" type comment would have sufficed. That seems like it would be a pretty traumatic event worth bringing up again.

Good point.

One would expect Sheppard to simply kill Kolya at the first chance. I do not think anybody would have objected to him doing so, even if it would be entirely unprofessional.

Actually, that raises a point. Wouldn't Kolya be interested in how Sheppard was still alive, and not looking any older?
A "hey, I thought you should look about 75 years old right now" or that kind of thing?

Yeah, I was kind of looking forward to seeing Kolya asking him what did he do to change his look back to normal. I know it wasn't a surprise for him to see him that way because his spies may have informed him upon seeing Sheppard, but Kolya's curiosity should have been bigger. I know there wasn't enough time for that since it was a nice draw, but...

Interesting... I would have thought they could have addressed the 'gift of life'... though, given their intelligence gathering abilities, they could already know.

If that is true, is Koyla even dead now, or did they (his followers) bring him back to another wraith prisoner somewhere and force him to heal him!

I didn't mind them finally taking out Kolya, though he was my favorite badguy. I didn't even mind the quick draw finish. What I did mind was it happened in such a lackluster filler episode. The whole episode is like, alright there's some minor problems, Lucius is back, Kolya is killed, McKay drinks some tea, everyone learns their lesson. That's how it felt to me.

the choking could be from Lucius’ not being able to breathe in oxygen instead of from breathing in water. the shield blocks liquid from getting into the body (McKay was unable to eat or drink), but if Lucius’ head was under water, then he wasn’t getting any air. i.e. the choking.
but i think there's another problem. Lucius didn’t have the ATA gene. he couldn’t activate the device so he got someone with the gene to “initiate the device” for him. but in “Hide and Seek” (season 1 episode 3), the texts that came along with the device said that it “imprints on the wearer” and that “it wouldn’t work on anyone else.” that's why when it finally fell off McKay, it didn't work on Sheppard. so since Lucius didn’t initiate the device himself, it shouldn’t have worked on him, and Sheppard definitely wouldn’t have been able to use it at the end of the episode.

Not a great episode for me, maybe because Lucius was too annoying for me, want to slap him, or strangle him. happy to see him lost his little power. Please don't come back (nothing against the actor Richard Kind).

Koyla dead, great! He was boring, totally lost the plot in common ground, not a 'good' bad guy, just bad, hopefully he will stay dead. All the Geniis are boring anyway.

I liked Koyla. He was a great enemy. Very sinister. Too bad that he is gone now. There are not many truely evil enemies in SGA. This even narrows the field that much more.

Oh for goodness sake why could they not have killed Lucias instread? He is a horrible character. Far too shallow for any real long term entertainment.

Another stupid M&M story! They should have killed M&M instead of Koyla. Now that would have made me stand and roar with laughter!

This post has been edited by Auntie Em!: Jan 23rd 2007, 3:55 PM

Well done to the dynamic duo again for such a sh*t episode. Seriously, can't M&M come up with their own ideas for episodes? It seems they can only build upon what others have written (and I use the term build very loosely).
Lucius is an annoying dumbass and they actually killed Kolya, I mean, WTF? To top it all off they ended the episode with a showdown. TPTB really need to fire these two clowns as they are going to ruin Stargate.

Well I didn't find Lucius as annoying as I did in Irresistible. Don't get me wrong, he was still annoying as hell...but not as bad as he was in the first episode.

While I think we can all agree that Kolya's death was pretty much the only satisfactory end to that arc, it shouldn't have happened in this episode - it was pure filler, and Kolya's death would have been more suited to a more serious episode. Oh well, trust M&M.

Teyla seemed a bit too human in this episode. Just an aside.

Lucius is still annoying, hope we don't see that character again. They really should have come up with a decent episode to end the Sheppard/Koyla arc.

And it would be nice to see a more serious side to Sheppard. Koyla did feed him to a Wraith again and again, I expected a little more than a lighthearted quickdraw.