Season 1, Episode 20 - The Siege (Part Two)
Air Dates - Canada: Jan 31 2005, UK: Mar 8 2005, US: Mar 25 2005

A new military contingent is sent to take command of Atlantis when the city is threatened by an impending Wraith attack.

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(This topic is for people who have seen the episode to discuss it. If you don't want to be spoiled, don't read this topic.)

yeah so season bridging TBC's suck

Great EP though, more blowing s*** up than any other stargate ep I can remember =)

Probably only SG1 722 can match that

i almost threw my remote thru the tv at the end, now we have to wait awhile to find out what happens, grr

so the countdown gets started again, in 10 minutes the city will be blown apart, the city has no more offensive weapons(did the drones come out of one of the large circles that we thought were weapon arrays?) ford is surrounded by wraith troops, telya is missing, everett(sp?) is possibly getting his life sucked out(obivous since he made a big fuss over how sumner died) cowen of the genii is possibly culled with a new leader in charge and shepperd is on his way to his heroic death, grr, cant wait

anyway, the way everett(anybody else thought he sounded girlish?) just came in and took control cuting weir out of the loop was just horrible, and unbelievablely arogent that i have trouble believing o'neill would pick this guy to be incharge, but at least shepperd stood up for her, and the whole space mine plan was dumb, why couldnt they just wait to deploy them when the wraith were closer? hasnt experience taught them yet that just its undectable by us, doesnt mean alien sensors cant see them as well? at least they also brought along a new naq gen(mark II) which means earth no longer needs a zpm, so the one on the daedelus can stay in atlantis, and the revisit to the hologram room which has a more complete record of the war was cool, and the rail guns put on a nice light show, and we got to see more of the city up close

Well so - its me for a first post this time eh? Well...

EDIT: while I was writing this stuff two people got by with a shorter text. so sad.

Just finished watching it, and well.. quite pleased and quite well..cliffhangered down to say

Ok, one for the mines to get be blown away very Soon - was clear from the beginning, worked for me.. also Col. Everett and his "sense of humour" worked quite well.. even confronting with Sheppards style..

Well, those nice CGI-Wanderings "from here to there" to show what happens in other parts of the city was nice, but a bit overused overall.. it was just repetitive.

Nice touch to bring in the Genii once again - but am I lost here or don't they have SO MUCH more they could "borrow" us then just nukes? I mean they got a fully powered ZPM not long ago! THAT is what Atlantis could need now ..

For the fighting scenes, nicely done.. and those new Railguns kick ass! hope they leave'em after the fight for some good ol point defence..

Well for the down part, as predicted by newer Spoilers, we haven't seen the Daedalus at all.. so the room is once again open for speculations what the Deadalus will be in the first place..

And - who would'nt have guessed - the Cliffhanger at the end. Well it is none at all since we already know that they can't just kill of Sheppard and be good ..

but I'm kinda thinkin how they will resolve it? Daedalus jumping in earlier than expected and beam shep out before he nukes the s*** out of these guys? or some intervention bei the Ancients maybe? (unlikely.. so many have died on the base and they did nothign, so why should they save shep.. (ok you might say because the others were only mocks with a one minute payment and the anc's read the script ..

or, as many people stated before, maybe the Asgard? Thor warping in, beaming Shep out, bringin hell freezin over the Wraith and then call Weir "Hello doctor, I'm SO glad you don't run the SGC anymore (since he wanted it be under hammonds/Oneills command in Disclosure) and so to show you my thanks I thought I just drop in so you get your Drink from Everett.."

Well if Everett is still alive that is. Didn't look so good for him did it? And what about Ford and his team of Corporal Expendable, Sergeant Insignificant and Private AimAtMe? Tune in next time when 2x01 will air which we know absolutely NO spoilers about for now ..

(is there any Idea when this will air?)


ok enough babble for now, now its your turn

This post has been edited by axg: Feb 1st 2005, 2:55 AM

yeah i'd say it's a pretty likely that the ship will exit hyperspace just in time to beam shep out

WHY WHY WHY!!!!

Why....... another 5 months til the contiuence at least... comon, please...

On the other hand this was without any doubt the BEST STARGATE EP EVER, not a doubt.. a bit over the top with those rail guns from prometheus, but still ever so great...

Cant wait... anyone else up for a breakin and entering at MgM sometime next week??

Sure thing, just pay me a flight and gimme some place to stay and I'm riiight at it

(well, would like to visit the us/can (and a gate con there), but well how to pay

Jesus tapdancing christ, no way they can just leave us hanging like this - this has got to be illegal. They coulda scrapped one of the other episodes and made it so episode 20 was the season 2 premiere - don't leave us hanging!

Seriously, god damn, I can't breathe at the moment because this was too much of a cliffhanger. Can't wait 4 months, omg. OMG.

Awsem Episode! Darts were getting absolutely shredded! (Only problem is there's half a million lol)



Genii didn't actually get that ZPM. The Brotherhood kept it and relocated it to another planet (which means the Genii nor us got it)

Only problem with this episode is: We all have to wait until later this year

ok, well just watched the episode and it was a big disappointment.

Unrealistic to the point of pulling my hair out.

the new commander comes through with no corresponding mention in sg1, the man seems like an a**hole that o'neil would never put in charge, the written orders are never opened (on screen), his rude demeanor and insistance on finding the alpha site seem suspicious (i'll go into that later), the space mines were a ridiculous idea and doomed to failure from the word go, marines shooting hand held machine guns at the lightning fast darts seems like a waste of ammo and a stupid idea, they'd never hit them.

It all seems a little coincidental that the colonel arrives just in time, brings weapons and orders from oneil (with no mention of any of this in sg1 episodes), the mark II naquata generator is a piece od s**t, the cooperation of the jennai is unrealistic they wouldn't give up their nukes (just look at the US or any other country with nukes) the new jennai commander with no explanation, no daedalus (i'm sure was mentioned in prevoius episodes somewhere sg1 / atlantis) btu not with any decent upgrades or with a mission to atlantis.

Finally he predicaments all the main characters find themselves in and the general nature of the episode speaks to me as a freaky pointless test by the Ancients to see if the humans are worthy of atlantis (too far fetched i know :-(). + WAy too much happened in 1 episode ... the wraith, the jennai, earth, all the plans, and failures, all the sacrifies by main characters ... wierd.

Well aside from all that i can't wait to find out what happens, and i'll reserve formal judgement until the end of sg1 season 8 and the new season of atlantis.

Eon Blue

ok i'm a die hard stargate fan so please don't take any of my comments to heart or badly, i'm probably just a little frustrated AT THE CLIFF HANGER. let me know what u thin of any of these issues. + i miss RDA's humour in atlantis, and dr. beckett is my fav character.

The easiest way to get out of this is to not have the nuke work, either from incompetence or because the Genii screwed em. Then our good major is pulling a die hard on a wraith ship for the next episode. I half figured Mckay was going to jump in the next jumper and follow him out.

Is anyone else as pissed as I am that Ford is going to part time? And I REALLY amd starting to hate the doctor.

As far as the reinforcements showing up at just the exact time, they pretty much knew when the wraith are showing up and used all their time to prepare. And the colonel was believable to me. He's in charge, Wier has the note. An alien death brigade is on it's way, it's not the time for small talk, it's time to bark orders and have them followed.

This post has been edited by FreshPez: Feb 1st 2005, 5:06 AM

Well, the reason we haven't heard anything from SG-1 is they are still at ep 17. Remember that on a general time line, SG-1 ep 1 happens slightly before Atlantis ep 1, same goes with SG-1 ep 19/20.

Thus, if there is any response to the info sent from Atlantis to the SGC, it will be in the next couple of SG-1 episodes. and of course (Moebius spoiler)



I don't see it unreasonable that the Genii would hand us two nukes, I mean afterall they want to test them on the Wraith; and this is a perfect opportunity to do so.

Yes it is coincidental that the reinforcements arrived when they did, but welcome to the TV world.

Daedalus doesn't really need any "decent upgrades" (a part from the upgrade that it already has - the ZPM) That's because the ZPM should more than boost the shield, and it's already shown that our weapons blow the heck out of the Wraith. Remember, the Wraith aren't that technologically superior, instead they just dump thousands upon thousands of Wraith Darts for you to play with.

As for the Mach 2 Nq Generator, I don't see it THAT unreasonable. It's not like they actually did anything too fancy to make it's output that superior to the original Nq Generators. McKay said it operates just under overloading point, where as the originals would obviously operate WELL under this point.

Edit: Fixed one of the sentences

This post has been edited by Danimoth: Feb 1st 2005, 5:15 AM

I really hated the new commander at first, but he grew on me as the episode progressed. The stuff with the Genii seemed plausible to me so that didn't bother me.
Overall this was the best episode of Atlantis yet and one of the better Stargate eps in general. The only thing that bugged me is that they didn't bring more stuff from earth. With a couple more Mark II generators they probably could have gotten the sheild running.
Oh and the reason none of this is mentioned in SG1 is prpbably because the Atlantis shows are running ahead of SG1.

I feel your pain, but first of all, dont take everything literally. Maybe oneil didn't like the guy, and would most likely die, so he sent him, or, maybe he's good and understanding that's why he sent him. He's a marine, steotypically, they have no compassion to civilian leaders. ie, weir. His attitude is very realistic [as to the viewer's eye] think about it. If he was soooo compassioned, and whipped by weir, i bet you, a lot of ppl would complain and say "it's not realistic". Eventually, after the first wave, everette understand each and everyone's role on the base. im talking about the ppl who were there the first time. Such as teyla and weir for sure. As for Rainbow, he's still a kid/pussy [no offense]. I still think that everette thinks that sheppard does not follow chains of command, as always, because that is his character. If that changes, then, it's not sheppard anymore.

Any TV shows that faces destruction, always, i mean, ALWAYS have a coincidental solution to problems! I've never seen a TV show where they all die. Scifi that is, and on the FIRST season. So, that was expected. If nothing else works, then, there must be something that could help em. Duh! SGC! Though, the genii really impressed me, and weir as well when she talked to em. It was as if it wasn't too realistic. If that was the case, i think the genii would attack atlantis, because they are arrogant and because they think they can take the wraiths with their ego and thei r unfinished prototype[ which we dont even know if it works].

For your comments to" too many things happening in 1 episode", I agree, and i LOVE it! What's better? end of season, less things happening, slow and unattractive? hehehe, think of the bang on the end of season, they want the show to keep going, so why not end the season with an amazing cliffhanger and a great, fast paced episode!

I cant wait for the next ep! i Hope next season is JUST if not, MORE interesting than this season. So far, it has been THE best episode for stargate atlantis so far! [ as for the whole Stargate thing, iunno, i have to think about it first]

Speculation for first episode next season.
if you dont wanna read, IM WARNING YOU!
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What you point out is wrong, since the corresponding mentioning you "want" will be in SG1 "Moebius", which will air in a few weeks. The problem that we See the Events that Happen AFTER Moebius several weeks before Moebius first airs is just because Canadas Tv Station Showing SGA did not give a damn about this fact.

(See that we get Atlantis from Canada these days and SG1 from SkyOne in England - they don't have synched Schedules. 1x19-1x20 is meant to air alongside 8x19/8x20 (and so on).

The Event Everett named "Some Archeologist found this ZPM in Egypt" is the Main Story Arc of SG1 Season Finale "Moebius" (See Spoiler page for more Details)



About the mentioning stuff s.o.
the Deadaulus in Fact had its first time Mentioning on Screen in this Ep, but I guess it will be mentioned "before" that in the Timeline when the corresponding SG1 Episodes air. And about the Genii giving their nukes, well Weir is first a diplomat, second got some pretty good arguments, and third - the chance of using their own nukes against them is way smaller than it would be on a planet like ours.

and again about the stuff with no mentioning on Atlantis - to be Canon with timeline, "Letters from Pegasus" would be happening somewhere in Between "Reckoning part II", which will air today.
So anything Atlantis Related would be dealt with in Threads and Moebius.




Well, Richards Humor is not there, but there is Dr. Becketts, what I really like too. For cryin' out loud, "using power"

I like the styles of both shows very much, as much as they differ.

This post has been edited by axg: Feb 1st 2005, 5:59 AM

That's a relative term, We dont know what is a lot, and what is not. Maybe there isn't anymore, maybe they sent all. Remember, SGC is not consumerist. They dont have a factory that builds MarkII naq gens. Maybe it was only sam that built em. Who knows. the fact that they brought them is good enuff. There is never enough for power to come. It's a matter of how many naq gens are available. I agree they should have sent more ppl. I agree that they should have sent more weapons. They also stated that "we will defend atlantis at all COST" that's what triggered my doubt. If that was the case, they would have sent 2x as many ppl as the original crew were sent, it was as if, only 50 ppl were sent. [and too many guns were fired upon] In the whole ep, we saw about.. 2 groups firing, and on the big scale. we saw about 12~. That is the only unrealistic thing i can think of. Wait, there's more, when they search for wraiths inside the city, they were only in groups of 2 if not 4! Which is... uh, dumb? there were many instances where it was 4v1 and they still cant beat a wraith, with guns that is. Btw. how come, they didn't use that gun to stun the wraith? Atleast 1 guy should have used it. so they can stun, and just keep shooting. Also, the wraiths died pretty quickly by mere shooting them 5-10x. LOL. other episodes, they have to blow them up, and they are still alive

oh wait, there's more. if it is at all costs, why not brg... all weapons? so earth is defenseless... hehehe im kidding, do u see what i mean now? anyways. they should have brought zats. it would have been funny as hell!

yeah, wonder if zats wouldnt be better for taking out wraiths since they can take a full P90 magazine without passing out completely.. a 3-shot-zat shouid do the trick in a sec..

OK Now Im Pissed Atlantis and BSG have to end on these ways .. I really hate the idea of waiting a long ass time to see the ending . GRRRRRRRRRRRRR but it was a good episode . I hate the idea of how they dont ever wanna cross Sg1 to SGA cause it would be plausible for the Asguard to wanna relocate a small portion of there pop out here away from the replicators and help us defend atlantis

uh, wait wait wait. explain yourself. you sorta quoted me.. but your point really didnt connect to mine.. so.. uh

Well I just finished watching the ep and well.... it was cool

Loved the special effects that were used, damn the city looks good and I love how they've made it with the ability to get just that close and still look so good (I would kill for that CG Model!).

I've seen many people saying that they thought the character of evertte (was that his name?) was aptly cast. If you think about it, they are sending in a career marine on what could pretty much be classed as a suicide mission, he's gotta be pretty close to being insane.
And remember sumner, he was a pretty big hard ass, not as full on as the new guy, but still.
I wouldn't be supprised if it ends up as an identical situation with sheppard having to make the decision to shoot him (cuz, c'mon, no one expects sheppard to die do they ), like he had to do with sumner.

As I said, I don't expect sheppard to be dead, but how he gets himself out of it... well that's yet to be determined, but I'm unsure if it'll be to do with the new ship from earth, its meant to be several days away still (or, as was my impression).

Did anyone else find it bizzar how many wraith fit into a dart? I mean, they've always looked to be fairly small ships and I thought they were only really capable of a pilot and a few prisoners, but I guess the beamed down wraith could have been in the prisoner cells or something.

I didn't really like the "Oh, btw, we've built another even bigger-assed space ship that's coming here" with out any mention of it in either SG1 or Atlantis (although, Atlantis does have an excuse as to why).
But I guess it was the same with Prometheus, just kinda popped up out of nowhere.
But I reacon the new one will have a more Asgard look to it, as compaired to the big box that Prometheus is.

Well, the one thing I find different, is that you would think that they would have 22 episodes per season like they used to (and is the generic standard)

Man I can't wait to see it, to bad I live in the US and have to wait two months, unless anyone would like to let me borrow a tape of the final two episodes?????