First info regarding 'Critical Mass', currently scheduled for Ep.14 of the new season has just been released.

This possibly gives away what happens when the second Wraith fleet arrives in 'The Siege III' & also seems to confim the bit of teaser dialogue that was released a while back. The one in 'Duet' where Shep makes a cryptic remark about their cover being blown if they are spotted by the Dart.

James wrong thread. This is Stargate SG1.

Sounds REALLY cool James. I can hardly wait for S2!

This post has been edited by Auntie Em!: Jun 21st 2005, 9:33 PM

I know, have already asked Mike to move it to the proper section.

Odin! Clean up on asile 5!

Odin and Arc are the only ones who can move in this forum. I'll forward the PM.

Awsome. That gives me time to pickon and tease James.

Oops, wrong section or not, it gives me a chance to see something about S2 of Atlantis. I just don't get to those boards very often.

Good to be back in the Atlantis spoiler page. Thanks for moving the thread.

Anyway, I knew something like that would happen, but i'd heard that either the city would sink or it would fly away. Of course, I don't know who thought that the city could fly past an armada of Wraith ships undetected, until someone said that it had a cloak. Then my question was, well why didn't the ancients use it? Surely they would have used it to hide from the wraith?

Okay, maybe they did, and the wraith found a way around it, but if that is the case, then how did the Wraith manage to find the city for the final seige (not season 1 ending, but the one where the Ancients left)? And why are they caught out by this trick? Surely they're smarter than that?

Wraith 1: Atlantis has blown up. There is no trace of it left on my scanners.
Wraith 2: Are you sure it isn't invisible?
Wraith 1: Well I can't see it, so it must be gone!

I thought the Wraith were smarter than that?
The only idea I can think of is it was a last minute addition, but the Ancients realised that it would only be a temporary solution, and so abandoned the idea. Problem with that is they were smart, and would have happily accepted a few more years to deal with the problem, or so my understanding of them went. Maybe I was wrong.

remember in 'before i sleep' there was a disagreement between the inventor of the time machine and a 'head' ancient?

maybe someone installed the cloak but the ancient PTB decided not to use it?

or the wraith fleet was over head and the device was almost completed when the order to leave was given. then the amazing scientific team of MaKay and Zelenka manage to get the device to work.

i wonder if earth had built the cloaking device from anubis' fleets wreckage or from some one else? then all they'd needed to have done is ship it over on the daedalus and the atlantis crew would install it and get it to work.

Time travel is different to cloaking. The head ancient probably wanted to avoid that which SG1 did in Mobius, affect the time line. But if they cloaked, then the city could fly from Atlantis to another planet. Remember it was the stargate in atlantis and not the planet that had the ability to return to earth. The city could have cloaked and flown anywhere, maybe even back to our own galaxy, or to IDA. The Wraith may have followed, admittedly, but if it looked like the city was destroyed, then they could have done it.
And if we can think of that, then the highly advanced ancients must have been able to think of something like it.

The idea of bringing a cloak is good, but I thought so far only people used it in the MW galaxy. How could they use it on the entire city of Atlantis? And from the fact that puddle jumpers have cloaks, it was obvious that this was something that was finished by the ancients. I'm just wondering how the Wraith knew the city was still there, but didn't realise it when the Atlantis team used it. Maybe I'm just giving them too much credit.

Cool, I can't wait to see what they find out about the city now that they have a ZPM to power everything up!
It's been while since I've seen the show, but didn't the wraith mentally connect to Teyla and figure out a bunch of stuff?

How does the Daedalus make regular trips to the Milky Way? I thought they needed the ZPM to augment the hyperdrive, but isn't it being used to power Atlantis?

I originally thought that they'd sink it, However it's definitely known that they ain't gonna do that this season.

Possibly the Ancients did try to use the cloak but perhaps the Wraith had a way of detecting the output from the HyperDrives (Basically like in ST when they follow the Warp trail), So the Ancients would have been to afraid to do this, as they would have been opening the door to a whole new fresh galaxy of potential feed for the Wraith. It's also possible that the cloak could have been damaged or incomplete & only manage to get it operational again with the help of little Hermy & McKay/Zelenka etc.



It's possible that they caught an Ancient & gained the true location from him, after torture/feeding etc. The Ancients had no option but to submerge it after the cloaked location was known.



Can't really see them having the tech knowledge to build something like that, Not to mention covering the whole of the city. It's almost certainly to me anyway, Ancient tech. That possibly comes online automatically when the ZPM is inserted or gets activated accidentally, Somebody like McKay/Beckett who are both in or around the control room, So one of them could lean on something & the disappearing act begins.



As far as we know, It's Teyla who needs to establish the mental connection first for the Wraith to take control. Teyal found out about the Wraith planning on using Atlantis to get to Earth, However that was gained from when the female Wraith fed upon Sumner. What the SGA team & Bates in particular suspect is that they know her location/whereabouts somehow or are gaining all this stuff from her without her knowing about it directly. He believed that she may be inadvertently giving away/compromisiing away missions + Locations, as when the Wraith found their original Alpha site & they had to relocate to another one. Whether this is the case or not or just pure coincidence remains to be seen.

Simple answer - Asgard tech.

The daedauls is way way more advanced than what we are used to - so maybe with the ZPM it boosted the speed from 4 weeks to 4 days...we know the Asgard can travel between IDA and Milky Way in a matter of hours - and thats between galxies too!

So maybe the 4 days was on the Daedalus' own power anyway so as to not waste the power of the ZPM.

Anyway the Daedalus can go between Milky Way and Pegasus and around Pegasus. The 302's we will bring can go into hyperspace too - only around Pegasus though.

Daedalus has intergalactic capabilities where Prometheus does not. The ZPM simply boosted it to arrive within 4 days. Under it's own power, I say to reach Pegasus from the MW it't take around 2 to 4 weeks to arrive. Peronsally I'd go for 2 weeks to arrive & a few days to resupply/make repairs/change crew etc then 2 weeks to get back to Atlantis. Posisbly double the speed of Prometheus.

The Asgard can reach Earth in minutes/hours from IDA, So not sure how long it'd take them to travel the 300 odd million light years to Pegasus. It would most likely be far quicker than Daedalus though, Of that I'm pretty certain.

Although if the Daedalus can reach it in 4 days then this can mean only one of two things, First the ZPM boosted the HD by a few 100% percent, Which I'm not sure if they could do it by such a margin & for such a considerable distance. The second choice is that we don't have the power capabilites to power the Asgard HyperDrives to their maximum potential & the ZPM was simply allowing the HD's to work close to 100%. Although it's a bigger ship, so that could mean Ion generators being installed. I'm not sure which one, but until the ep airs then it's really impossible to say at this point.

Weren't they headed to Atlantis in Prometheus Unbound? Seems like we have intergalactic capabilities in both ships, but I also suspect that it's a lot slower than when they have the ZPM installed.

Yeah I agree. I think both have the intergalactic capabilities. Promethius was just very much slower.

If the Prometheus isnt capable of intergalactic travel (travelling between galaxies) why was the SGC using it to travel to Pegasus galaxy in 'Prometheus Unbound'? Pretty much concrete evidence that the Prometheus is capable of intergalactic travel.

When I originally read his answers, Which was only around a month ago before he closed down the thread. I just assumed what he meant was that true intergalactic travel is to go from A to B without stopping. Daedalus can do it but for such a journey Prometheus would need to make a good few stops along the way. Other than that I have no idea!

Regarding the original plan that the Ancients could have attempted was, Atlantis was on a different planet before the "War on Wraith" occurred.

When the position of the city was discovered, the Ancients had sent warships to negotiate peace but also to distract the Wraith.

Using the cloaking device, Atlantis flew to its current location and uncloaked, as the Ancients believe that they don't have to worry about the Wraith, but a Wraith ship flew by, detected the city and the city became under attack, they submerge the city to prevent the Wraith from getting a target lock.

Atlantis became besieged with no hope in sight, they diverted power to shields and the whole, "Before I Sleep" storyline, deactivating other systems and left. When they got back to Earth, they entered that the last co-ordinates aka Stargate address of the city was at such and such.

But I don't know is this possible or not

But it's safe to assume that they needed a ZPM or 3 to activate other defencive systems such as the cloaking device.

EDIT: I can't wait for July!

This post has been edited by Carter-Hot: Jun 24th 2005, 11:34 AM

It's been confirmed. A Goa'uld in Atlantis.

interesting to see how they react to a goa'uld as i don't think they have anyone on the team who has experience with fighting the goa'uld



well carter-hot you'll just have to wait longer. its been announced that uk sky one won't be showing SG1/SGA untill october

He will download episodes me thinks.

Rodney has knowledge of them as does Weir, but to my knowledge no one has actually faught them. Maybe some of the military will have experience with that.