sh*t they dident have to beam them aboard, just the big ass space shiphovering over their heads, and send out a message over the speaker phones, we got nukes ready let our people go, a show of strength of that size should be enough to get them relased

You missed the entire point of my post. Try re-reading it and figuring out what the main argument was for why they didn't use the Deadalus.

Well, this was a fine episode! After the last one, I considered not watching the show anymore. It's particularily strange I liked it, considering it's not McKay-centered. He is still the main reason I keep watching SGA, but it's good to see there's more to this show than my favorite scientist.

A special mention to the "alien" cast. Teyla and Ronon were pretty cool in their roles as detectives. Ronon was funny to almost seem disappointed that he wasn't on the "most wanted" list.

There might be an explanation why Weir did not keep the shields raised after getting McKay's IDC, given that the Genii could well send a nuclear bomb through the gate:

When Baal had supposedly captured the SG1, the IDCs were assumed to be in the hands of an enemy who could gain from destroying earth, or at least the SGC, but in the case of the Genii, the possible gain from destroying Atlantis was only minimal, while they would have lost out on a chance of getting jumpers and other equipment. Using only conventional weapons, it would seem impossible for the Genii to take Atlantis in a surprise attack.

On the other hand, McKay could well have been on the run with no time to spend on discussions. Still, that Weir did not even ask was odd. Maybe she just gave up on asking after letting Talia through having had only a brief and unsatisfying communication and her being missing in action alongside Ford in "Suspicion".

I really liked the episode for the many twists it had (most were obvious, but the last one got me by surprise - very nice) and it being not an atlantified rehash of themes already explored by popular movies or SG1. I am looking forward to what the writers make out of the Genii situation, and they might be very interesting allies; though as Weir said: most coups end up expelling the devil with the beelzebub (alright, the last part is a german saying, but I do not remember the exact phrasing of Weir...).

This post has been edited by Gebosowulo: Jan 13th 2006, 5:00 PM

overall good ep, but a bit lackluster in some ways.
Not as good as the last one but better than 215 and 214 fo sure.

One question: isn't there a word in English for "coup" they used all trough the episode? I was watching it with my dad and everytime they said the damn word I had to say the meaning... again!

This episode was like a chess game, only full of wrong assumptions from the Atlantis side. The Genii scientist guy (can't remember the name) owned the game from move one. I have a strong feeling we'll hear from him again.

And I loved the Shep - McKay interplay in this episode. Their talk about possibilties of being taken hostage was hilarious as was McKay's use of military gestures and the look Shep gave him

Oh god, those Genii never learn it. Why just don't nuke the fu** out of them.

I know exactly what you mean. Even though the Atlantians never will, for obvious reason, you just can't help wanting to.

That will never happen. The Genii are a good enemy for Atlantis, it gives the writers more options when it comes to writing. The Wraith alone can only be the focus of a limited number of episodes so having the Genii as a more active enemy will help the show in the long run.

I do not think there is a word Ilzy we use that french word for it only.

Oh, but there is another english word for it: putsch.

Although I admit that it might be even more uncommon then coup. Putsch is originally a german word, btw...

Never have I heard that word. We always say coup for these situations.

Actually Coup can mean: a certain hairstyle, a bra-size and even (the fancy kind of) Icecream.

Good episode, one question though: when they headed to the complex it was a military operation....Why was Mckay there? In lot's of episodes i see him in situations that were both dangerous and anticipated, why don't they let him stay on the base then, and take (for instance) major Lauren. I Mean Daniel Jackson was at least a little bit able of defending himself, Mckay is just...hopeless. I mean he was happy with "almost"shooting the guy (funny though!), what good is he in the field..?

but like I said, good episode, I liked the plottwist at the end.

Maybe he's convinced Weir that nobody should so much as touch a ZPM other than him?

By the way this is funny.. does anyone else type Weird and then have to kill the d every type they type her name? I just noticed it again .. hehe.

Bloody hell, there actually was a coup! I was thinking, "obvious", when it appeared it was all a plot by Cowan to get the jumpers... so, pleasantly surprised htere, indeed. ;)

Nice to see Colm Meany again.... too bad it was only to get him killed. And yay, Lorne (sp?) made it! When they reported him dead, I was like.... nooooo! So yay. It was kinda obvious the B-plot is related to the A-plot, tho, so starting to pick up the threads on how revealed too much of the A plot - except, of course, for the coup. So yay. THa guy whose name I've forgotten is quite cool, tho, I hope we'd see him again.

LoL @ Ronon getting insulted he and Teyla aren't on the wanted lists. Such a blow to his ego...

All in all, amusing. Me liking Genii again.
Oh, and I wonder, whatever did happen to Kolya?

He's probably hanging around somewhere with Ford in case the writers decide to use them again. Wouldn't that be crazy? hehe

Whatever happened to that other Genii that they captured? I forget her name.

Sora, from 'The Storm'/'The Eye'? She was released back to the Genii so that they could obtain a couple of their nukes in 'The Seige'.

Did any one that didn't read any spoilers seriously not see that plot twist coming on your first time through this episode?

He was like I want guns and all the c4 you can spare... OH COME ON! what would a scientist want with guns, i mean everyone knows that scientist want everything to look fancy and godly even though a turnip can produce it.

A part from that, this was a good episode. It'd have been funnier if Ladon actually came out and asked for materials to build a nuke, and then it turns out he already has one.

Decent episode.
I'm curious but when the ZPM was flashed in front of the screen for Atlantis to observe I noticed that it was not lit. All working ZPMs are lit. Only the dead ones aren't. It's not like the lights on the ZPM have an off button to conserve energy. But why didn't they observe that it was dead? Where was McKay?
The first thing I thought was that it was dead. I saw that through two screens. Theirs and mine, so why didn't they?

When are these people going to stop listening or giving a sh*t about the Genii?
Obviously this episode was probably meant to conclude the storyline and end the feud but the way these people think doesn't fill me with confidence.

They had an entire battalion of troops as backup at that facility? That's anywhere from 300-1,000 in number.
It seems the Wraith didn't harvest as much of them the previous year as they seemed to imply. Maybe they don't taste good?

I'm glad the Big D didn't have to go in and beam them out. I'm getting tired of that rabbit out of the hat rescue tactic. It's happening too often nowadays what with the new ships.

And what is it with these people detonating nukes before they're safely away. They were barely able to get that shield up otherwise the gateroom would have been rubble. and everyone in it dead. heck it might even have sunk Atlantis. I noticed that the writers like to have close calls where the force of the nukes hit the shields. It's neat but it was neat the first several times.

Overall it was a helluva lot better than that last episode which was the worst one of the entire Stargate genre.

MYOB'
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haha. I actually had a hard time following this episode.

First an Atlantis team was dead. And then there was gonna be a coup. And then it turns out that there was a reason that the Atlantis team wasn't really dead. And then it turns out there was no coup. And then it turns out that there really WAS a coup and Colonel Shep. and his team was all apart of this coup that was supposed to happen all along, and the Atlantis team wasn't really dead, but playing a major roll in it as well.

*Sigh*

Confusing. And kinda drawn out.

I liked SG-1 better this week.

I loved this episode! One of the strongest Atlantis episodes so far this season. I really like where the Genii plotline is going. It's different than any plot they used in SG-1. This episode had great characterization, two nice plot twists (although one I sort of saw coming, the other I didn't). Beckett is turning into one of my favorite characters. They showed a great side of his personality in this episode. And I really felt like there was a larger conflict going in. They did a good job making it seem urgent and desperate. Nice nuke at the end too, even though they didn't really show it. I just couldn't help but yelling out "BOOM!" at the end.

Well I knew that they shouldn't trust the Genii from the get-go. It was nice to see Weir and Shep realize it, but they still got trapped. They they actually did have a coup! That was unexpected.

I loved Ronon being upset that he and Teyla were not on the wanted list. That was too funny.

I love that Major Lorne is still alive. I so didn't want him dead.

Of course the Shep/McKay interaction is always funny.

All I can say, it's great being right! I said awhile ago that the Genii were another enemy and darn good at it, or Weir and her people could turn them into an ally. I think the end left that possibility there.

Edit: I watched this show again. I think it's my favorite episode to date. They finally got everything correct. It was not a reworking of an old SG script. This was purely Atlantis. It had so many twists and turns. You know not to trust the guy, but not only shouldn't you trust him, there 2 different turns til the end. They managed to surpise me, and I love that. You knew they would tie in both stories, Genii and Ronon and Teyla, but how.

I sat there spellbound watching it and thoroughly enjoying myself. The story went back to what I want to know more about the Ancient and that darn gene. The humor was great also. The first scene between Shep and Lorne was perfect, about Shep coming to rescue them. I hope they can keep this kind of show coming.

This post has been edited by IndyJan: Feb 18th 2006, 3:13 PM

I have to agree that I also am grateful that the adorable Maj Lorne is still alive and kicking.

I liked this epi. Call me gullible but I didn't see the last plot twist (actual coup...) so I really enjoyed the ending.

McKay was friggin hilarious! He "Almost" stunned that guy! I love him!

Poor Ronon. Someone doesn't think he's a threat...

Boring.

I never thought an episode could just go on and on. I didn't want to stop watching it because, well, it's Stargate, but it was so boring. The only thing I actually liked about it was Ronan and Teyla. I dunno, I guess they're somewhat of a couple. Teyla making the orders, Ronan following them, I guess I'm a Ronan/Teyla shipper now.

Ronan was really cute in this episode; being the big guy that he is, though, having an adorable side. He's also really boyish, like, "well that was a stupid thing to do," or something like that.


See! Ronan needs a hug!

6/10

Ronan --> 10/10! lol!