Haha!

Amen!

I thought that this was a very good episode. I didn't think that they were going to kill Cowen, but I'm glad he's gone. Also, they opened up lots of possible storylines with those wanted posters that were spread out to all of those planets.

This episode gets a 7/10.

I really like the ending with the change of powers in their people, it almost seamed like he was good, i wonder how he will turn up in the furtur as either an allie or a threat

If that would have been the case the episode would have just ended in about 5 minutes!
Anyhow this episode had a little more substance to it than it's SG-1 counterpart.
A 6 out of 10...

Erm...I didn't think he was actually dead. Right? Because Shepard met up with him at the end of the episode when he was thrown into that holding cell, yes?

Unless I'm mistaken.

well first off. i love ronan!
and color me stupid, but i did not see the second plot twist coming, so i really enjoyed this episode. im starting to look forward to atlantis more than i do for sg1.

I think you're thinking of Maj Lorne? The leader of the Genii was killed at the end.

I'm not too sure who you are talking about, but Cowen the leader of the Genii was killed. Major Lorne was alive when Shep saw him in the cell and they escaped. All thanks to Ladon(sp), who led the coup. Cowen and his elite guard were all nuked at the end. All of the Atlantians that had been captured were alive.

This was such a good episode (hats off to Martin Gero for writing this). After the being disappointed by the last two episodes of both shows, it is nice to actually see a well written episode. I could see the twist coming where the Genii capture Sheppard's team but I didnt see the twist where Landen betrayed Cowen. I'm guessing this is going to lead to Atlantis and the Genii becoming closer allies. I would have preferred to have seen them as enemies but:
season 3 spoiler:


This post has been edited by Dafmeister: Feb 22nd 2006, 5:26 PM

Damn it. I had a long post about the plot holes and why this episode/Alantis and the Genii was so terrible. Every day i find a new reason to hate firefox .

Anyway i will sum it up into bullet points.

1: If the Genii are smart enough to research,plan and create nukes. They should be smar enough to create good radiation shielding.
2: This episode was predictable from the beginning. In fact i knew what was going to happen from the beginning. Two Example

1: When they found the wanted posters. Atlantis only had two enimies that could go damage. Geniis and Wraith. The Wraith don't know the personnel so well and they would never coparate with humans. The geniis knew atlantis personnel and would work with local population to get what they need.
2: When Weir told them they could help the people. I knew that Laden or what ever his name was would kill Cowen. He would be intrested in helping his sister. When he opened the cage and didn't shoot i knew that he wouldn't shoot. Why? Because in SGA the main character never get seriously hurt or killed. Everything always works out fine in Atlantis unlike Stargate which was more realier (but still obvious).

3: They were able to scan the whole planet but not detect the Nuke? Hello WE can detect nukes and Ancient technology can't?

4: Genii are to stupid.
5: They killed Colm meanys character in such a way. The man is a great actor. He is the only reason why i wanted to watch. Now that he is gone i have no reason Atlantis anymore.

I might watch atlantis next year. But for this season no more thank you. I can't stand the show. Reminds me of all the crapness in Voyager rehashed again.

This episode was better than the recent stuff season 2 has been churning out.

I liked the political intrigue and what's his names twisted Revolutionary plans which included Atlantis. I thought the Genii were all hunky dory with the current establishment and policies of the State, obviously not. Wish we had more background info on the Genii earlier this season, you know kind of set the stage for this, because the corruption or whatever bad leadership of Chief O'Brien which had sown the seeds of revolution and need for change was something which came out of the blue.

Why didn't they make a connection between the fake dead bodies of the Major Lorne's team and the whole Genii incident much sooner? I mean I saw it as soon as the Genii dude with the ZPM dialled in. Is a through away line that much to ask? Or did the writers want us to see Ronan and Teyla play Columbo?

And the Deadalus being a plot device to swing by when the script says so is not good. It would have been better if we'd been given a glimpse/ time table of when the Deadalus drops in, because it just shows poor writing otherwise. In some episodes the ship is conveniently in Pegasus jumping in on time for the last minute lame-tastic wrap up with a beam out scene.

Anyway the Genii story arc has finally been furthered, and Atlantis has potential allies.

This post has been edited by Romulan Snitch- Tal'Shir: Feb 23rd 2006, 4:25 PM

1) in the 1940's earth scientists thought they had adequate protection, Genii are supposedly around the same level we were in the 1950, when we told kid to duck under wooden tables in a nuclear attck!)

2)Most episodes are fairly predictable, if they weren't shows wouldnt run as long cos you would have to regular sacrifice a lead character for the shock ratings in asnwer to your examples:

1 - Many worlds co-operate with the Genii, so thos civilisations could be seeking the SGA teams to trade to the Genii,

2 - If the main characters never get injured seriously, hmm, i seem to remember ford, a lead character in season one being almost killed and overdosing on Wraith enzyme, or did you miss that ep?

3) if you case a nuclear device in thick enough lead it is effective invisible to all but the closest of inspections see North Korea!

4) If the genii are so stupid, how come for generations they have built maintained and improved an undergorund civilisation that even theWraith don't know about.

5) As Colm Meaneys character was essentially of limited scope anyway, the fact he was allegedly killed in the nuke explosion, (if indeed it was a nuke explosion, we never actually saw the bomb, just a flash of light and a thud on the shield in atlantis) If you wish to compare the plots of Atlantis to ST V, then i think you may well be a bit lost, because if yo uare such a colm meaney fan, you would know he was only in ST TNG and ST DS9 as was Michael Dorn (worff) a much finer character actor all meaney plays is blokes with curly hair, and a strangely americanised Irish accent. even when he is in space!

sorry all just in that sort of mood today.

Well he's from Ireland, but works a lot in America, which might explain the accent. And Micheal Dorn is a terrible actor. All he's ever done is Worf. Has even played another character? Colm Meaney is a much better actor and has had a good career in both tv and film.


Anyway, back to the episode. Certainly a lot better than recent episodes. I didn't see every plot twist coming, and they weren't beamed out by the Daedalus at the last minute.

I wonder what Weir would have done if they executed Sheppard. Would she really have to war with Genii?

But, it looks like the Genii are going to be an ally in the future. I kind of preferred them as an enemy though.

Possible season 3 spoilers:

71% Better! But not without flaws.

LAST THINGS FIRST OF THE WEEK: The ending! It was all going so well until the ending. The problem was a combination of two things. The first was Five Minutes to the End Syndrome where they had to rush a conclusion with a big fat contrivance. The second was the writers writing themselves into a wall by putting our heroes in such imminent danger that they couldn't think of a way to solve the problem without a big fat contrivance. The big fat contrivance was that the rebellion, that was supposed to be fake, was actually real... or whatever! The initial twist where the rebellion was fake was good. But making the fake rebellion real was getting stupid.

HIPPY OF THE WEEK: Carrying on with the ending, Weir really needs to get tough. Remember when Shepherd threatened to destroy the city back in 'The Storm'? Now they have the Daedalus. Weir should have threatened to wipe out the Genii. There is only one way to talk to a thug like Cowen.

FORGETFULNESS OF THE WEEK: I've forgotten the rest.

RingsOfKether Feb 23rd 2006, 9:39 PM



I really don't think the scientists were that stupid. They saw how destructive the nukes in tests. That was probably for the publics sake.




It isn't impossible for a show to be unpredictable and stay in the 42 minutes time limit. It is is just impossible for the Stargate writers.




Ford main character? LOL!!! That was in credit only. I the biggest thing he had to deal with in Season 1 was film the people in Atlantis. Thats it.




Wait!!! That doesn't make sense. The Genii scientists can't make a proper radiation shield but they can hide it well from Ancient scanners? I don't think so. Even if they covered the damn nuke with alot of lead. There would be secondary radiation coming from the lead which the puddle jumper could detect. I found this out when i was planning for an interstellar ship



Thats the question i am asking. Why is it that they can hide from the Wraith very well yet come across like complete idiots when they meet the Atlanteans.



I never said that Colm was in Voyager. Besides if you have a problem with his accent why don't you have a problem with ALIENS SPEAKING ENGLISH IN ANOTHER GALAXY!!!. Atleast in Star Trek they came up with a good excuse for having them speak english.

This post has been edited by wack: Mar 4th 2006, 5:37 AM

Interesting points are brought up in this thread and I have to defend Colm Meaney...and to say this, which is actually quite scary, i once had a crush on him.
He is a fine actor and to have him in Atlantis is fantastic even if he has only been in, i think, 3 episodes.
He has the ability to play many different types of characters with different personalities.
I remember a movie he was in where he had intercourse with a teenage girl and got her pregnant, they were both in denial, especially since he was married and all that but he played the total jerk he was perfectly.
But that is quite off topic.

Colm Meaney made a good Genii leader because of the strong personality that he portrayed and him believing that he was right and he could dominate everyone else.

Also on the matter of whether shows kill off their main characters or not and blah blah blah...
They kill them off all the time...or they get married and change careers or they have kids and no longer want to work or they take an extended break so to say they never kill off a main character is wrong.

Ford was not killed nor was he so severely injured that he wouldnt be on our screens anymore.
He is still on our screens in a handful of episodes and will reamin so until the writers can think of a good story to put him in but the storyline which they have put him in is interesting...He's got an overload of wraith enzyme, what more could a person want?
He was not one of the main characters which the writers focused on in the first season and he was not one of the popular ones with viewers of the series and so it is understandable that the writers would write him off or do something with him so the viewers are given a good excuse as to why he is not on our screens.

At least now we get to see a totally hot Dr. Beckett for our viewing pleasure.


Now onto this episode:
It was good to see the Genii back and interesting to see how they view their leader. The storyline was quite well written in my opinion and while i was sad to see Colm Meaney go at the same time there are not many storylines which they could have put him in anyway and we wouldnt want a Genii overdose so the killing of his character was not a huge problem to me, in fact it made the episode more interesting and enjoyable to watch as there is now a new leader for us to view and to also have the Atlantis epedition interact with so i hope we get to go back and see what has changed for them and whether the expedition will be able to interact with them on a friendly basis as they once hoped they would.

And hopefully one dya we will get to see Sora again! She was a cutie.

i think that this episode that could have been made in2 a great 2 parter

but still a very good episode

The story was good, but i dont think it would have been able to stretch out enough for a 2 parter. I think it would have died.

I wonder if the wanted posters will come back for another story. Hopefully the Genii are now willing to stand with us against the Wraith.

Wack if you hated the show so much then why did you watch it?

I liked this episode. Martin Gero looks to be a good thing for the show.

Genii spoiler

I don't think that the Atlantis team would want the Genii to know about the Daedalus... but if this was a real life situation.... i'd just get the Daedalus into orbit just above the planet... & beam in serveral naquadah enhanced nukes.. that'll teach em!!!