I think that the female with the claws is actually the little innocent one that appears in the last photo. The top seems to be identical.

She doesn't look the same. The face has more blueon it, So it could be as ancient01 said that she changes after she feeds, on what looks likely to be another Wraith..



EDIT:

Just found out why she is different in the two pictures.



This post has been edited by JamesyBHOY: Aug 19th 2005, 1:36 PM

Very nice pictures... It looks to me like her human DNA is being suppressed and the bug DNA is taking over. That blue in her skin looks very insectoid. This sounds like a cool episode...

Given what Beckett said about the bugs not needing a human digestive system (so why have one?) and what we learn about the female being able to sustain herself on regular food until she reached "puberty"; I think that it isn't the bugs who incorporated human DNA into their genetic makeup. I believe it is the humans who were changed into the wraith. The episode Conversion would seem to support this even though Carson's retro virus is to blame for what happened to the female and thus to Sheppard.

I still think that what he said in the infirmary alludes to that. I think that the Wraith and Humans have more in common than we first thought.

Although, I am troubled by something. If the Ancients seeded the bug planet with humans and created the Wraith on accident, why didn't they realize it was by their mistake and try to fix it in some fashion? If it's merely a matter of contaminated DNA why didn't they spend any time trying to cure it like Beckett has set out to do. I'm sure that at some point they had to realize their mistake and try to rectify it. Sure the Wraith are big bad guys but the Ancients are supposedly a pretty smart bunch. I don't understand why they couldn't do what Carson is trying. They had 100 years! And he comes up with something in a few months?

I have no doubt that if the Ancients could've taken care of it so simply, they would have.

Yeah sure! TPTB make Rodney look stupid and all the more like an a** in Sheppard's eyes but they have Carson come up smelling like roses in a similar situation.

Am I the only one bothered by this?

This post has been edited by Samara Draven: Aug 26th 2005, 10:24 PM

Perhaps, but who else thinks this has happened a little too fast, and thus, isn't any sort of coincidence in terms of technological advancement?

I do think it's strange but we don't know for sure how long humans have existed in the Pegasus galaxy. We know the Ancients left the Milky Way 'several million years ago'. Scientifically speaking, the oldest human remains date back almost 200,000 years.

10,000 years ago - give or take a couple of centuries - the Ancients returned to Earth. Assuming the Ancients started seeding life in Pegasus right away, the wraith would've had all those millions of years to evolve. And, assuming their telepathy helps shorten the learning curve, they could conceivably advance to being that technologically evolved.

Think about it: Some Ancients go back to the bug planet to check on the human progress there but discover that the humans aren't human anymore and the Ancients are unprepared for such a physical altercation and all of them lose. The Wraith then go check out any ships and technology they may have brought with them. That would explain why their written language is a derivative of Ancient.

So, to me, it is all perfectly plausible. What I can't get my head around is that the Ancients couldn't have fixed things but Carson can. I don't know. Maybe TPTB are playing off of the fact that we think differently than they did.

The thing is, this is assuming the Ancients didn't regularly check up on these planets. I'd be willing to be they came back at least every hundred or so years. That would let them keep a relatively close eye on the evolution of the population.

Just because I feel like saying it: who's saying the incorporation of human DNA or vice versa is accidental?

Maybe its like when the Asgard couldnt find a way to fight the Replicators. Thor said that they wouldnt have thought of using guns to destroy the Replicators. Perhaps the Ancients were too advanced for their own good and couldnt think in simple terms.

That's about the only explanation I'll except and it still stinks of stale rehashing. I like Atlantis. I find myself looking forward to watching it more than sg1. But the stories already have resorted to recycling material. I really am bothered by this.

I'm not bothered by it at all. the difference between Beckett and Mckay is that Beckett isn't hung up with arrogance and an ego the size of Alaska! Beckett wants to wait, do testing, and he said, the virus wasn't ready. It didn't work yet. Whereas, McKay says that he is always right.

I think that you can compare the Ancients with the Wraith to the Asgards and the Replicators. Don't forget that the Ancients and the Asgards were once part of a "great alliance." They both have arrogance in abundance. It took the replicators beating the Asgards, and the SG1 team helping to defeat them before the Asgards changed their way of thinking. Maybe it will take the team of Atlantis winning something against the Wraith before the Ancients will realize that they can't do it all.

I understand what you're saying and I agree that McKay was overly arrogant in that storyline. In fact, it's one of my peeves about the ep. It just seemed that McKay was over the top in that one and the whole point of it came off as forced. Like they just had to make that point no matter what.

Beckett may be a more patient scientist and allow progress to take its time but it still seems odd to me that he accomplishes what the Ancients couldn't do or - at the very least - think to do in the hundred plus years since they ran across the Wraith. Which brings me back to how the "we-can't-think-like-you" mentality was used before.

I know it's a small nit to pick and I'm probably going to have to live with it but gnaws at me like my intelligence has been insulted or something.

Okay, I get where you are coming from. Actually, I don't think we have to worry too much about either Beckett or McKay truly outwitting the Wraith, at least for awhile. They might be able to win once in awhile, just to survive. But I don't see the writers having them truly outwit them, or the show would be over.

Thank goodness for that. I doubt there can be a worse-than-the-Wraith kind of enemy. If there were, they would have a strange hold on the Pegasus galaxy, not the Wraith. I find it amusing yet troublesome that the writers have gotten themselves into this situation of writing an enemy that defeated the Ancients and still making our survival against them plausible. I suppose there will be some hiccups here and there.

They really are kind of teetering on the edge of the knife in that aspect.

Part of the problem for the Ancients maybe that they fell victim to their arrogance. Maybe that is why they had Rodney show how arrogant he was. he felt that he could defeat the Wraith in one fell swoop. Maybe that arrogance was the downfall for the Ancients. At least with the Asgards and the Replicators, they were not so arrogant. The Asgards had no problem asking the Tauri for help.

I wonder if the wraith girl is a test subject or something because she looks different from the others and is way stronger and faster. She killed the other wraith easily. Or mabey she looks the way she does because she's a female. Who knows!!

I'll bet she is a test subject created to bite normal people and turn them in to wraiths. At least thats what i think because Sheppard looked the way he did in Conversion.

ooops forgot to say i was changing the subject

Actually, I think the girl looked different because she was a teenager, not a full grown adult yet. As far as her strength, I believe that came about because she infected herself with the retro-virus. She was turning back into the original bug that joined with human DNA. When she scratched Sheppard, she also infected him with that same DNA.

I didn't think of that. Too bad the retro virus didn't work.Ii think it will work on a test subject later on in the season.