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| Jonas_quinn |
 Nov 27th 2005, 6:52 AM
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Technical Sergeant  Group: Members Posts: 238 Joined: September 21st 2003 From: Sydney Member No.: 2,340  |
QUOTE(Pitry @ Sep 26th 2005, 5:07 AM) Em, I think the problem is actually the Wraith. They were an excellent adversary - for one season. The writers have thrown themselves into a catch. You can';t move an over-all plot, because that would make the Wraith know Atlantis still exists, thus re-creating the Siege, and while that was an excellent episode, it can only be done once before it gets boring. For the same reason, the team can't really fight the Wraith, can they? It's stagnent and stuck., What we had with SG1, the first season, there wasn't an over-all plot. But while there was bad guy number 1 (Apophis), there were various smaller bad guys, Goa'ulds, Jaffa etc, the Replicators... Atlantis has already established that the only bad guys - real ones - out there are the Wraith. The Genii are too ambiguous to push aplot for more than a couple of episodes, unless they go through some massive change. And you have no other forces in the game. In SG1, by season 2, you did have the Asgaards, rebel Jaffa, something. Atlantis is cornered ion season two by the same thing that made the second half of season 1 so great.  I have a question.. what about that virus from season one?? That made people hallucinate before dying... we dont know who made it yet.. do we? (havent seen new ep's) and well why culdnt a new enemy be brought in? |
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| ha'tak |
Nov 27th 2005, 12:58 PM
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Lieutenant Colonel  Group: Members Posts: 1,328 Joined: June 8th 2005 From: Northwest of Chicago, Illinois Member No.: 9,229 Gender: Male |
Pitry
Click for Spoiler and for the virus from Hot Zone I think it was one of those things that just got droped and never mentioined again. It was just a one EP thing |
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| Dafmeister |
Dec 21st 2005, 4:34 PM
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General  Group: Moderators Posts: 11,926 Joined: April 10th 2003 From: North Wales, UK Member No.: 1,340 Gender: Male |
This wasnt a bad episode. It's not the best mid-season finale I have seen. Everything happened too fast in this episode, the plot seemed to have been rushed. The second half looks as if it will be interesting but it will take a lot to make up for the first half.
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| Parmenides |
Dec 21st 2005, 4:49 PM
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Birds ate his face. Group: Donating Members Posts: 1,339 Joined: October 22nd 2004 From: Glezgae, Shkotlan' Member No.: 6,770 Gender: Male |
Preferred this cliffhanger to SG-1's - I'm actually interested in what's going to happen!
I definitely preferred the Wraith bits as opposed to the...'stuck-in-the-cave' bits. It's always interesting when we find out something new about the Wraith, and we did find out a fair bit here. I hope Ford dies in the next part. I really do. That, or suffers (in the loosest form of the word) a personality transplant. Really.  Meeouch, the new Wraith queen is a *coughhottiecough*. Anyone think she looked similar to that girl off Farscape? The one who was involved with D'Argo? Roll on Jan 11th!  |
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| Dafmeister |
Dec 21st 2005, 6:51 PM
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General Group: Moderators Posts: 11,926 Joined: April 10th 2003 From: North Wales, UK Member No.: 1,340 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(Parmenides @ Dec 21st 2005, 9:49 PM) Meeouch, the new Wraith queen is a *coughhottiecough*. Anyone think she looked similar to that girl off Farscape? The one who was involved with D'Argo? Sorry, did I read that right? Hottie? The Wraith Queen is a hottie? |
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| Parmenides |
Dec 21st 2005, 7:10 PM
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Birds ate his face. Group: Donating Members Posts: 1,339 Joined: October 22nd 2004 From: Glezgae, Shkotlan' Member No.: 6,770 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(Dafmeister @ Dec 21st 2005, 11:51 PM) Sorry, did I read that right? Hottie? The Wraith Queen is a hottie? Yes, yes you did!  For a Wraith, she was alright - a far sight better than the Marilyn Manson wannabee from Rising!  [Edit] Look at that face...that smooth, supple skin...and oh boy, what a smile! (and I retract the Farscape comment, her hair is far too long!) [/Edit] This post has been edited by Parmenides: Dec 21st 2005, 7:30 PM |
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| Auntie Em! |
Dec 21st 2005, 9:50 PM
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Sipping on fine wine!  Group: Donating Members Posts: 5,918 Joined: March 22nd 2005 From: Northwestern Ontario, Canada Member No.: 8,565 Gender: Female |
I thought I read somewhere that is she a yoga instructor. Pretty flexible if she is.
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| Dafmeister |
Dec 22nd 2005, 6:19 AM
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General Group: Moderators Posts: 11,926 Joined: April 10th 2003 From: North Wales, UK Member No.: 1,340 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(Parmenides @ Dec 22nd 2005, 12:10 AM) a far sight better than the Marilyn Manson wannabee from Rising You know they are played by the same actress, Andee Frizzell? |
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| Parmenides |
Dec 22nd 2005, 7:13 AM
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Birds ate his face. Group: Donating Members Posts: 1,339 Joined: October 22nd 2004 From: Glezgae, Shkotlan' Member No.: 6,770 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(Dafmeister @ Dec 22nd 2005, 11:19 AM) You know they are played by the same actress, Andee Frizzell? It's amazing what a bit of make-up and a different wig will do... |
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| Auntie Em! |
Dec 22nd 2005, 7:52 AM
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Sipping on fine wine! Group: Donating Members Posts: 5,918 Joined: March 22nd 2005 From: Northwestern Ontario, Canada Member No.: 8,565 Gender: Female |
Same with the male wraith characters without the sheild on their face. There are only two actors that play the various roles. That is why some have facial art. To show they are different wraiths.
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| glom |
Dec 22nd 2005, 8:32 AM
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Airman First Class  Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: November 2nd 2003 Member No.: 2,673 Gender: Male |
83% Now that's good Atlantis.
HOMAGE OF THE WEEK: The part where the dart goes Airbus and enters the hive ship was very similar to Independence. Note that I called it a homage. If it was a bad episode I would have called it heavy lifting. But since it's a good episode, I called it a homage. CHEMISTRY OF THE WEEK: Junkie Ronan and Junkie Teyla have got more neutrons flying around that a poorly designed plutonium explosive. There's nothing like domestic violence at the dinner table to say "I love you". CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION OF THE WEEK: Of course, Weir needed some screen time since her name is in the opening credits. Apart from that, her looking worried and expressing the usual idealistic, "There's always hope" routine didn't really serve much purpose. ADVANCEMENT OF THE WEEK: The compositing of Junkie Ford and his band of merry men against the big hive ship backdrop was more convincing than in 'Underground'. The wider shots were the coolest. STARFLEET DESIGN OF THE WEEK: The dart looked cool. I don't believe we've ever seen the interior like that before. But those Wraith engineers weren't very smart. The ability of a Wraith to fly the thing is purely dependent on the reliability of engineered components. If the HUD systems fail, the pilot is screwed. The jumpers on the other hand do it better. They have a transparent window that is failsafe but use HUD against that. MYSTERY OF THE WEEK: So how did Ford's little crying act allow him to discover Shepherd's true plan? If it was because it made Shepherd talk about it in a cave room where the walls were likely to have ears, then that's Shepherd's stupidity. MYSTERY OF THE WEEK RUNNER-UP: And how did the dart's DHD get disabled without McKay discovering it? How are they supposed to get back to Neverland if the DHD can only dial the address of the hive ship? VALUED TEAM MEMBER OF THE WEEK: I think we can say that Ronan has fully shrugged off his adolescent angst phase. He's now got obedience and loyalty. The line about impatience not being strong in his history was a good laugh as well. UPSTAGE OF THE WEEK: Ronan may have replaced Ford on the team, but Rainbow Francks was going to make darn sure he stole the scene between the two of them. Did he bribe the writer to make sure Ronan said very little? |
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| Dafmeister |
Dec 22nd 2005, 9:00 AM
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General Group: Moderators Posts: 11,926 Joined: April 10th 2003 From: North Wales, UK Member No.: 1,340 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(Auntie Em! @ Dec 22nd 2005, 12:52 PM) Same with the male wraith characters without the sheild on their face. There are only two actors that play the various roles. That is why some have facial art. To show they are different wraiths. In fact it always the same actor that plays the male Wraith (without the masks). His name is James Lafazanos. |
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| Auntie Em! |
Dec 22nd 2005, 9:32 AM
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Sipping on fine wine! Group: Donating Members Posts: 5,918 Joined: March 22nd 2005 From: Northwestern Ontario, Canada Member No.: 8,565 Gender: Female |
On an extra on the S1 DVD box set they talk with both characters that play the male wraiths. One of them is the one you mentioned.
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| Dafmeister |
Dec 22nd 2005, 9:47 AM
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General Group: Moderators Posts: 11,926 Joined: April 10th 2003 From: North Wales, UK Member No.: 1,340 Gender: Male |
IMDb only has James Lafazanos credited as playing male Wraith. They have Dan Payne credited as playing a Wraith Warrior. I have also read that James Lafazanos is the only actor that has played the main male Wraith. He is credited as playing the male Wraith in 'Rising' part 2, 'Suspicion', 'Poisoning the Well', 'The Defiant One', 'The Gift', 'The Seige' parts 1, 2 & 3, 'Runner', 'Condemned', 'Aurora', 'The Lost Boys' and 'The Hive'.
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| Auntie Em! |
Dec 22nd 2005, 8:58 PM
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Sipping on fine wine! Group: Donating Members Posts: 5,918 Joined: March 22nd 2005 From: Northwestern Ontario, Canada Member No.: 8,565 Gender: Female |
I went and quickly watched the Xtra and it says that Jeff Robinson plays the Darryl Wraith. However, John does most of them.
The xtra is called "Wraithal Discrimination: It's Not Easy Being Green." |
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| Invisible Painting |
Dec 22nd 2005, 9:11 PM
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Lieutenant General Group: Members Posts: 6,340 Joined: November 29th 2003 From: Aberystwyth, Wales. (And sometimes London) Member No.: 2,819 Gender: Male |
You can tell the ones that james laffy does as they all look exactly the same!! When you see a wraith played by a different actor you can notice the difference immediately!! Like the one at the end of the siege pt2. They really should get a couple of other actors to play them as well. I know why they dont but it would give the show slighly more authenticity if they did.
The talking role wraiths go to lafazantos "extra" wraith or other wraith often go to that other guy. |
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| warpchick |
Dec 23rd 2005, 11:45 AM
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Airman First Class Group: Members Posts: 73 Joined: May 6th 2005 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 9,005 Gender: Female |
this ep was great its the best iv seem out of season 2 i think its great that ford came back i just hope hes in fueher eps
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| mini_jack |
Dec 23rd 2005, 12:31 PM
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Second Lieutenant  Group: Members Posts: 520 Joined: February 1st 2005 From: uk Member No.: 7,835 Gender: Male |
this episode was extreamly good this season is really shaping up to be a good one I can't wait till the the first week in jan to seen part to if i am not mistaken it is on the 4 of jan right.
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| startreksuite |
Dec 24th 2005, 12:31 AM
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Senior Airman  Group: Members Posts: 115 Joined: March 26th 2005 From: Boston, MA , USA Member No.: 8,622 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(mini_jack @ Dec 23rd 2005, 12:31 PM) this episode was extreamly good this season is really shaping up to be a good one I can't wait till the the first week in jan to seen part to if i am not mistaken it is on the 4 of jan right. I know on the sci fi channel in the us it's the 6th of jan, but maybe sky one or the space channel may have it a day or two earlier. |
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| Dafmeister |
Dec 24th 2005, 5:01 AM
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General Group: Moderators Posts: 11,926 Joined: April 10th 2003 From: North Wales, UK Member No.: 1,340 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(mini_jack @ Dec 23rd 2005, 5:31 PM) this episode was extreamly good this season is really shaping up to be a good one I can't wait till the the first week in jan to seen part to if i am not mistaken it is on the 4 of jan right. We get part two on Wednesday 11th January. For the first time the UK is behind the US after the midseason break. |
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| Parmenides |
Dec 24th 2005, 10:14 AM
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Birds ate his face. Group: Donating Members Posts: 1,339 Joined: October 22nd 2004 From: Glezgae, Shkotlan' Member No.: 6,770 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(Dafmeister @ Dec 24th 2005, 10:01 AM) For the first time the UK is behind the US after the midseason break.  Sky One is testing my patience...and it won't like me when I'm angry...  |
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| KillerMarv |
May 26th 2006, 1:12 AM
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Major General  Group: Members Posts: 3,441 Joined: April 7th 2006 From: Bucharest, Romania Member No.: 11,622 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(glom @ Dec 22nd 2005, 4:32 PM) MYSTERY OF THE WEEK RUNNER-UP: And how did the dart's DHD get disabled without McKay discovering it? How are they supposed to get back to Neverland if the DHD can only dial the address of the hive ship? Well, they said that the dart is capable of dialing only the hive ship, and back... so they could get back... The obvious mystery in this, is this: In Duet we see McKay pass out, twice, after he is beamed out from the dart, once on the planet, once in the Atlantis lab... Now, when Sheppard beams out the "bla-bla-bla team of Ford", they are all ok, and don't pass out... and what a damn coincidence that all three members who fall off the cliff are Ford's team members... Now, was the passing out bit fixed up by McKay on the planet? Cause that was never mentioned... Or is this a good nitpick? |
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| macca99 |
May 26th 2006, 1:20 AM
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Airman First Class Group: Members Posts: 60 Joined: February 3rd 2006 Member No.: 11,072 Gender: Male |
i think it was a good nitpick. the whole not fainting thing is abit wierd but the 3 people falling off is just classic stargate. nothing bad happend to the heros.
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| kirsti |
May 26th 2006, 4:03 AM
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Technical Sergeant Group: Members Posts: 231 Joined: February 19th 2005 From: United Kingdom - Little Village called Underwood Member No.: 8,142 Gender: Female |
I carnt belive I actaully missed this episode. It looks great in the trailers, I'll have to wait for repeats.
Plus which episode did Ronan come in to it. |
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