maybe they didnt think to check for symbiotes because the goauld are considered much less of a threat, or all they recources were on other things maybe?

I'm pretty sure they mentioned the trust ..... and everyone knows the Goa'uld made up the trust. It should have been the first thing they did ... unless Caldwell was in charge of that I guess.

One more thing on the stupidity of the Wraith. They can surely scan for Naquadah, so they should realize the gate is gone (since it is cloaked away from sensors). But if they dial the gate they will realize that they get a lock. Surprise there, eh? Indication that something odd is going on? Nooooo....

I hate to say this but - as this episode has shown again - the Goa'uld were way cleverer baddies.

This post has been edited by ted_simple: Dec 8th 2005, 2:02 PM

Why would the wraith scan for Naquadah. There is no natural occuring Naquadah in the Pegasus galaxy. The gate is not made of Naquadah.

Also there is no evidence that the Wraith even know of the address of Atlantis. Never once have they tried to dial the gate to Atlantis.

I was wondering why the info snippet from my Rodgers guide said McKay was to get a love interest and it never happened. Why did they change the show? I just went and read the spoiler and it sounds like the episode would have been better had they left it the way it said it was going to be in the spoiler. I would like to see someone other than Shep get the girl.

I would also like to just throw in once again that the Tayla singing bit was just dreadful I hated it so much I have to say it twice.

I liked this ep Teyla singing was quite unexpected. The thing that got me was when Teyla tells Beckett not to help the dying women and hes like ive taken an oath to preserve life. Then she says you cannot interfere so he says ok and thats it didnt put up a fight at all.

Whatever stuff, they could scan for it. Prometheus does it all the time when they come to a planet in the milky way galaxy. If a ship like Prometheus can scan for a specific element, the Wraith should be able to do the same.

Right, the writers were clever enough not to scratch that topic. My point is the Wraith must be pretty stupid if they don't know the address; they've hunted Atlantis teams escaping through the gate many times, so they could remember the symbols flashing on the DHD (as most planets appear to have a DHD).

I see the problem that the two shows shouldn't get too similar, which would be boring; so the Wraith don't use typical Goa'uld tricks; the other side of the coin is that makes them look stupid because they disregard the obvious.

This post has been edited by ted_simple: Dec 9th 2005, 8:18 AM

Well if you think they never really had to be sneaky and careful they're pretty much animals with intelligence all they think about is food. [they even fight eachother for it] they see themselves as stong and powerful compared to the people in Pegasus [locals not the Atlantians]. But we do see them being a little clever with the virus in the Daedalus

Ted I agree with you that a race that is space faring and as Ha'tak said can create a sophisticated virus does come off looking pretty dumb.

i think with wraith it is the same as with the goa'ulds, for a very long time they are the most powerful race in their galaxy (except for the ancients),just like the goauld were, it was always easy for them to fight again the 'primitive' ppl and they had their own way to do it..
now suddenly the ppl from earth come with new weapons and new fighting tacticts the wraith never saw before.. and they dont know what to do.. just like the goauld couldnt really handle the ppl from the sgc, it took them a while to adjust.. and i think it is the same with the wraith.. they will learn in time.. and we have to get better and better so we can defeat them..
i also think the wraith are very sure of themselves and very arrogant.. just like the goald were, i guess that all will change in later seasons


about the episode, i liked it.. it was really unexpected that the colonel was a goauld..
and i also like teylas singing :)

Just had a chance to watch the new episode. Actualy I was not aware that the second half of the season started airing .

Loved the singing part of Taila, the show surely needs more :} . About the thing the Wraith being dumb, they never looked smart to me. The problem is they won every battle by their wast numbers, not because they were clever, and in fact wraith is most probably not the creators of the virus. As wraith are also evolved from bugs and human beings and coexisted with ancients, adopted their technolgy, they actually got everything from anciens, I do not think they are capable of such advanced tech. I thought Ori did created the virus that viped out ancients.. whatever.. nice episode.. And we love Teila, stop comparing Ronin with her :) .

The Orii did create the virus that wiped out the ancients. The virus we are talking about is the virus that the wraith that installed in the Daedalus mainframe.

I dont think we should be that harsh with Cavanough, he was anoying and didnt have any friends in Atlantis but he did came up with the idea that saved Shepard and Teyla in "38 minutes"............. cut him some slack

This post has been edited by Evil Wraith: Dec 10th 2005, 11:08 PM

was it actually said in an atlantis episode that the wraith use the technology of the ancients for themselves?
i thought they advanced so far on their own..

well from what we know of the Wraith they were origionally a form of the Euratus Bug [38 Minutes] which then got some of the ancient DNA in their own creating a new hybrid species The Wraith

over time they increased in thier Population and based their Tech off of the Ancients [simlar to the Goa'uld who's tech is never completely origional]. The Ancients had underestimated their threat untill it was too late and couldnt solve the problem indoing so leading to thier fall

Don't know why so many of you didn't like the Tayla singing part (and nobody will make me believe that it was actually she who singed! ) IMO the whole combination of scenes with music was really well done!

All in all I really liked this episode. Good thing is that it was really unpredictable - who would have thought that colonel "X-files" will be a goa'uld?

And guess why the red-haired bomb expert asked to stay a little longer?

It was her singing. Some of the actors were doing a commentary for a season 1 dvd episode and they talked about how Teyla just finished singing in an upcoming S2 episode. This has to the that episode.

I think it was awesome.

Why did Cadman want to stay longer? Actually there was suppose to be a love story in this episode between her and Rodney but I guess the episode ran over and they axed it.

With Rodney? The girl was all over dr. Beckett!

To make Rodney jealous. Though, now I am questioning myself. I am pretty sure it was suppose to be Rodney.

Rachel was credited for the singing of "Beyond the Night" in the credits.. Guess nobody watches those anymore :P

I watched the commentary that Auntie watched and it confirms it as well

and for Cadman's love intrest didnt in the EP Beckett mention something about a date with her or someting or another [yet again it might be my mind playing tricks again ]

Woah. Caldwell a Goau'ld (Cant spell it). Did NOT see that comin...
Ronon was funny: What's a Goa'uld. hehe

Cadmin. HAWT!
Zelenka at the end.
Dr. Lee's LOTR comment
Some SGC action! No SG1 was dissapointing though...
JUst the whole ep.

As far as I remember in Gemini she wanted to have a date with Beckett (remember the Rondey - Beckett kiss? ) and in the end of this episode she and Beckett were about to go somewhere before McKay showwed up so I was pretty sure that those two have something between them.

I think it is a bit stupid that the ZPM is able of overloading itself in such a short notice of time....

It holds the power to keep the WHOLE GIGANTIC CITY shielded for several weeks/months while allmost all of the wraith ships are firing at full power!!!!! WTF, kewl!!

But again, when it is asked to dial the gate to earth is will use somuch power it is needed to be controlled ... ?????? stupid i think.....the amount of power used is just to few, why would it drain extra power?????