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| hobo_joe20 |
 Dec 14th 2005, 12:02 PM
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Brigadier General  Group: Members Posts: 2,357 Joined: May 13th 2005 From: Guelph, Ontario Member No.: 9,055 Gender: Male  |
QUOTE(Sibylle @ Dec 14th 2005, 11:58 AM) I think it is a bit stupid that the ZPM is able of overloading itself in such a short notice of time.... It holds the power to keep the WHOLE GIGANTIC CITY shielded for several weeks/months while allmost all of the wraith ships are firing at full power!!!!! WTF, kewl!! But again, when it is asked to dial the gate to earth is will use somuch power it is needed to be controlled ... ?????? stupid i think.....the amount of power used is just to few, why would it drain extra power?????  Earth is in a Galaxy far, far away. It required many much power to dial even another planet in your solar system. So many much more power is needed to dial earth from Pegasus. Far less than it requires to power the shields. |
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| Sibylle |
Dec 14th 2005, 12:25 PM
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Airman  Group: Members Posts: 59 Joined: December 13th 2005 Member No.: 10,668 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(hobo_joe20 @ Dec 14th 2005, 6:02 PM) Earth is in a Galaxy far, far away. It required many much power to dial even another planet in your solar system. So many much more power is needed to dial earth from Pegasus. Far less than it requires to power the shields. I dont think so, rewatch the episode again.......the asgard shields on Deadulus are not able to hold many shots from a wraith ship, cruiser or hive.... But the shields of the ancients would hold the shields for weeks again FULL wraith weapon power!!!!!! And even if dialing the gate requires so much energy, the zmp would be empty in short notice with all of those offworld activity's But still my question is: the zpm can establish a wormhole to earth, and uses the power required for that, so why would it use so much more power without the 'dam'.........not necessary for creating/containing the wormhole isn't it? |
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| hobo_joe20 |
Dec 14th 2005, 4:03 PM
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Brigadier General Group: Members Posts: 2,357 Joined: May 13th 2005 From: Guelph, Ontario Member No.: 9,055 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(Sibylle @ Dec 14th 2005, 12:25 PM) I dont think so, rewatch the episode again.......the asgard shields on Deadulus are not able to hold many shots from a wraith ship, cruiser or hive.... But the shields of the ancients would hold the shields for weeks again FULL wraith weapon power!!!!!! And even if dialing the gate requires so much energy, the zmp would be empty in short notice with all of those offworld activity's But still my question is: the zpm can establish a wormhole to earth, and uses the power required for that, so why would it use so much more power without the 'dam'.........not necessary for creating/containing the wormhole isn't it? For the first part, the ancients had 3 ZPMs they were using to defend against the wraith shields. This provides many much more power than 1, especially when they are designed to power Ancient shields as opposed to Asgard ones. as for the second part, not quite sure what you are talking about ..... |
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| Atlantians |
Dec 17th 2005, 12:55 AM
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First Lieutenant  Group: Members Posts: 795 Joined: March 7th 2005 Member No.: 8,349 Gender: Male |
I believe that a Intergalactic Stargate activation needs a powerfull initial burst of energy to activate. However only needs a fraction of that power to continue its activation. That is why we don't have enough energy to do that.
DHDs wouldn't have enough output to establish the initial wormhole, and probably would not have the power to maintain it anyway. That would also explain why we can't simply use a capacitor to do it. This would meen that a ZPM has a far greater output then any of our devicess. Furthermore the ZPM is powering all of Atlantis, and it could probably power everything at once if it were not for the fact that they needed to limit its output to prevent it from overloading. With three they did not have that problem. But that raises the question: Why not have a bank of 10, 20 ZPMs not just 3?! Edit- New thought:Maybe the ZPM can regulate far more energy then what would cause the detonation in the episode without the failsafes, but the failsafe keeps it from jumping into actual overload? This post has been edited by Atlantians: Dec 17th 2005, 1:18 AM |
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| Carter-Hot |
Dec 19th 2005, 10:28 AM
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Captain  Group: Members Posts: 995 Joined: December 26th 2003 From: United Kingdom Member No.: 3,067 Gender: Male |
This episode ROCKED!
It had everything - OMG, it was WOW!!! It had tension, linkage, emotions, excitement - it was fantastic. So far this episode reigns Season 2! (Not that "The Siege, Part 3" didn't). This episode was just perfect. 10/10!  This post has been edited by Carter-Hot: Dec 19th 2005, 10:29 AM |
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| dr lee |
Dec 22nd 2005, 10:03 PM
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Lieutenant Colonel  Group: Members Posts: 1,342 Joined: February 16th 2005 From: england Member No.: 8,109 Gender: Male |
just watched this episode and i agree with carter-hot, this episode rocked!
poor old zelenka stuck with those brats  i had seen an image of beckett, zelenka, mackay and cadmin with zelenka cover in his 'warpaint' a few months ago and at the time i though 'when the hell was that taken?' and when i saw him i realised it was this one.teyla's singing.... personally not my style but none the less it was good and helped create the tension at the end well. caldwell as goa'uld? well i'd heard that this was the case a day b4 i saw the episode with my brothers and i was surpirsed to see the lack of hints that it could be him. when they beamed him into the room my bro turned to me and said 'it's him isn't it?' very good twist by TPTB. the question i had after the episode was 'when and how was caldwell 'goa'ulded'? » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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| Pitry |
Dec 26th 2005, 5:11 AM
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Colonel  Group: Members Posts: 1,785 Joined: February 19th 2003 From: Israel Member No.: 745 Gender: Female |
Yup, it was a good episode. I, too suspected Cadman (it was obvious it wasn't cavanagh tho, just because he is the obvious suspect).
Cavanagh tho leads me again to my usual rant about Atlantis and morality. It's not that it bothers me if they take a moral stand that is opposed to mine. It's the fact they're unwilling to take it to the end. This entire "oh Cavanagh fainted before we had the time to torture him so all's alright" bit was an extremely cowardish get away from the problem they presented. I'm not even talking about the consistent stand SG1 always made concerning these issues.. it's the fact that to get whatever message they were trying to make, whether the end justifies the means or not, they should have taken it to the end, whatever they chose. Leaving it hanging there just nullefies the entire issue... and that's frustrating. For me, at least. Oh, and I am rather pisse off tho with the consistent "by any means necessary" attitude that seems to be the Atlantis line. I thought Weir lost her tendency to do whatever Sheppard tells her back in Hot Zone? Other than that (and, er, well, Teyla singing, but everyone's gonna know what I'll say about that, so.. ;)) it was a very cool episode. I totally didn't see the Coldwell as Goa'uld bit coming... heh. The Teyla story (minus ceremony) was also nice. Seems finally the writers want to give her a shred of personality ;) Zelenca was hilarious, so was the 101 Delmations\Lord of the Rings bit (I can so see the exact same thing happens when Binder\Wright were trying to explain it to the rest of the writers.. now it's only left to see who's the secret Delmations fan there :P) and all the SGC scenes - I knew Beau Bridges is in the episode but I was very surprised to see Barret, Dr Lee and Walter... huh. For a moment there I was watchign and then.. "er, what? Is this Atlantis?!" And I was thining I'd have to wait to January for new SG1 eps! :D |
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| Mister Oragahn |
Dec 26th 2005, 11:53 AM
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Lieutenant Colonel Group: Members Posts: 1,261 Joined: July 20th 2003 Member No.: 2,085 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(Sibylle @ Dec 14th 2005, 11:58 AM) I think it is a bit stupid that the ZPM is able of overloading itself in such a short notice of time.... It holds the power to keep the WHOLE GIGANTIC CITY shielded for several weeks/months while allmost all of the wraith ships are firing at full power!!!!! WTF, kewl!! But again, when it is asked to dial the gate to earth is will use somuch power it is needed to be controlled ... ?????? stupid i think.....the amount of power used is just to few, why would it drain extra power????? It's a problem. That would explain why using 3 ZPMs at 33.3% is better than using one only at 100%. Then we have to remember Siege Part III. McKay said that this ZPM would only hold for days, as less than weeks, so the higher limit is like, err, 13 days and several hours. The trouble is that the idea wasn't that the ZPM would then overload, but that it would be depleted. So we're stuck with stargates suddenly requiring huge amounts of energy, much more than what's necessary to withstand a constant orbital bombardment from 10 Wraith capships, while on the other hand we have cases where a mcgyvered simple liquid naqahdah cell enhanced with some fancy ancient tech can reach another far galaxy, much more distant than Pegasus. And then, there's McKay who says that the ZPM overload would destroy the planet. We're talking about the same ZPM which was used for an Earth-Pegasus long stargate connection, then used for a spacetrip between Earth and Atlantis, and then used for temporary protection against a fleet bombardment for several hours, and then used to provide energy to the whole city and feed the cloaking device. And with all that energy sucked out, it can still destroy a planet. I'm not sure things add up. It's not about the maximum level of energy a ZPM can release that I have problems with, but about the failsafe/overload mechanic and the difference of energy between an Erath-Atlantis stargate connection and a Wraith bombardment. Either the stargate draws much more energy, in some unexplainable exponentional way (and even in contradiction with previous events - see SG-1 Fifth Race), or the Wraith are firing with watercannons. |
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| Pitry |
Jan 2nd 2006, 11:44 AM
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Colonel Group: Members Posts: 1,785 Joined: February 19th 2003 From: Israel Member No.: 745 Gender: Female |
Oh, yeah. Nitpick season.
Why oh why do you take out a Goa'uld with an Asgaard beam?! What's so wrong in flying Coldwell to the Tok'Ra?! And don't "p3M" stars belong to Pegasus? I don't recall a single MW star that was designated with an "m". No, wait, there was one in season 2. ;) |
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| Auntie Em! |
Jan 2nd 2006, 2:31 PM
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Sipping on fine wine!  Group: Donating Members Posts: 5,918 Joined: March 22nd 2005 From: Northwestern Ontario, Canada Member No.: 8,565 Gender: Female |
Pitry you know I love ya right but WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!
 What is a P3m star? This post has been edited by Auntie Em!: Jan 2nd 2006, 2:32 PM |
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| Pitry |
Jan 4th 2006, 1:07 PM
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Colonel Group: Members Posts: 1,785 Joined: February 19th 2003 From: Israel Member No.: 745 Gender: Female |
LoL, Em, sorry!
The designation of differnet stargates. In Atlantis it's always "P3M - " then three numbers. SG! usually gets "P3X-" then three numbers. In the SGC debriefing, Dr Lee suggests sending a team to a planet in the MY designated by "P3M - "three numbers, like the Atlantis ones. I'm a horrible nitpicker, meknows. |
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| Auntie Em! |
Jan 6th 2006, 8:23 AM
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Sipping on fine wine! Group: Donating Members Posts: 5,918 Joined: March 22nd 2005 From: Northwestern Ontario, Canada Member No.: 8,565 Gender: Female |
OH DOH to me Pitry! Now I understand. Sorry love!
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| Droncha |
Jan 9th 2006, 1:09 PM
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Civilian  Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: January 9th 2006 From: Tallinn, Estonia Member No.: 10,859 Gender: Male |
Hey, I see that I'm not the only one who liked Teyla's singing. Maybe someone knows where to get her song in mp3? I did think about taking it from the episode itself, but it is mized with other sounds, so that wouldn't be pretty!
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| linda_lol |
Jan 14th 2006, 7:56 PM
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Chief Master Sergeant  Group: Members Posts: 482 Joined: March 13th 2004 From: Playing jaffa with Teal'c! Member No.: 3,933 Gender: Female |
This episode was bleh, I didn't like it. Shepard was funny, and it was kinda sad at the end because I actually had an urge for him to go with the Ancient, though, overall, I liked last weeks better.
I'll give it a 7. |
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| Acaurie |
Jan 20th 2006, 10:29 PM
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Civilian Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: January 20th 2006 Member No.: 10,955 Gender: Female |
Any idea where I can get that song? That was fantastic...She has a beautiful voice!!!
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| danielfan |
Jan 20th 2006, 10:45 PM
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Senior Master Sergeant  Group: Members Posts: 377 Joined: May 5th 2005 From: Atlanta GA Member No.: 9,002 Gender: Female |
QUOTE The designation of differnet stargates. In Atlantis it's always "P3M - " then three numbers. SG! usually gets "P3X-" then three numbers. I think the different letters represent the environment of the planet/moon |
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| Lisa |
Jan 21st 2006, 1:27 AM
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Senior Airman  Group: Members Posts: 104 Joined: July 17th 2005 From: Sub-Level 28, The SGC. Member No.: 9,556 Gender: Female |
Okay. So basically, I thought that the plot of this episode was roughly strung together. Or at least felt that way. This is how I saw the episode.
"Landry...there's a bomb!" SGC: *GASP* WE NEED TO TELL ATLANTIS! Lee: Random LOTR thing which was hilarious. SGA: *Recieves message* There's a bomb. But not really a bomb. It's a...GOA'ULD! Everyone: *Gasps* SGA: Random tension. And funny exchange of dialogue between Shepard and Ronan. Turns out Colonel Codwell is a GOA'ULD! When the heck did that happen? End of Episode. *Shrug* Oh well. I still watched it. Mainly because of the "Midnight bark" comment and Shepard: What'd you do to him? Ronan: Nothing. He passed out before I could touch him. This post has been edited by Lisa: Jan 21st 2006, 1:28 AM |
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| linda_lol |
Jan 21st 2006, 1:29 AM
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Chief Master Sergeant Group: Members Posts: 482 Joined: March 13th 2004 From: Playing jaffa with Teal'c! Member No.: 3,933 Gender: Female |
QUOTE This episode was bleh, I didn't like it. Shepard was funny, and it was kinda sad at the end because I actually had an urge for him to go with the Ancient, though, overall, I liked last weeks better. I'll give it a 7. I feel like an idiot right now because I actually posted in the wrong topic. Idiot me. Well, I guess I'll reply now. I absolutely loved this episode, the music at the end was beautiful! What surprised me was the very end with who it would be. Throughout the episode I was trying to point out certain subjects and wondering how Weir could possibly be the suspect, which, I later found out was that the commercial tricked us. Anyway, whoa, that Colonel. He was the last guy on my list. Hhhhmmmm.... I can't wait to see what he has to say with the snake out of his head. QUOTE Any idea where I can get that song? That was fantastic...She has a beautiful voice!!! Was that Teyla's or someone lip syncing? |
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| jjpywakit |
Jan 21st 2006, 3:08 AM
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Civilian Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: March 19th 2005 Member No.: 8,512 Gender: Not Telling |
QUOTE(Auntie Em! @ Dec 5th 2005, 10:56 PM) Cavanough.... me thinks he is an ass. I love when the Asgard look up and tells him to "stop talking please. Thank you." I almost peed my pants when they were just about to push the engage button to earth and McKay yells. "STOP". I got chills all over. Oh my when the gate started to dial itself without the ZPM I was oh my goodness. The NID are nasty asses. Sneaky. I loved seeing the SGC in the episodes. Not for a few seconds either but quite a bit there. I thought that Cadmin was the one who planeted the bomb but when I saw Cavaungh I thought imediately that it was that slimy ass kissing moron of a man. What is with Cadmin suddenly being an explosive expert? :blink: It was suspicious that Cavanagh kept coming and going from Atlantis. Begging to come back to Atlanis after he begged to leave after "The Siege" only to stay for 3 weeks before begging to leave again. The guy is an ass. What was in those encryptic messages he did send. He may not have planeted the failsafe code in the end but something is pretty fishy with him. He is a wimp for passing out also. *Shivers* I cannot stand him. Lots of good Big D shots. Love that they used them to relay the messages back and forth. Funny how the Big D left back for Atlantis without permission. This was a very good Teyla episode. Why so many hate her I do not understand. The Ring ceramony, it was beautiful. Teyla singing. WOW. Galic in nature. It was awesome. Great to get a Telya story. No bomb? Just screwing with the power flow regulators? The goa'uld rewrote the program surrrounding the ZPM securing it with a failsafe code. I was like what about the captain of the Big D. Caldwell. How come no one suspected him. As I said I got suspicious when the Big D turned to come back to Atlantis leaving the SGC in the lurch. When they beamed him out I knew it. When his eyes glowed I was like HOLEY sh*t! Smart move with the tazer gun as that has been well established in Stargate SG-1. I loved the interplay bewteen the ceramony and hightening tension of a impending wraith attack. Zelinka :laugh: How funny was he in all those little pigtails. How pissed at McKay was he! Nice that McKay did not save the day but rather a junior character. This episode was stupid as all hell! Especially the Teyla singing thing!!! Freakin dumb! The worst SG Atlantis episode so far! One of the main things that makes this show good is the funny dialogues between characters - (looks like a door! - yes it is amazingly door-like isn't it") - where was it? Very choppy progression culminating in that stupid singing scene - I was very dissappointed with this episode - not up to par with the last one at all! Goauld in Caldwell - so what....Goaulds have been in so many SG members its not a big deal nor a big surprise! QUOTE(Circe @ Dec 8th 2005, 11:53 PM) I was wondering why the info snippet from my Rodgers guide said McKay was to get a love interest and it never happened. Why did they change the show? I just went and read the spoiler and it sounds like the episode would have been better had they left it the way it said it was going to be in the spoiler. I would like to see someone other than Shep get the girl. I would also like to just throw in once again that the Tayla singing bit was just dreadful :sick: I hated it so much I have to say it twice. :sick: Thank you! I totally agree - The Teyla singing thing was way over the top in the stupid category! This post has been edited by jjpywakit: Jan 21st 2006, 3:02 AM |
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| Trudi~ |
Jan 21st 2006, 8:39 AM
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Civilian Group: Members Posts: 19 Joined: January 18th 2006 From: 8) Member No.: 10,939 Gender: Female |
The Teyla singing was beautiful. I loved how they kept the music going, as they showed everyone else. How can you say that it was dumb? It shows a different side to Teyla I think. As far as the Goauld, I was surprised that it was in Caldwell, and happy because then Ronon got to beat him up!
The LOTR joke was great, along with many other things in this episode. One of the best of the second season so far. 10/10 |
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| Ziu |
Jan 21st 2006, 9:11 AM
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Staff Sergeant  Group: Members Posts: 180 Joined: July 28th 2004 Member No.: 5,813 Gender: Male |
I liked this episode a lot. I definitely was a surprise who the Goa'uld was.
Looks like all folks need to be screened for being a Goa'uld. Hopefully better than Airport Security.  |
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| startreksuite |
Jan 21st 2006, 10:46 AM
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Senior Airman Group: Members Posts: 115 Joined: March 26th 2005 From: Boston, MA , USA Member No.: 8,622 Gender: Male |
Intense episode! I'm sure certain members won't be happy with the murder mystery aspect of this show! I also was on the edge of my seat when Rodney yelled "Stop!" when the tech had his hand hovering over the last symbol! I was so sure Kavanaugh did it, since he was so shady, and didn't like anything that was going on! Colonel Caldwell as Gou'ld? A shocker! But considering that the other former X-Files characters were questionable (Spender as a reporter ready to let out the Stargate secret, the Cigarette Smoking Man as an Orii), I should have figured it out. I loved Teyla's singing, the song in general was cool. Does anyone know if that was really her? I think if she had an album I'd buy it! Rodney was genius as well, keeping the ZPM from activating as long as possible! I am truly surprised that Ronan took Caldwell out as soon as he did, without Caldwell throwing so much as a punch! Hmmm.... And John just shot him with a tazer, and got him to confess? I think that scene could have been more developed! Oh well, great episode over all
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| rob117 |
Jan 21st 2006, 11:05 AM
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Second Lieutenant  Group: Members Posts: 540 Joined: April 18th 2004 From: Albany, New York Member No.: 4,858 Gender: Male |
Really great episode. In fact all three shows had really great episodes this Friday.
I actually like that they're beginning to cross over between SG1 and Atlantis more often. It's very important to make sure that these shows continue to take place in the same reality as each other. Show of hands for a confrontation between the Wraith, the Goa'uld, and the Ori... |
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| Ilzy |
Jan 21st 2006, 11:11 AM
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First Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 691 Joined: March 2nd 2005 From: Latvia Member No.: 8,299 Gender: Female |
QUOTE(startreksuite @ Jan 21st 2006, 5:46 PM) I loved Teyla's singing, the song in general was cool. Does anyone know if that was really her? I think if she had an album I'd buy it! Yup, it was really her! Wouldn't have believed it if I wasn't told otherwise  |
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