Wow. Heated. Arn't forums fun? As for the they were married vs. they wernt, im going to have to agree with the latter. I think that when Weir was spouting out all of the " thats not a way to treat your wife" comments it was simply for ironic purposes only. Why would two people who are obivously from feuding communities get married? and they just blantently hate each other. In my opinion it was just as a brilliant sarcastic piece, that perhaps only they would acctually appreciate.
I liked this episode myself, not so much for the acctuall accurate stargate episode, but more for the comical, space filler type. Yea, there were some major gaps in the whole sci fi reality factor, but it was appealing from a different standpoint i think. maybe? no?
Also the pod thing, really reminded me of Lifeboat of season 7...did anyone else find them at least..relitively similar?

It has three selections on the switch: Safe, Semi-Auto, and Full-Auto.

In this episode it was set to Full-Auto. Ronan should have been hit more then once.
That bullet hit him in the dead center of his stomach... he mos likely would have been hit several more times.

And that bullet wound was a major wound. He should be dead. Or in need of a long recovery time.

PS: That bullet did not look right. It should have fragmented. It looked way to strait and pointy.


This post has been edited by Atlantians: Jan 9th 2006, 7:16 PM

First of all the Asgard installed the beaming tech on the Big D and It would be too much to ask them them to come to Atlantis to install them. I mean they could stuff up the systems and who knows block the team out of the mainframe completely. And if this episode got solved in two minutes what would be the point in that.

Big Shep/Weir shipper talking: Loved the kiss


This post has been edited by Cindy: Jan 9th 2006, 8:58 PM

thanks sweetie, i had a feeling they had been in before and i just didn't remember, now i know why - i was too busy repressing Ford to retain the memory of them

as far as the episode goes, i liked it for the comedy value but there are several major flaws in the plot - firstly after dealing with the Goa'uld for so long, especially with cauldwell back as a timely reminder i can NOT believe they fell for the 'would you like to talk to Elizabeth' line, especially when it was blatantly obviouse when she started talking that it wasn't her

i also have a problem with Ronan trusting Shephard as someone else already mentioned - he's a very un-trusting person, no way would he be dumb enough to fall for that crap

thirdly i don't buy Teyla saving the day or them having enough faith in her abilities to actually send her off on her own and believe she could be of any use

fourth i don't think Ronan would have gotten shot so easily

and my main problem s WHY THE FRELL DID THAT DOOR NOT CRUSH HER HEAD???????? come on i wasn't the only one thinking 'just lie there a tiny bit longer' i know i wasn't

Don't get me wrong I like SGA. I just hate it when they waste episodes like that. I mean who cares about 2 members of 2 races we don't know anything about trying to kill each other. They have more then explored the possibility of taking over somebodies mind in season 2, so I think it's about time they think of something else.

I agree with you on McKay. It's him and Shepard that keep the comedy alive in the show otherwise it would
be preety boring if you ask me.

i have to agree with you on that count, some of the recent episodes are becoming very repetetive, i dont understand it, there are some amazing writers working on the show you would think they would manage to think outside the box occasionally if they dont come up with some truely original ideas soon even the comedy value of the show won't be enough to keep it alive.

Ah, okay, I understand. Sorry, I was just really surprised and was up for a good discussion for the positive aspects of things. I knew that much of the conflict was simple, but I really didn't give much of a care for it. It's tv, tv does that all the time.

Yeah, I love McKay, this is the funniest I've seen him. And the comment about the chicks between him and Carson, priceless. I love McKay. Shepard is pretty good too with the whole "clown" thing. This episode kinda reminded me of Window of Opportunity. It wasn't much of a serious episode, even though this one was supposed to. But still, I find some similarities.

Worst stargate episode EVER!
I was so totally beyond suspension of disbelief after watching Doctor Weir turn into the one and physically overcome all those wimpy male soldiers with just a few swings of her musclebound bodybuilder wrists I kept waiting for Keanu Reeves to pop out and talk about the Matrix.

What a complete waste of time.

My score -5 out of 10.

Fire the writers!

MYOB'
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funny episode... but where did weir get all that weapons and tactics training?

ok now imagine this episode except with cadman and mckay instead of weir and shep...

...
mckay: (fires wildly) EXPLOSIVES expert, eh!?
(more weapons exchange)
cadman: (fires) high temperature and energetic materials technologist you dim wit!
...
and so forth.. hehe
and for the coupe de grace:

cadman: hey rodney come **** (sleep with) me.
mckay: (smiles & suprised) really?
(mckay walk towards cadman)
(cadman smiles)
(they embrace)
(cadman breaks mckay's neck)
cadman: (at mckay's dead corpse) oh yea, my alternative was law school. (some female gesture)
SCENE ENDS

hehe

WTF, I did it again damn it! Agh, I keep posting the wrong reviews in the wrong episodes. I'm an idiot.

Well, I hope I'm posting in the right episode.

A posessed Shepard and Weir right? Kinda like Lifeboat? I liked this episode a lot, very funny, and tense. Wow, and what's with the tensities between McKay and the X-Goa'uld. They're always fighting, though, I love it. And as for the kiss, ah, I want more.

If the writers are reading then please, can we have more episodes like this? I'm craving them bad right now.

Auntie Em, the plot about the aliens was a rip-off of one of the last episodes from the original Star Trek series.
I can't remember the title, but it was about the two half black half white aliens who fought for almost eternity while their planet had been destroyed.
The SGA only added the possesion to make it slightly different.

Great episode! The writing was good, the acting was superb, especially on Torri's part. It was funny. and serious at the same time. Mckay fighting with Caldwell was great, I still don't like him, even without the gh'ould.


Sheppard did act a little too much like Sheppard, I guess it mainly was because unlike Weir, the alien possesing him wanted to make everyone believe that he was still Sheppard...Weir didn't care anymore, her alien had enough confidence to think she could take him out on her own. The end was funny, where Weir started to remember the things she had done, and said. And the kiss was great!


9/10

Oh yeah that is right. How could one forget the half white, half black men! Thanks Ziu!

Star Trek Did It! http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/seri...sode/68118.html
First Season of Deep Space Nine, Kira and Sisko taken over by alien's and fighting each other. I hate these episodes that dont help with much character development or main story lines, filler episodes that are almost worse than watching a re-run.
As far as Ronan (sp?) the Military uses a full metal jacket, so the bullet would have passes through with out exploding or mushrooming like hunting rounds do, this is from the Genevia Convention I belive, so I can belive that he was still alive, maybe there was a fragment, but it wouldnt have exploded.

but the p90s 5.7mm round was designed to not overpenetrate its target. That info was from p90 promo from FNh website, so it could be propaganda

Interesting, all the while I was thinking of another Classic Trek episode where Spock and Kirk were taken over by an entity, or STNG where Data, Worf, and O'Brien were taken over by an entity, and both episodes the entities took over the ship, if memory serves me well. I was thinking while watching the beginning of the episode, oh, a romance story, how different! But when they grabbed weapons and tried shooting at each other, I was thinking, how stupid! To come back to life in another's body just to kill someone else in a chamber! She could have just destroyed the chamber her enemy was in, and be done with it! Oh well, I hope next weeks is better!

I enjoyed this episode.

I enjoyed seeing Caldwell return and be a bit more humble. I can also see how both he and Mckay could appreciate what was happening with Weir and Sheppard.

First off, I knew as soon as they asked to speak to Weir, that was not Weir. This "Weir" was too peppy, too happy, too mushy. This was not the Weir that we have known. Thie was Phoebus interpretation of what Weir would be like. That was obvious to me.

Second, Phoebus and Thalan were not married. That was also quite obvious to me. They were enemies, plain and simple. Phoebus was being sarcastic when she was speaking of "her husband."

Does everyone remember the Star Trek Episode starring Frank Gorshin? The one about two people with half white and half black faces? The only difference was that their faces was colored different on each side. They were the last of their races, and one of them had to win. All of their people had been killed off. This was the same story, but the different take was the imprinting of their person onto someone else to finish the fighting. Both of their people were all dead, but one race had to win.

One thing that should have happened, and I have read the posts, both Weir's and Shep's access codes should have been locked out for everything on Atlantis as soon as they took off. They had already attacked Beckett, Mckay and Caldwell. that should have been enough for them to lockout their codes. Huge mistake by the writers. Maybe it will be a protocol now. I mean, once something like this happened on SG, a new protocol went into practice, Foothold, the Iris, IDC, etc. So maybe this mistake was done on purpose so that they will make some changes.

Hmm... I didn't think the kiss was that convincing actually. Maybe I'd have to watch it again. The kiss between McKay and Sam seemed way more intimate. I dunno. I guess I had the same reaction as Rodney: "huh".


You were definitely not the only one wishing she was out cold for just a little bit longer. You really think those doors could decaptiate? Though, this episode is probably the first one where she actually seems useful.

Aside from being somewhat of a "filler" story, I can see potential for new stories that feed off of this one in the future. Consider that the ailens were able to access all of Weir and Sheppard's knowledge, why should it not work in the reverse? Weir and Sheppard should now be uniquely aware of the civilization these feuding aliens came from and be able to mount an expedition to the planet they habitated to find out what happened and wether or not they still exist, or at least, if there is any technology they can salvage. Afterall, as a "living blackbox" you'd expect the possessed to get more out of the interaction than just an invader right?

Overall, I enjoyed this episode, but then, I've been enjoying all of season 2.

I loved the McKay/ Caldwell bickering. Caldwell talked down to Rodney, and he's not used to that treatment. And Caldwell reminding McKay that he didn't approve of the whole thing to begin with... Ah, it was funny.

I thought it was interesting that the person controlling Shepard used the term stalemate, they where supposed to be aliens then how did he know that term?

I think it is even more ironic that they knew how to speak and understand English yet you pick one word out of everything they said and are shocked!

It's the old everyone is speaking English question.

Who wants to spend the first 20 minutes of every episode learning how to understand each other.

Just because I'm lazy, and I'm a true cynic at heart, I'm going to rip-off glom (and essentially the Cynic) with a little bit of OF THE WEEK, just for the fun of it. You can tar and feather me later!

APATHY OF THE WEEK: So Ronon got shot, big woop. I found myself really not caring. His character is stereotyped and underdeveloped. Boo. Was it tension they were going for, because putting your lead characters in deadly situations week after week gets somewhat stale after a while, and not only because you know they're not actually going to die...

SLAPSTICK OF THE WEEK: Teyla's head almost getting crushed in the door! The look on her face, and the general situation made me laugh, though it did seem a bit out of place. Interesting how later on Sheppard was able to be propped between the doors quite nicely, without being crushed, though I suppose that could be explained away with saying the power was down...*rationalises*

NEW PROP OF THE WEEK: Where the frick did they get those fancy new phase-pistol doohickies? Are they Ancient?

EUNUCH OF THE WEEK: Caldwell - "I'm not going to tell you what to do." - here's an idea Caldwell: grow a freakin' pair! You're the commanding officer, and you're leaving the fate of Atlantis in the hands of an underling? Sure, it was probably supposed to show how difficult the situation was, and to perhaps add some humanity to Caldwell's character, but it didn't wash.

NAUSEA OF THE WEEK: Once again, we have the hideous panning/zooming shots between different sections of the city, like we saw in The Siege; at least they weren't flashed up on the screen every five seconds, like last time. Still, I felt my stomach turn...

(don't worry glom, this is just a one off, I'm not stealing your thang! )

That being said, I did enjoy the interaction between Not-Weir and Not-Sheppard - it was nice to see them in roles that were so different from their norms!

*flees*

This post has been edited by Parmenides: Feb 15th 2006, 5:11 PM

I didnt overly enjoy this episode. I found it to be quite boring with barely any story. I actually preferred 'The Tower' over this episode.

How stupid are the Atlantis team ? Why would they trust Weir when she was admitteldy under the control of an alien influence. And then to allow Shepard have the other alien conscienceness downloaded into him. Have they learned nothing from the SG mission reports? Really, I think the writers could have done a this a bit better.

And what happened to Shepard? He used to be a fairly intelligent person, with good judgement. Yet in the last 2 epsiodes alone he has displayed a disturbing lack of judgement and a surprising amount of trust in alien strangers.

Apart from that, the epsiode was alright. Shepard vs Weir battle had some action. Ronon got shot, for a change, and at least now we know what happened to Caldwell. I guess he wasn't orignally working for the Trust. It was intresting to see him in charge of Atlantis and having to fight Mckay for it. Although, I don't know why Mckay thought he'd be better in charge.

Hurray, another chance to get a sample of the lockdown alarm sound. This time I got a perfectly crystal clear copy of it that now loops at the correct interval. If anyone wants a copy, let me know.