well maybe u can trick the wraith into thinking we moved atlantis to that world

or that the ancients were still around.. im pretty sure, the wraith would "unite" and go for em.. why fight em, let em fight each other

me may have 10,000 year old tech but we got the "whose your daddy" anti replicator cannons and human ingeniuity which they dont have ;D

I think it would be a great episode, the "Ancient replicators" maybe they may be beaten with something small instead a huge weapon, maybe that thing in the spoiler about weir is to form a flash alliance with all the wraith and send them to whipe out the asurans by taking them by surprice, maybe the first strike didnt went as good as jack oneill thinked. we know now that the ancients where smart as hell, but they didnt saw the obvius on things and they undestimated their enemy too much, maybe a computer virus or just a EMP, something that may backfire them, anyway they may survive too, so im waiting this episode and see some asgard ships on atlantis and i hope the "apollo" has more resistance and better firepower than a standar x304.

This post has been edited by TOCATL: Oct 18th 2006, 4:03 AM

I whole heartedly agree with you on this.

While the DSC-304s are better ships than the Prometheus they are still seriously lacking in the firepower department. Also if the Apollo does hae better weapons and such then it'll show why that ship was sent instead of the Odyssey.

I wonder if, if the ship is a DSC-304 MKII, it'll have upgraded railguns or a completely different weapons system?

i just read sg1 solution. and they said that they are gonna use numerous mk 9 nuclear warhead to destroy the anicent replicator fleet. COOL NUMBEROUS MK 9 NUKES. finally some more action.

Mybe i look kind of negative, but a lot of nukes i dont think they work very well, the asurans have drones an many, many, many ZPMs, so their shileds would be impenetrable, not even direct nuke impacts would work, so maybe the ending of the episode would be something very diferent.

Nukes also give off EMP that would disable machines and stuff...So, there is a possibility that the emp given off from the nukes may affect the asurans...Though i admit, there might be a small chance for that.

Also they can also transport the nukes with their Asgard transport technology within the confines of the city and ships where it would destroy everything inside the shield.

This post has been edited by jacksworld: Oct 26th 2006, 11:56 AM

unfortunately, you can't beam a nuke through shields, so that approach wouldn't work i'm affraid! i'm not sure if the whole asuran planet would be shielded like atlantis is but one thing i would expect is for them to have some seriously sh*t hot planetary defences like the langrian satellite. so i'm thinking a direct attack on the asuran home planet would be pretty short lived.

if the spoilers are true and we do go with a pre-emptive strike against the asuran fleet, i'm guessing the ship building stations aren't near their home planet. if they are, then realistically we should get a pretty good spanking.

but what will be exciting is to see is what kind of ships the asurans build. with their technology being based completely on ancient tech, we could finally find at if the orion class ships were the best the ancients had. i'm pretty sure tha asurans will build the best and most powerful ships at their disposal.

I find that idea to be ingenius.! However the Wraith are roaming the galaxy for thousands of years now, they must know that the Asurans are there and what they are.
But still, it would be great if we were to see that on screen.

Well, we dont know whether they have there shields up or not. If we can manage to get them by surprise...which would probably be unlikely considering there technology, we should be able to beam nukes atthem.

Maybe they can send torpedo missiles underwater and damage its central axis. Do Shields go around the city including the submerged areas of the city?

Does that sound like a stupid idea? its really late here or very early. Sleep deprivation...

From what we saw at the very beginning of 'Rising', the shields only extend over the top of the city they don't cover the underside of Atlantis. The only problem with that is Atlantis would be relatively unprotected if it was attacked while in space. Although we haven't seen it, I'd say that the shields must form a sphere around the entire city.

when we find the replicators, didnt thier ship have shileds while they were in gyperspace, like the top was a 1/2 sphere, but the botton was like a giant contact lens??

ok the replicators shields have to cover the whole city but wat if they got a team inside and id say that its gonna be the main charachters gettin into the asuran city if the apollo gets destroyed!! the replicators obviousally have a defence system on the planet but im not sure wat it is. The new ship if they are going for a new desing id say there gonna make it a mix of the x-303 and x-304 like a hybrid ship. also ya jus know the season has to end with a band so one ship is going bye bye.I'd say its gonna be the asguard that help to save the day and there is stil another aincent warship out there with no hyper drive(the return pt1) so maybe thats gonna help.Back to the asuarn defences if they have drones the ships as well as destroyed but if its only ships they have to defend themselves with there might be a little chance comment back

I'm just wondering what they'll do with the daedalus once the apollo arrives? Is it goin to become a trans-galactic shuttle? Does this mean an even smaller part for mitch pileggi? At least this means that the season 4 opener won't focus mainly around a hive ship. And at least we can rest easy that this isn't it for atlantis.

It depends on what TPTB want to do with the ship. They have a habit of destroying ships lately so I guess we'll have to wait and see. Given that season 9 of SG-1 ended with the destruction of one ship, I'd say there is a chance Apollo will survive a while.

ya but id say they might get rid of the deadlus and keep the apollo or keep them both at the end of this season and blow one up next season

I know i said this earlier in the thread bit i believe that if the new ship survives that episode then it'll be down to the Fans reactions weather it survives any further

ya but then how will they end the season?? they might get sheppard and that lot trapped in the city or have the asuran fleet take off and start towards atlantis

We already know the basics of the finale:
The Apollo arrives in Pegasus with orders to destroy the Asurn fleet before it can launch and attack Atlantis. The whole point of a season finale is that we don't know what will exactly happen. It's almost certain there wil be some sort of cliff hanger but details like that are very rarely known at this point.

Putting two and two together i think we've just been told who will play



If i am correct then it'l be....

The Clifhanger is the only thing that we can expect for sure.!

(The Assurans and the Wraith are left overs from the downfall of the Ancients. The Wraith are roaming the Pegasus Galaxy for the last 10,000 years, they have to be aware of the Assurans. They know that they cannot be fed upon and that they are a formidable enemy but since the Assurans don't care to expand anywhere or directly take authoritative position on the Galaxy, the Wraith generally live them alone.

However, in all this time there must have been battles between the Assurans and the Wraith. For starters, the latter needed some information about the nature of the Assurans in the first place and they have initially been programmed to attack the Wraith. Also the Assurans don't forget grudges and while they may lie dormant for many many years, they always have a plan of revenge against their enemies (Ancients, Wraith, now Atlantians too) that they slowly put in the works. Time doesn't have the same meaning for them, so they are in no hurry to take action.)

I was thinking that maybe the Assurans prepare to strike the Wraith. We assume they will come for us and so we prepare to strike first. In the meantime the Wraith have gotten intelligence that the Assurans are planning to attack them, so they have a plan underway to counter-attack the attackers.

We have our own plan and despite Dr Weir's worries about the orders to attack first, we go forth with the Apollo and possibly the Deadalus for operation 'first strike' unknowingly that as we begin our attack, on our six the Wraith are coming.

The plan doesn't go exactly as we have hoped and between all three of us (Atlantians, Wraith, Assurans), we are in the worst position - The end - Cliffhanger!

That's my theory!

it would be cool if when the apollo is taking care of the asuran fleet a whole load of wraith arrive a theres jus a huge fight the effects would be brilliant

As cool as it would be to see a dozen hive ships drop out of hyperspace behind the apollo and start firing at the asuran fleet, i doubt we'll see it happen as the asurans have no immediate concerns for the wraith. unless we use the apollo to lure the wraith to the asuran fleet. i just can't see one little x304/305 being able to work a pre emptive strike against the asurans all by itself.

This post has been edited by baggers1982: Nov 23rd 2006, 6:34 PM

ok this how i think its going to end when the apollo attacks the replicators it all gos wrong the the nukes are detroyed by drones or shields the replicator fleet comes from the plante and attacks the dadulase and apollo one of them gets beaten the sh*t out of whilst the other retreats who ever is on the damage ship is transported to the fleet most likely mckay to add perile, then the fleet heads for atlantis.

however as i write this it sounds alot like the ending of season 2 but is could still happen