Oh i'm sorry, well what happend to ford was, this wraith attacked him and they were blown off a bridge of Atlantis. Ford was kept alive in the water by the enzyms the wraith created flowing through his blood. The wraith died and then Ford went crazy and started acting like a wraith then at the end he left Atlantis. some of the hive ships were destroyed by the Dedilious teleporting nuculear war heads in there ship. In the end The atlantians fooled the Wraith into beleiving that Atlantis was destroyed and the Wraith left.

thanx for clearing things out stargate_addict,( btw i'm also addict to stargate )

I've always thought that the risk of an episode with three parts always is that the story becomes boring. That definitely didn?t happen here. In my opinion this part was the best of the three.

The Daedalus: very cool. I liked the idea of mixing Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis and it didn?t disappoint. The jokes with Hermiod, and Mitch Pileggi in the role of the Colonel Caldwell were very cool. I didn't think for one moment that Sheppard would die, but I didn't expect this. I did like the hug he got from Elizabeth and his reaction to it.

I also liked that they gave in to the philosophy of Stargate The Movie: the best use for atomic bombs is blowing up alien spaceships. And very funny thing was using Asgard technology to do it is frowned upon by the Asgard. But it did create a very awesome scene: the Daedalus VS twelve Wraith ships, or better Earth VS the Wraith.

I have to admit, from the five main characters I liked Aiden Ford the least, but I didn?t expect that he would turn evil. I didn't think he had it in him, but he was very scary and convincing as a half-Wraith. I didn't love this part, but I did think Ford is better off as a guest star than a main character (sorry for everybody out therre who likes Ford).

I thought the idea to hide the city was fantastic and any episode with a lot of A-bombs blowing up is a good one (unless people die). My conclusion: a successful end to a three-part episode.

Quote from above "I didn't think for one moment that Sheppard would die"

Does that mean Sheppard is no longer in the episode now is he really dead?

Watch the episode and find out for yourself!

So I finally saw this episode and it was AWESOME. Seriously, I thought it was one of the best episodes of Atlantis yet.

Firstly, the Daedelus. Like, so effin cool. And I like that Novak chick, she's cool. Although the Colonel is a bit of a nob. I swear I had no idea how they were gonna get out of trouble when there was the 12 (then 10) Hive Ships coming and McKay's like - "the sheild ain't gonna last". But the fabulous Sheppard, as always, saves the day.

I think it's really sad, what's happened to Ford, and I hope he doesn't get too messed up. But then, I suppose you can't get more messed up than he already is, huh?

I hope I see the next episodes soon!

The fact that it always seems like a character is about to die but then they don't die bugs me.
I mean with Atlantis it is ok because they havent done it that often but it does seem to get repeatative.
I hope that doesnt become the case with Atlantis.

Yeah you have a good point there Christy
I loved this epsiode it was both sad aswell as funny with rodney's coments.

I wish they would make Rodney a stronger character...he seems to weak for me, he's good at being funny but sometimes the way they script him is just stupid

Out of all the thing that they brought to Atlantis, why didn't they bring ZAT guns? if they did they would has a huge advantage over the Wraith.

Good question! This was posed earlier by other members, and we couldn't figure it out. My guess is that they didn't have enough storage, or forgot to bring them. or they were more comfortable with earth based weapons.

wot i didnt understand was.. y didnt they beam the nukes outside the wraith vessels...

a nukes a nukes a nuke, u dont need to put it inside something to damage it..

after all, they originally wanted to place nuclear mines out in space.
so when wraith ships touch it KABOOM, y not just beam the nukes right outside their windows, it wont blow em up completly but they'd be pretty damn damged

Brilliant episode. I was looking forward to this episode more than the premiere episode of SG1. Loved the bit where the Daedalus showed up. Definitely a ship moment with Weir and Sheppard when he returned. Ford was especially creepy, just as his character gets interesting he disappears.

The only nitpick I've got is what happened to the Athosians on the surface? The team dont mention them when most of the crew are evacuated onto the Daedalus. If they were evacuated what will happen to them now? The atmosphere and land are going to be affected by the fallout from the nuke.

You know, I never really thought about that one, but it is a huge nitpick. Perhaps the land is far enough away to not get effected? Or .... up comming plotline? Wait, I guess I'm giving TPTB too much credit for something so small, but you never know ...

Weren't the Athosians evacuated to Atlantis in the previous episodes? I mean i'm sure we saw some of them fighting the Wraith when they invaded the city. And if so, i'd think those unable to fight would have been evacuated to the Daedalus.

As for the fallout affecting the land, isn't the land quite a distance away from the city? And wasn't it said that the radiation wouldn't last for long? I could be mistaken on that part.

This post has been edited by hawkes: Oct 20th 2005, 12:46 AM

The badass seige kind of fizzled out. Ford's predicament at the end of the last episode was resolved thanks to Wraith guards being idiots. Shepherd's predicament was resolved with a bit fat cliche. Transporters are really a deus ex machina and when you bring them in, it's only a short time until you find that small concentrations of actinides disrupt their operation (in other words an Abrams tank is shielded against ST transporters). We took a dangerously close step today with the countermeasures bit. Fortunately, we were spared too much stupidity with that because the nature of the counter measures was unknown, so they didn't humiliate themselves by blaming it on a hydrogen-alpha field (or red light as it's commonly known).

When it comes to ships, I wish the writers would employ a Navy advisor to help them design space battles that make sense. The word "flanking" should not appear in any battle where any side has access to long range weapons. These are not 19th century galleons. On the plus side, even if it didn't appear that way from the viseffects, Shepherd did refer to a scale that was significantly greater that a few miles, which beats ST, but still is too small. Orbital space is heck of a lot of real estate.

Some have complained about the lack of 302s. I think it was a good thing about the show because it made more sense. When you've got a cruiser armed to the teeth with rail guns, you don't want fighters out there getting caught in the cross fire.

Having Hermod there was cool. It made sense as well that the Asgard would have some interest in preserving the Great City and so would send their messenger of the gods, the one brave enough to face Hel, ruler of the underworld (Hel representing the Wraith) and with Odin's steed Sleipnir (that being the technology given to Midgard by approval of the High Council over which Odin presides) he would travel to the Underworld. He even brought along his magical staff Gambantein (that being the console he was using).

The Ford bit was good. At least it meant real consequences and the introduction of the enzyme technobabble actually made sense. From what I know of biology, hormone might have been better though. Hormones are chemical messengers and they instruct the body to do things. An enzyme simply catalyses a particular chemical reaction. What particular chemical reaction could be catalysed that could keep the body resilient during feeding?

how coudl the zpm work for a ship in hyperspace/subspace, if it derives its power from "a self contained region of subspace" if they were in subspace, what woudl it derive its power from?

I'd forgotten how much I love Atlantis!
That explosion above the city looked amazing, and Ford is just damn creepy now.
Great scene with Rodney and those two Wraith. I love the fact that they've been there and year and he still can't use a gun properly.

*is off to re-watch Season one*

wow well worth the long wait to see that episode. how the Daedalus just destored the hive ships with ease and surviving 10 or so firering at it. but the best bit graphicly and writing wise had to have been who they tricked the waith just genioius.

i don't know if this has been brought up or not but when the renforcements came from eath they said that the Daedalus would be there in 4 days. well when shepard was in the puddle jumper heading towards the hive ship i don't think 4 days had passed form the time they were told it was on its way.

Colonel Everett said that the Daedalus would arrive within 4 days. That means it would take a maximum of 4 days to arrive, but would probably arrive sooner.

I have an off topic question, what happen to all the Friday light repeats at SciFi channel? It seems they are all gone this Friday. Did it move? As I miss some episodes and would like to watch them. Anyone?

check out www.scifi.com/schedulebot , and you will notice starting nov.4th that they are starting season 9 over again (which happends to be on a friday). I'm sure the channel did this so they could show b movies so we would miss stargate even more. And good news, they have been picked up for a 10th season!

YAY! STARGATE FOR A 10TH SEASON!
that's great news, given BB more of a chance to interact with everyone and more show time for him...i mean...think about the guy that played Jonas..one little season...ah well.

Now back to SGA, this episode was pretty cool, you gotta admit that.
I liked the way teyla just came in and save Mckay but it didnt feel right, it seemed too conveniant and i didn't believe her acting.

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I am thinking that the power source for the DHD only runs out when the gate is not in use for a long time. Therefore the power source recharges every time the gate is activated otherwise the gate system would have been inactive by now because the acients built the system thousands of years ago. Man those acients are smart