It was a good episode. I like how Ford betrayed though, it was quite dramatic. The Daedalus was awesome, it was better than I expected it to be. Asgard on bored was cool as well. The battle was great. Can't wait for next episodes.

Well we know that Wraiths were once ancients so maybe humans turn out different when they turn into Wraiths (I guess that is what is happening to him (he is turning into a wraith.))

Hi
I am from the UK and I have only just seen the end of season 1 and I logged on to see what was happening in season 2.
Having the folks from back home gallop to the rescue kind of spoiled it for me. It was an easy get out from a plot point of view.
Although I enjoy Atlantis alot, the easy plot get out kind of perptuates some of the unanswered questions I have about the show.

1) Why didnt the ancients just fly Atlantis away from the Pegasus Galaxy leaving the Wraiths far behind.
2) When they evacuated it why leave it intact knowing full well it would leave the Wraith with a gateway to an new feeding ground.
3) Surely to god the Ancients had more powerful ship than Puddle Jumper and if so where are they. They couldnt all have been destroyed in battle with the Wraith.
4) And most puzzling of all where the hell do ZPM come from and why cant they just make a few more.

Or am I thinking too much?

Mike

1) The Wraith would of probably followed them, they didnt want to show them how to get to Earth etc.
2)They sank the city, perhaps the Wraith thought it was destroyed. Its been 10,000 years and the Wraith didnt get in so i dont think evacuating and not destroying it was actually a problem.
3)They did have alot more powerful ships (As stated in the first season several times), but the sheer numbers of the Wraith were too many for them to handle. There technology is better.
4)The Ancients create the ZPM's, it doesnt seem that they were in short supply, when they returned to Earth they had 3 full capacity ZPM's (From 1.15) left running the shields. They seem to have enough, but the technology is far beyond the SGA's capabilities and over the 10,000 years they have become drained.

This post has been edited by Nnahrino: Jul 16th 2005, 3:48 PM

Did anyone else notice that the Wraith cruisers and hive ships don't have shields? It's kind of refreshing to see ships that rely on armor instead of shields in sci-fi.

Hi
Sorry didnt answer my questions.

1) The Wraith ships are clearly not capable of Inter galaxy flight. So they couldnt follow them.

2) I will give you the one on destroying the city.

3) Okay where are all the ancients Super ships? They couldnt all have been destroyed by the Wraith and as it has been clearly shown the Ancient's shield technology is far superior to anything the Wraith can throw at it. SO WHERE ARE THEY?

4) I will give you that one but there has to be a ZPM manufacturing facility somewhere.

Mike

Wow!
One word: Ford o.O


Really, 12 ships! I wonder how long it will take for wraith to figure out that Atlantis is still there
Why is Ford's eye all black anyway?

His right eye was strangely normal, his left eye though, watch out!

Hyper-space requires a huge amount of energy, which would no doubt mean lowering the shield? considering the Wraith were in orbit ready to bombard them at a moments notice I don?t think lowering the shields of an easy target like the city next to an armada would be a good idea.

Personally, I adored this episode for Weir and McKay?s banter when they?d cloaked: ?Why are you whispering?? ?I don?t know it just seems like the right thing to do!?

I?m pleased that we?ve finally seen that the Wraith are rather tactically minded because they still tried to flank the Daedalus even when they had the clear advantage of number and they still optimised their weapon power with siege formation even when they were already sufficient in yield to drain the shield quickly... the Ancients were seemingly peaceful so were more or less screwed against that mentality.

I was concerned that the Ancients might have lost to a complete bunch of idiots who depended on number to win but clearly they had strategy on their side as well.

The only disconcerting thing is that the Wraith ships are shield-less (assuming), so how many of them were there when the Ancients were around in order to overwhelm their far superior technology. There must have been hundreds!

Also, I think this episode highlighted how far gone I am in my obsession with defending the Ancients because when they said ?now we know how the Ancients must have felt? I got a sense of smug sense of satisfaction and started thinking ?Now then, not the infallible heroes you were made out to be? you lost in one week, the Ancients lost in one hundred years! That's how great you are compared to them, and they'd never fought a real war!?.

Oh and how did they develop counter measures so quickly?!? Had they merely adapted a device they used to prevent the Ancients from using similar tactics or did they start from scratch? if the latter then they are scarily advanced.

There are so many things I want to comment on, such as the contrast of suspense and comedy, the mysteries that will surround the season, the introduction of key characters, and of course the brilliant use of time on the part of the writers? but I?m too confusingly excited to even consider writing coherently? woohoo what a great episode!

*trundles off to watch episode again... for the fourth time? and laugh at Hermiod cursing*

This post has been edited by Felger: Jul 16th 2005, 5:44 PM

heya, i loved this one, avalon kinda sucked in my opinion, maybe cuz its a 3 part, hmmm, well, duz any1 hav a video clip of hermiod cussing cuz i missed it plz help me out



mike

All I have to say is.....wow..... This episode was great... the stories, visuals, action, ships, cast were just.... GREAT!!! I really think that I?m beginning to like Atlantis more than SG-1 now.... I guess that might be because it?s new and exciting... and sg-1 has been around so long..... I don?t know... I?ll just have to wait a while and see how the new season develops? and I really like that the daedalus is there now?. And it makes me happy that is better than the wraith ships

Hey Im from, the UK, just watched the eps with a few beers, I liked them alot some nthings i didnt agree on but on the whole i liked both, I liked the angry Asgard ,

And what has happened to LOL? shame stuck with DSR from LOKi

I don't know about everyone else but I'm really starting to like Atlantis better than SG-1. I guess it's because it's fresher and holds a lot of possibilities. There's really only so much you can do with a show that's been on for 8+ years.

This episode was one of the best Atlantis eps that I've seen in awhile. I was kind of wondering what they would do next when the wraith thought they had destroyed Atlantis. I guess if they encountered the wraith again, they would surely know they were still there, just like the Goa'uld would have still known that the SGC was there even if they buried the gate.

I didn't really like the whole Ford thing. The weird eye was freakish enough, but it was a bit sad to see Ford go. I guess it'll give them something to write about for the later episodes. I liked how they're developing Dr. Beckett's (sp??) character more now. It seemed like he didn't have much screen time in some of the Season 1 episodes.

Yep, Season 2 is looking pretty good. :-)

This post has been edited by sg1JaffaJoo: Jul 16th 2005, 9:02 PM

im still pissed that atlantis didnt have any energy weapons.....

and sif they couldnt put gould energy weapons and adapt them for the dadealus.....

we gotta enough staffs, and gliders, transports, and who no's what else

Ok.....so I've worked out that Daedalus takes out some hive ships.....but what about the cruisers???

There were three cruisers flanking evry hive ship. So that means in the first wave (that the Big D is meant to kill)...there was 2 Hives and 9 cruisers!!!

Did it kill them all????????

After the Daedalus destroyed the last hive ship with a transported nuke, the cruisers jumped to hyperspace to escape.

Hi everyone this is my first post, but a long time lurker.

Go Weir and Sheppard, that was a heart-warming hug!

This was such a impressive come-back episode, the opening sequence... emmm was that 10 seconds?

The Dadealus kicked some major asses and was that some Asgard swearing I heard from Hermie?

9/10

This post has been edited by Carter-Hot: Jul 17th 2005, 3:19 AM

enjoyed the episode nothing like a loada kick ass lasers and explosions everywhere...

Oh yeah!

The cloaking of Atlantis was a clever idea and the way the writers wrote that in was superb.

I like the fact that the writers also didn't forget about McKay's love - "sleep and big sandwiches"

When Atlantis still had the shields up, the Wraith bombardment was very pretty. Red and orange and the swish of different colours... very very pretty.

ROFL

This post has been edited by Carter-Hot: Jul 17th 2005, 3:44 AM

it is mentioned many times in the first season that atlantis was the last planet the wraith hadnt wiped out. Atlantis itself was beneath the ocean and had the shield. As for the ancient super-ships, this is explained by "old weir" in 1x15 when the ancient sent their most powerful warships to make a peace deal with the wraith, this failed and the war continued. She also explains how the ancients arent THAT much more advanced than the wraith, they lost the war because they were heavily outnumbered, remember the ancients had already left the milky way because of the plague and thats why they went to pegasus, so there would have been very few ancients around as it was. As for making ZPM's, while its true the ancients made them, i dont think they would have a lab somewhere with a button saying "press here to make ZPM".
From what i understand, while atlantis did fly from the milky way to pegasus, a flight like that would be a waste of effort since the stargate on pegasus can reach the milky way.

I think the alliance of the 4 races (ancient, asgard, furling and nox) was not very equal, since Thor talks about the repository in 8x01 (i think) saying something about it having infinite amounts of knowledge, and that the asgard had worked on it for thousands of years and barely scratched the surface of it. Since the ancients died out/ascended 10,000 years previous, it would suggest that they were far more advanced than the asgard are currently.

Feel free to disagree with most of what is written above, as it mostly intrepretation and speculation, i havent seen the new episodes yet due to living in Australia.

Hopefully i do better second time around

3) Well its stated in season 1 (Somewhere cant remember exact place) that the Ancients sent their best war ships to arrange a treaty with the Wraith, but they ambushed them and wiped alot of them out. You also hear in E15 an Ancient ship being destroyed on route to Atlantis, so its clear that a large amount of wraith ships can do enough damage to get through there shields. There may be 1 or 2 lying around but you'd of thought the Wraith would find and salvage or destroy them.

4) Well thats true there could be a facility somewhere, but its possible it was on another planet and has since been destroyed. Also think if they did stumble across this then it would have a bad effect on the series as they will have full power on both Atlantis and Daedalus forever.

This post has been edited by Nnahrino: Jul 17th 2005, 4:14 AM

I suppose the Ancients never regarded the Wraith as an enemy, only a nuisance they had to keep at bay. Like an insect colony on your property; instead of purging it with chemicals, you try to fence it in and protect the animals out of a respect for the sanctity of life. That's why the conflict lasted for a whole century. The Ancients must have thought several times they had bottled the Wraith up - then to be surprised when the Wraith adapted strategically.

One complaint: No that we've established they are tacticians, it's very hard to believe they bought the cloaking of the city as easily. One last salvo at the previous position of Atlantis - just to make sure there is nothing left which defies the sensors - should have been the minimum.

I loved McKay whispering while there was no need! I do it sometimes too, he has such a hang for the dramatic, the serious Weir was totally caught off guard!

does anyone know when season 2 will be airing in the uk, i can't wait

The latest info can be found under the "Atlantis info > tv schedule" menu option.