Episode was very very nice. I liked it better than SG1's avalon, probably because it was the end of a three parter.

The Wraith had already 12 more ships on the way to atlantis - WOW. I was just thinking... If the Wraith would have conquered atlantis and engaged the gate to earth they would probably send a couple of ships through first... and the darts would end up underground at SGC which would have been interesting to see where it would go from there cause .. its underground .

The Daedalus rocks ! I hope the ship will remain in the show and it will not 'return to earth' or stuff like that, and if it does, leave the grey asgard on atlantis cause he is cool too.

I thought the episode was ok but thats it really. Im just not interested in Atlantis anymore, I started watching the 1st season and got bored. The only reason I still watch the odd episode is when I know theres some link to SG1

No offence but why did you just waste your time barely reviewing an episode from a show you think is pointless, if you?re going to be a stout SG-1er and reject Atlantis then don?t post in the Atlantis forum? that?s all I can recommend if you don't like it.



I was thinking the exact same thing because they scanned for them which meant they were already dubious of what they?re eyes blatantly told them.

Plus, I thought they could penetrate the cloaks of larger vessels because the transport ship reports its ?cloaking shield damaged? in 115 from the engagement with the Wraith so surely that meant they?d managed to scan through it in order to acquire a target... most probably just a catalyst the writers needed to make the Ancients leave.

Meh? I suppose all the history between the Ancients and the Wraith will be resolved this season!



I found his outright narcissism hilarious: ?Wow, Wow, Wow! What is this!? This is my security escort!? ?Well we are spread a little bit thin right now? ?Okay but you need to know if we come under fire you?re going to have put your lives on the line to protect me!?

Its blatantly obvious he?s right but any normal person would just feel their stomach clench a little tighter not state the obvious by telling them they will have to die in order to save his sorry ass.

This post has been edited by Felger: Jul 17th 2005, 9:24 AM

2 * 3 = 9?

I like SG-1 but can now say that I have given up on Atlantis. To me it seems like the writers are not sure where they are going with a story and they come across as forced.

Felger, that's a very good point. The writing was really stellar in this episode as they had to cover so many things in such a short period and still keep the story flowing. I thought the special effects were great too - more movie than TV quality. The Daedulus is very cool!

Strong introduction for the Pileggi character. I'm glad they didn't portray him as almost a caricature like in Everett's case. He has a very commanding presence but was also willing to listen to suggestions from others - so he's already somebody I would like to know more about.

Lots of fun things happening between McKay and well, everbody - and hiccup girl and Hermiod. And I have to admit that I'm turning into a Weir/Sheppard shipper, so that little scene between them was nice. You go, Lizzie!! I can't believe they took the theme song away though. I actually did make a point to listen to it every week because it was so very well done.

Sure it'll stay. Atlantis needs its Defiant.



This post has been edited by ted_simple: Jul 17th 2005, 10:57 AM

I didn?t notice that but I actually thought the Hive Ships looked marginally like the Defiant; the front just reminded me of it for some strange reason.

Its no surprise really when I think about it, we need it to have hyperspace window generators because the Prometheus had them; however the somewhat more compressed design made it bear resemblance to the Defiant? I?m doing a very good job of explaining this, so I?ll just stop.

Basically I meant to say more about what I liked/disliked about the episode but my frustration with Atlantis kind of took over. Im not a troll who just goes onto forums to complain about their subject so sorry about that.

I've been giving myself almost the same explanation! There must be a practical reason for the design adjustments, you know! But in the end the "Defiant motivation" convinces me more.

Hi
On the Ancient super ship subject.
I looked back at episode 15 season 1 and the Ancient scientist( Janus thingy) who saves Dr Weir ( thinking mans crumpet in the Pegasus Galaxy). Said that the Atlantians sent their best Warships to escort the peace delegation. The effort failed and a hell of a battle ensued. He didnt mention it was an ambush nor did he say the fleet was destroyed.

If you follow the premise that the ancients left Atlantis intact so that they can one day return and finish the unfinished business with the Wraith it stands to reason they would have left some nice toys behind. Like ships. Probably submerged and hidden also.

If the basic premise of Atlantis is to take on the Wraith for the good of the Pegasus galaxy, It stands to reason they will need toys and lots of them.
The Deadulus is only a start and as Earth is still in the fight of it life in its own galaxy she will be needed elsewhere.
Also as it has been seen in SG1 sticking to gate worlds limits the plot possibilities so having a ship ( hopefully of the big and nasty variety) opens up all sorts of plot possibilities ( as well as p****ing of the Geni)

I will sign off at the as my wife has just told me I am a truely sad git.

Mike

Hi.

New here. Just thought to say that ...

OK, couple of things:

1. Were any military consultants for this show? And why didn't they do their job?

2. Zats - why didn't they bring them to the mission?

3. Why is Sheppard so fixated on 'bringing the war to them'? Someone should tell him he's just a major. Not a general.

I like new shows, new ideas for the future, but that 'smart remarks in face of the enemy' doesn't work anymore. If I wanted to see how technobabel saves the day, then I'd watch Star Trek.

Hope they improve the show. Would be bad to see it turn ST.

LP
osti

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"You're just jealous, because the voices don't talk to you, ... too!"

Well, there would have been no gate in the Pegasus galaxy when they got there. The ancients built the stargates and than spread them where they wanted them. Atlantis flew there to avoid the plague and from the look of the different stargates they used local material to build them. They may even not have naquiada in them. It was thus, not a waste of effort since there was not a gate there to gate to.

This post has been edited by Auntie Em!: Jul 17th 2005, 1:28 PM

The Daedalus looks very cool. Thankyou for posting that!

She looks more like the BSG than the Defiant, those hanger pod things are just too BSGish..




I just hope we don't get an episode where the Genii try and steal the Daedalus.

No, they've already done this c*** with the Prometheus.

Edit:
A quick retrospect on the three parter. I can't say I liked it in particular. The conclusion was satisfactory at least, there was action, there were surprises.

I hate to say it but I have an increasing problem with the command style on Atlantis. Or rather how they cope with the crisis, make up solutions on the go. The ideas to defend Atlantis with the satellite, or to cloak the entire city aren't that brilliant but rather boyish because they come up with them at 23:59 just so we viewers have an interesting plot with unexpected turning points.

In reality, I would rather picture intensive scenario calculations in the months/weeks before the Wraith arrived. No McKay macgyvering atom bombs in 12 hours. Be prepared. Set up the satellite, get the chair online, prepare the puddle jumpers with nukes BEFORE the Wraith arrive. Sorry but in life too late is sometimes too late. Plus the ultimate plan to cloak the entire city could also have been devised earlier. I know, Atlantis didn't have the ZPM, but that's only a partial excuse. Their alternate plan to destroy the city wasn't worked out either. Suddenly Zelenka is supposed to create a virus which will destroy the entire database. And on the way he also develops a way to compress ten percent of the database into the notebooks the team has brought with them. All within a matter of hours. That's absolutely unbelievable.

The kind of plot development was cheap. They should have made up tactical scenarios before the Wraith arrived. Then there would have been more space within the three-parter for really interesting plot development because the plans A, B and C would have had been established as viable options from the beginning. There must be room for sponanity but not like 95% of decisions and tactics is made up on the go.

They all did an amazing job if you consider what a range of measures they devised in a matter of days. But it makes me wonder what they have been doing all the weeks before except recording home videos, confronting their nightmares about the Wraith and mckaying about how much they could use a ZPM.

That's only a very selective assessment though, there were also many brilliant aspects about the show. The magnitude of the three-parter. Although for me the suspense didn't match that of The Storm/The Eye.

This post has been edited by ted_simple: Jul 17th 2005, 5:34 PM

Well, it is stated that the last thing they want to do is to help us destroy the city. And since they detecded nothing of Atlantis on their scanners they now think that the city has been demolished and probably have to take care of more important Wraith things first, before they might come back to colonize the planet and return to sleep.

Speaking of, why dos'nt the SGA crew lay low for a while, they just got a somewhat fully charged ZPM, why not take advantage of that and see whats left inside the city and let the Wraith return to their hibernation?

WOW love this ep it was one of the best ep of Atlantis ever I dont know where to start ........ HOLY CRAP that was good the whole ep was well done the only thing that I
did not like was when they turned Ford in to the .....think I meen come on Ford was a good guy and what did he get for it a dip in the ice cold sea and a lazy eye that going to kill his love life.All I can say to Ford is you go boy kick some Wraith a$$ and take there
mojo.


hope they can keep the rest of the ep as good as this one
10/10

I'm wondering... is this going to be a new pattern for this series where every Colonel gets killed? Sort of like Sam's boyfriends always getting killed on SG-1.

the wraith dont need to detect anything.... they could propably take pot shots at atlantis... and maybe a couple hit the transport....??? i mean its a ship with shields, maybe a scout dart, smashed straight into a invisible black wall... obviously the wraith would smell something fishy.....

Btw im sure that the fallout effect of the nuke, would also help cover them. Remember in the siege 2, when those nuke mines blew up, Altantis's sensors couldnt see anything...

Theres a whole thread with lots of pics of the new D. Look in the spoiler section of Atlantis.

The Chevron Guy that would be a pretty damn boring season.

This post has been edited by Auntie Em!: Jul 17th 2005, 6:49 PM

Fords eye is really sweet

If the wraith are telepathic and there were still wraith left in the city when they cloaked... wouldn't the wraiths in orbit sort of know that the city is still there?

I'm surprised that no one's mentioned this in the last three pages, it seems like a pretty obvious plot hole.

hmm, i liked this episode but i hope the season doesn't keep on going the way it's begun.

By that I mean that the team comes up with incredible ideas and technologies to solve their problems. I remember hearing someone say something about how star trek voyager did something like that, they encountered a problem and all of a sudden they find new technology or some new physics to "fix" whatever problem.

I mean, give the characters some agony and hardships to deal with instead of throwing in out of the way solutions (Teila magically shows up, Wraith magically immediately stop Asgard beaming technology, remaining Wraiths don't seem to pose much of a problem anymore (cmon, how cool would it have been if they had to lock out certain parts of the city due to an infestation of wraith and deal with them througout the season), etc).

One glaring problem that I don't think they addressed was the whole Wraiths blocking Asgard beaming technology. Ok, fine, I'll grudgingly accept the fact that the Wraiths can block nukes from going into their hive ships but why couldn't they have started depositing nukes just outside on the skin of each hive ship and blew them up from there. That would have caused considerable damage. Also, I don't think that they blocked beaming from the Daedalus because they were still able to nuke the outside of Atlantis at the end.

The storyline is great, but I have some reservations on the amount of effort going into the writing of each separate story.

Okay, I've got fast bandwidth, where do I go to get it?