I hope they show more fighter action.. They never really went into the 302's against the darts in the prev episode like they went into 302 vs 302...

This post has been edited by Cornwalace: Jul 25th 2005, 6:31 PM

I also though it was kind of repetitive, but not because of the "virus cleanings", but because of the suspense they try to make by having sheppard not answer the radio immediatly. He doesn't anwer because he and mckay just escaped death by vacuumm, and he also doesn't answer after destroying the last fighter. We already know they are going to be fine on both occasions, why bother with the usual "suspense-radio silence", twice?

Mckay covering his genitals was funny

The comment about the naked asgard was also hilarious, basically mocking the established norm for aliens in scifi


the "translation" of the binary code to wraith code was also kind of stupid. Ok, it was extremely stupid.

And I always wonder how these alien computer viruses are always compatible with our computers, and do more things with our computers than we can...

This post has been edited by Anubis drone: Jul 25th 2005, 6:49 PM

I did too, and there are lots of reasons... Have the wraith even got their hands on any of our technology? If they had one of the many tablets that are all over atlantis, or laptops for that matter, then I can understand a little better, but I see no way of wraith being able tto code for something that they don't even know what it is. Then comes the problem that wraith tech is based on anchient tech, and don't they use base 8 code, instead of our base 2? There is no way any of out processors would understand base 8 code (as in 030500735230533432273541 would probably be interpreted by our computers as 000100101000100000010100), so as soon as it was sent to our ship it would be corrupted.

Then the conversion from binary to wraith... WTF? What does that prove? That our computers are good at translating stuff, really it makes no sense, even normal code would look all wraith if sent through some sort of translation like that. Change it to a hex representation, or a asgard representation, it becomes a lot more usefull that way, you might be able to understand it better, than the goop spitted out with all those wwraith symbols, with no one truly understanding fluient wraith.

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"Is he supposed to be naked like that?" LOL, absolute gold... Although I would of thought o'neil would of detailed that fact in his reports, just shows that shep reads documents as much as o'neil did

I think McKay was afraid his "member" would be left behind.

I just saw the episode. It was ok. Nothing to exciting.

That was earlier in the ep. At the end, the infected 302 that Shep was beamed out of and stayed close to reinfect the D is the one that was shot down by Sheppard who was in a different 302 that had its memory storage unit pulled.

Whew! Sorry... it's a bit of a run-on.

You are right. But I think you and Ancient are saying the same thing just worded different.

The first fighter had the virus and reinfected the D.
The second fighter had no computer memory and was clean. It destroyed the first fighter and the D rebooted and stayed clean.

I agree Auntie Em! When I first read it I thought Draven was saying that the only computer left was the one Sheppard dismantled in the second ship he flew.

Okay, I loved Weir in the 2-parter on Stargate last season. Hated her once she began on Atlantis. I started to like her once again in the episode My liking her continued in this season's first episode. After watching the second one, yes, it is now complete. I said they have made her back to where she was. She was not pulling her punches with either Landry or Caldwell. This is what Weir needs to be. Not namby-pamby, and wishy-washy. She is really growing, or the writers are finally getting their stride and writing for her correctly.

That's a good assessment, Indy. There's been some definite growth with her character, which makes her more interesting. She really wasn't a natural leader at all, so it's fun to see her step up to the plate and use skills that she's learned in Atlantis to make things happen the way she wants them to. I also think she's had to make some extremely difficult decisions involving the lives of other people, which has helped shape her abilities to provide calm, effective leadership.

Sigh, you are correct. I do believe that the experiences that have occurred in Atlantis has helped to shape Weir. It's what she has experienced that has made her toughen up and be able to make those tough decisions. For instance, Sheppard was the only one that could fly the jumper into the hive ship to destroy it. Weir didn't want to make that decision, but she knew it was for the good of the whole group.

I'm thinking that maybe, just maybe the writers finally have her down. I know that I didn't care for Ford at all last season. He was boring and totally underdeveloped. Yet, the first episode this season, they give him something to do, and made him interesting for the very first time. Now he's recurring. I don't understand these writers at times.

Actually, that was a part of my problem, she's supposed to be a better leader, beign a diplomat and such. From Hot Zone forward, however, we started to see more of that side of her, more of the leadership quality. That's what I liked about her here - it's like Indy said, she wasn't pulling punches, she was like "Oh, the president agrees with me, tough".



Like you, like the rest of us I did like Ford the past season. His character didn't warrant a full member, he could have been recurring, but he was a character that took things in the "Aliens! Cooool!" atittude, which I missed from McKay, Sheppard et al. But things really start to look interesting for him this season.... sigh!

Pitry, I usually think of diplomats as being good at compromising and negotiating, which aren't necessarily qualities that would serve Weir well in the hair-trigger situations that occur in Atlantis. I think she's had to learn that sometimes compromising and negotiating actually undermine her authority as a leader.

She did learn that early on. Remember when she wanted to negotiate with the Wraiths? She said that to Sheppard. When that happened, I was like what the heck are you smoking girl? But she didn't learn until the end of season 1 and with the first 2 episodes this season. I'm really liking her a lot.

Pitry, I hear where you are coming from in regards to Ford, but I thought it was too much. It kind of reminds me of Jonas on SG. He had this wide-eyed look for the season because everything was new, 1) first time in a deathglider, 2) first time meeting a Goa'uld, 3) first time being captured, etc. He was always smiling and having a blast. I can maybe see Jonas being that way. he had never done any traveling, exploring and he wasn't military. But Ford is military. He had been exposed to things before in SGC. Pretty much all the military people that came to Atlantis had had some exposure, they had training for what they would be doing and where they would be going, so it shouldn't have been all new to him.

But like I said, Ford should be interesting this season.

This ep was okay. I was kinda distracted though, so I never finished it. I enjoyed the SG-1 episode a lot more. Though, I like the new guy that commands the Daedalus, he's a good actor.

I give it a 6/10.

This episode had some interesting character development. Weir becomes a stronger leader, Sheppard becomes a Lieutenant Colonel, Ford, a confident yet 2 dimensional character has a wraith enzyme that affected his phyical strength, appearance and personality, making him an enigma. This last part is due to the fact that they will be adding a wraith runner to the team, who is supposed to be more like Teal'c. Ford was confident as Sheppards military backup, but he didn't posess the strength of character that Teal'c does. Maybe after he overcomes his wraith transformation he will be a more compelling character.
I wasn't pleased with Teyla's dispostion either, she seemed to perky when she saw Weir, and was like "we can discuss things later with her" to Zalanka (sic) when he was telling her about what the ZPM has done for Atantis

i reversed what the asgaurd said after the stare out with shep, and it sounded like "these humans are ancients" would tha tbe right???

No, because that would be a compliment. I am pretty sure it was "These humans are infants"

Go listen to the one after the wraith computer virus comes back after rebooting for the second time, that one is absolutly hysterical.

Lolz...

the incompetence of these humans, are making me angry?

if im correct.... or incorrect...

how can that ship fly w/o memory? I mean, the memory was there for good reason. It's like saying how can your computer run w/o its RAM chips?

Only the navigational computer is directly compatible with the Prometheus and Daedalus navigational systems, whereby you can directly (wireless) upload/download navigational data. The rest of the F-302's systems are not connected to the virus when they disconnect the navigational computer's storage unit. Hence it cannot be infected when they startup/turn on the F-302 as RAM doesn't hold it's content when turned off or rebooted.

I hope they get that antenna array repaired and also hope the Asgard have a spare sensor. Being a battle cruiser expecting to see some action, they should have some spares around.

I think they need an antivirus for the system to detect when they need to shut down and make a clean reboot.
I wonder when are they going to retro fit the PJ's Stealth Mode Generator to the Daedalus?

This post has been edited by dr_n_tesla: Aug 2nd 2005, 11:11 AM

I thought the idea for this episode wasn?t very original. A lot of Sci-Fi series have had a story line close to this one. Stargate SG-1 had one close to it, even if it wasn?t on a ship but in the SGC (the episode 4x20 ?Entity?) as is mentioned in the episode. Also the scene in the fighter was almost identical to the one where O?Neill and Teal?c are stuck in a goa?uld death glider (episode 4x12 ?Tangent). I guess that?s unavoidable. But with the flashbacks in it, it was a pretty good episode. The flashbacks were also a good idea, because it avoided having to use characters from Stargate SG-1.

The promotion of Major Sheppard to Lieutenant Colonel wasn't very unexpected for me, because I thought the senior Air Force officer couldn?t be a Major and they couldn't just write the main character out. But I didn't expect they?d do it this way. It was kind of funny to see Colonel Caldwell being overwritten by Weir, as was the little t?te-?-t?te between John and Elizabeth at the start of the episode. Although I felt sorry for Elizabeth, I was glad she broke up with her boyfriend. Then nobody has ties back earth anymore.

Also very funny was the Asgard, Hermiod. It was both unreal (as far as you can say that of gray aliens) and cool to have an Asgard who is funny in a way that isn?t through overly logical remarks. That was fun to see.

Not showing the opening credits sort of is unusual for me and i'm not really liking it.
You expect it when they have just started a series and they usually have credits in the second episode but...it sosrta takes the anticipation out of the episode...waiting for the next scene to arrive and so to only have a five second "opening" is so not cool.

The episode was ok for me, i mean i missed watching Atlantis and so to see the second episode of the season was good and everyone's acting has improved so much and everyone fits in so well and you can just see the emotion which everyone is portraying.

i watched this ep yesterday i think it was ok i like the F302 flying that was cool and i think there was a cock up. on the daedalus there are two f302 bays but when they took the chips out they only went to one and they coulnt of walked across the othere side because its on the other side of the ship.

Can asguard beams manipulate people? Because when they beamed Sheppard out of the glider he was sitting down, but they after they beamed him he was standing up. Not really important but i'm like that.