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| Arcady |
 Dec 13th 2005, 3:14 AM
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Base Commander  Group: Admin Posts: 4,951 Joined: November 26th 2002 From: Dallas, Texas USA Member No.: 1 Gender: Male  |
Season 2, Episode 15 - The Tower
Air Dates: CA: Dec. 19, 8 PM (TMN) US: Feb. 3, 9 PM (Sci Fi Channel) UK: Feb. 8, 8 PM (Sky One) The team finds a world that possesses Ancient defense technology, where Colonel Sheppard finds himself a pawn in the rivalry between the heirs to the throne. Episode Guide | Spoilers | Teaser (This topic is for people who have seen the episode to discuss it. If you don't want to be spoiled, don't read this topic.) |
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| Arcady |
Dec 20th 2005, 3:32 AM
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Base Commander Group: Admin Posts: 4,951 Joined: November 26th 2002 From: Dallas, Texas USA Member No.: 1 Gender: Male |
Why this episode sucked:
 What a waste of time. |
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| Auntie Em! |
Dec 20th 2005, 3:58 AM
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Sipping on fine wine!  Group: Donating Members Posts: 5,918 Joined: March 22nd 2005 From: Northwestern Ontario, Canada Member No.: 8,565 Gender: Female |
This episode was pathetically pathetic. Useless piece of sh*t.
It was so bad I forgot I even watched. Usually I sit and wait for this thread to open to post but not this time. It sucked that bad! For the life of me I cannot even remember how it ended!  This post has been edited by Auntie Em!: Dec 20th 2005, 3:59 AM |
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| Carter-Hot |
Dec 20th 2005, 5:37 AM
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Captain  Group: Members Posts: 995 Joined: December 26th 2003 From: United Kingdom Member No.: 3,067 Gender: Male |
I fear as much.
After 4 great episodes (2x11) to (2x14), the next one bound to be crap.  I haven't seen it yet, but it doesn't stop me from talking to people who has, lol. This post has been edited by Carter-Hot: Dec 20th 2005, 6:06 AM |
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| beat-boxing rulez |
Dec 20th 2005, 8:46 AM
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Airman  Group: Members Posts: 38 Joined: January 17th 2005 Member No.: 7,621 Gender: Male |
Why are All the episode that have ancients or Ancient tech, crap, poorly written and ended really bad?
these are supposed to be episode where we get all excited (eg: i was excitied about trinity but that was crap, Aurora was alright but made the ancients look like neanderthals in funny clothes) Im getting really annoyed with this  This post has been edited by beat-boxing rulez: Dec 20th 2005, 8:46 AM |
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| Auntie Em! |
Dec 20th 2005, 8:51 AM
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Sipping on fine wine! Group: Donating Members Posts: 5,918 Joined: March 22nd 2005 From: Northwestern Ontario, Canada Member No.: 8,565 Gender: Female |
How did this episode end anyway? I cannot remember. I remember Sheppard approaching the guy that killed the Keeper after he sat in the chair and all the hundred or so drones failed. Sheppard said ....."You are not the keeper because the keeper is able to work the chair...." That is all I remember.
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| man named enis |
Dec 20th 2005, 9:20 AM
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Civilian  Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: August 26th 2004 Member No.: 6,212 Gender: Not Telling |
Why is it that I always feel like the odd one out? I enjoyed this episode. I'll admit the ending was a little contrived but the twist with the bald guy actually being the one who poisoned the lord protector was pretty clever IMHO. And they now have drones!!!
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| Arcady |
Dec 20th 2005, 11:15 AM
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Base Commander Group: Admin Posts: 4,951 Joined: November 26th 2002 From: Dallas, Texas USA Member No.: 1 Gender: Male |
Did anyone else notice that the actor that played the lord protector also played Harlan on SG-1?
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| Atlantians |
Dec 20th 2005, 12:11 PM
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First Lieutenant  Group: Members Posts: 795 Joined: March 7th 2005 Member No.: 8,349 Gender: Male |
We have Drones now?
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| hobo_joe20 |
Dec 20th 2005, 12:46 PM
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Brigadier General  Group: Members Posts: 2,357 Joined: May 13th 2005 From: Guelph, Ontario Member No.: 9,055 Gender: Male |
I'll agree that this episode sucked. Good concept, bad followthrough. Another "Atlantis" - now its something else for them to explain. Why have we not heard mention of it before? etc.
I think the only good thing that came out of this one was that we now have drones. Yes, Atlantians, if you had watched the episode you would have seen that we have drones now. Additionally, the answer of how they are stored has officially been answered. |
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| Auntie Em! |
Dec 20th 2005, 1:23 PM
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Sipping on fine wine! Group: Donating Members Posts: 5,918 Joined: March 22nd 2005 From: Northwestern Ontario, Canada Member No.: 8,565 Gender: Female |
You know I am starting to get a little sick and tired of the perfection of everything in the Stargate universe. Nothing is flawed. The lighting is perfect. The characters even the bad ones are perfect. There never is a real sense of jeopardy when the main characters get in trouble. This episode highlighted that to a T. I knew the village would never come to harm so there was never a sense of realism to it.
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| ALIEN_JL |
Dec 20th 2005, 1:35 PM
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Captain Group: Members Posts: 936 Joined: January 14th 2004 Member No.: 3,244 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(hobo_joe20 @ Dec 20th 2005, 12:46 PM) Additionally, the answer of how they are stored has officially been answered.  YES... They appears to be stored in some pretty damn stupid, space-wasting wine-cellar shelving in which it would definitely take millions of cubic meters of storage space to hold that kind of amounts of drones what Jack used to destroy Anubis fleet... (If all space in Atlantis would be filled with them like that there still would be no where near that many drones...)  |
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| Auntie Em! |
Dec 20th 2005, 1:56 PM
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Sipping on fine wine! Group: Donating Members Posts: 5,918 Joined: March 22nd 2005 From: Northwestern Ontario, Canada Member No.: 8,565 Gender: Female |
Not only that but how the hell does it load the drone? The drone has to be picked up in its case, taken out, inserted into the drone shoot. How the hell was that done with storage like that?
Also another nitpick: McKay blows a hole right up through ceiling to get a radio signal out? I am like huh? |
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| jetsetter |
Dec 20th 2005, 2:20 PM
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Chief Master Sergeant  Group: Members Posts: 450 Joined: October 26th 2003 From: Northern California Member No.: 2,618 Gender: Male |
Damn guys, take it easy. The episode was ok and it adding something to the series that could come up later. We know have more drones and more Jumpers. These may come into play in the season final.
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| ALIEN_JL |
Dec 20th 2005, 2:32 PM
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Captain Group: Members Posts: 936 Joined: January 14th 2004 Member No.: 3,244 Gender: Male |
And also I wonder why (In Season1 Finale) the ZPM was required to find out that
there were only few dozen drones left in atlantis if those drones are stored same way there. Why didn't they just walk into that "wine-cellar" and check if they can see any drones in any of the shelfs ?? This post has been edited by ALIEN_JL: Dec 20th 2005, 2:35 PM |
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| Yamarin |
Dec 20th 2005, 4:05 PM
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Airman Basic  Group: Members Posts: 29 Joined: August 5th 2005 Member No.: 9,774 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(Auntie Em! @ Dec 21st 2005, 7:56 AM) Not only that but how the hell does it load the drone? The drone has to be picked up in its case, taken out, inserted into the drone shoot. How the hell was that done with storage like that? Also another nitpick: McKay blows a hole right up through ceiling to get a radio signal out? I am like huh? The drones don't need to be packed out and put into anything..."drone shoot" is just a opening for the drones to fly out of, they are all capable of taking off and flying on their own...(seen in the ep where they discover they can go to atlantis) the reason for the "drone shot" opening is to prevent them from making a swiss cheese out of the place they are in, which explains how McKay were able to "blow" a hole through the ceiling... My best guess is that the drones are made penetrating like this to be more letal...I.e blow stuff up from the inside rather than making small dents on the outside... And yeah, the episode wasn't the most exciting, but did give of a few pointers about the ancient tec and what happened to most of their tech... |
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| ziostilon |
Dec 20th 2005, 4:20 PM
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Airman Group: Members Posts: 46 Joined: December 21st 2004 Member No.: 7,314 Gender: Male |
I enjoyed it alot. I like how they re-decorated Atlantis and put a Medieval society into it. I like it when they visit a planet where the society is like Medieval Times!
 The episode also explained some aspects of Atlantis, and some rooms that we haven't seen in Atlantis. I'm guessing this is one of those episodes where they talk about Atlantis. And show some parts of the city where we haven't seen before  But i'd have to agree that the ending sucked a lil' bit. They probably tried to squish everything to the end so they couldn't have a good ending. |
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| rkenshin |
Dec 20th 2005, 6:15 PM
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Airman Group: Members Posts: 59 Joined: August 15th 2004 Member No.: 6,063 Gender: Not Telling |
Couldn't they have shipped the drones from Earth (Antarctic site) to Atlantis?
Would be great since they could replenish the PJumper's drones there too before this episode actually happened.. |
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| Salibaba |
Dec 20th 2005, 6:25 PM
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Civilian Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: January 11th 2005 From: cumbernauld, NL, scotland , uk , here! Member No.: 7,553 Gender: Male |
not been on in a while but i thought that was a decent enough episode, not up there with the greats of course, but just think of all the stuff we have now, drones, jumpers and a whole city full of spare parts if we need them, im sure that we could trade for the parts if we ever had to. We also got a little more of the city to see as well, and i always wondered how the drones were stored as well, i cant remember who but the person who pointed out about just checking the wine cellar instead of waiting for the ZPM , thats a good point , i bet the writers are sitting now saying "sh*t you were supposed to make up a reason for the story being like that" - "sh*t i thought you were doing that."
anyway the ep gets a 6.5 from me, not quite good enough for a 7, and im not so harsh to give out 6s. |
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| Zoidman |
Dec 20th 2005, 6:32 PM
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Senior Airman  Group: Members Posts: 117 Joined: September 23rd 2003 From: Stavanger, Norway Member No.: 2,358 Gender: Male |
This episode could have been SO much better
But it was ok. |
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| wteaocb |
Dec 20th 2005, 8:22 PM
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Civilian Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: December 20th 2005 Member No.: 10,700 Gender: Not Telling |
The whole purpose of this episode was to find Atlantis drones in order for them to use during some future episode.
Little character development occurred, and the plot was more or less linear and boring. Its only saving grace was the plot twist, which reveals the bald chancelor as the mastermind behind the protectors' assassination. Also, shepherd gets laid *again*. This seems to happen almost every episode. The bastard is starting to remind me of Captain Kirk; having sex with every willing participant that he can find. I can't see how Weir is going to want to have anything to do with him in the future; especially since he likely has any number of sexually transmitted diseases at this point.... Damaged goods... Really, he should be more careful about exposing himself to foreign disease that he likely has no natural immunity to... As for the episode being lousy, I don't think that it was too much worse than the other atlantis episodes, I mean, it's hit and miss really. Of course, it was lightyears better than some sg-1 episodes... 2010 and Heroes part 1 and 2 come to mind.... Ugggh, I had to skip those altogether. Anyway there is still hope for episodes 216 and 217... When do those air by the by? |
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| Carter-Hot |
Dec 21st 2005, 9:30 AM
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Captain Group: Members Posts: 995 Joined: December 26th 2003 From: United Kingdom Member No.: 3,067 Gender: Male |
I got the chance to view this episode and I rather enjoyed it. It might not be the best one but it was kinda entertaining. I love the 18th Century style, minus the peasants of course.
Shame we didn't see a revolution. Sheppard know gets laid way too much! He's like a freakin horn-dog, what's up with that? Anyway an 8 out of 10 It was going to be a 7.5 but it was lifted to an 8 cos I love the 18th century style approach to this episode.  This post has been edited by Carter-Hot: Dec 21st 2005, 9:31 AM |
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| Source |
Dec 21st 2005, 5:55 PM
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Airman Group: Members Posts: 44 Joined: December 2nd 2004 From: England Member No.: 7,137 Gender: Male |
In the pilot episode of Atlantis, that hologram said, "the Wraith destroyed everything and that only Atlantis remained.
So does anyone else wounder why the Wraith didn't spend time blowing this city up like the others? They didn't seem to have a problem sending wave after wave of ships to Atlanits. We also know that Atlantis used up it's supply of drones during the first war with the Wraith, except for a few, so why does this city still have loads? especially if the lord protector as been knocking Wraith ships out of orbit for the last 10,000 years. And why wasn't the Stargate in the control tower!?!? This post has been edited by Source: Dec 21st 2005, 6:35 PM |
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| dr_n_tesla |
 Dec 21st 2005, 7:18 PM
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Senior Master Sergeant  Group: Members Posts: 390 Joined: May 6th 2003 From: Sydney, Australia Member No.: 1,522 Gender: Male |
Ugh, how many toes do Mallozzi/Mullie have left cos I think they've just about shot them all off!
They have seriously dug themselves a nice hole with the drones on wine racks! They are now stuck with little drones and when the time comes will run out again. Now they have to find the drone factory and manually reload the drone chamber. I would have been far more satisfied to see a set of transporter rings in the bottom of the chamber below where the drones exit to imply that the drones are at least mass stored somewhere else. If not then having a console nearby that shows how they've modified the transport rings to reintegrate drones on demand. Mackay would then just have to blab on about the only drawback would be the power requirements to "reload" and that the ZPM could not support it in it's current state. They would have not needed any extra CGI, just props which they already had. Fair enough if they needed to physically store drones on standby, but to have small acces corridoors into the facility is rediculous. I can't imagine a bunch of people pushing carts of drones through those corridoors when under attack. What makes it even more unbelievable is that they got the design wrong twice!!! Two intergalactic space cities with a very poorly designed weapons storage and maintenance system. I have a feeling that this city was built shortly after arriving in the Pegasus galaxy as there were still no enemies to defend against, it seems to be the only plausible explanation for the rather inadequate defence system of the cities. This episode is so depressing I cannot bare to continue commenting. 5 more episodes to go, they better knock our socks off! This post has been edited by dr_n_tesla: Dec 22nd 2005, 5:58 AM |
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