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5.11 'The Lost Tribe', Mid-season two-parter conclusion

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Aussie_Bloke	May 9th 2008, 1:06 AM Post #1
First Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 700 Joined: December 16th 2004 From: Melbourne,Vic,Aus,Earth,Solar System,Milky Way Member No.: 7,259 Gender: Male	From Solutions.... » Click to Show Spoiler « Details This story is a continuation of the mid-season cliffhanger, “First Contact”. The members of Sheppard’s team are scattered. McKay is with Dr. Daniel Jackson at a facility that belonged to Janus. There, they’ve met with an Asgard who wishes to rid the galaxy of the Wraith once and for all. He’s activated a device that Daniel tries to talk him out of using, but the Asgard insists that this must be done now. Knowing that his people are a dying race, the Asgard believes there isn’t enough time left for them to work together on another course of action. Todd has control of the Apollo, where Ronon, Keller, Woolsey, and Major Marks are, but the ship is damaged. He’s got most of the ship’s crew accounted for (there are around two hundred crewmembers), but there are some still evading capture. Todd makes the announcement over the PA that he will begin killing some of the captured crew as long as Ronon and Keller and others remain uncaptured. He is concerned about a device he calls the “Attero device” and as long as it remains active, more and more of his alliance could be lost. One of his men, Kenny, is overseeing the damage to the ship, and they are on their way to Janus’s facility where McKay and Daniel are. Sheppard and Zelenka are on a Travelers’ ship commanded by Katana. Her 15-year-old chief engineer Mila and Zelenka are working together to get to Janus’s facility before the Apollo does. They’re on their way to rescue McKay and Daniel, knowing that the Apollo has been taken over by Todd. Sheppard believes that if Todd gets there first, McKay and Daniel will be goners. They are trying to get as much out of the hyperdrives as they can to get there, but the ship’s systems are barely hanging together because they are made of salvaged parts. Mila’s an expert in the hyperdrive systems, having started working with this technology when she was four years old, and she has confidence in her engineering, but Zelenka is not so sure. Who will get to the facillity first, and who will survive the battle that is sure to come? I can't believe it!!! Isn't anything that dies on Stargate really dead?

Joda	May 9th 2008, 1:25 AM Post #2
Senior Master Sergeant Group: Members Posts: 357 Joined: January 10th 2005 From: Ontario Canada eh Member No.: 7,542 Gender: Male	Maybe it takes place before Unending? Though I doubt that... maybe a few Asgard decided not to kick it, or they just didn't get the memo. Could be interesting... I'd like to see how Todd gets out of this one without a shot to the head from Ronan's blaster.

Dafmeister	May 9th 2008, 2:35 PM Post #3
General Group: Moderators Posts: 11,926 Joined: April 10th 2003 From: North Wales, UK Member No.: 1,340 Gender: Male	Considering Janus' tech is involved, I can see this involving time travel. I really can't see TPTB bringing back an Asgard then releasing an episode description that says the Asgard knows his race is dying.

Aussie_Bloke	May 10th 2008, 8:41 PM Post #4
First Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 700 Joined: December 16th 2004 From: Melbourne,Vic,Aus,Earth,Solar System,Milky Way Member No.: 7,259 Gender: Male	What about a "Pegasus Asgard" theory? Surely we would have heard from then by now...but you never know....

Dave312	May 11th 2008, 2:39 AM Post #5
Senior Master Sergeant Group: Members Posts: 367 Joined: September 23rd 2007 From: Australia Member No.: 15,343 Gender: Male	QUOTE(Aussie_Bloke @ May 11th 2008, 11:41 AM) What about a "Pegasus Asgard" theory? Surely we would have heard from then by now...but you never know.... What do you mean by a "Pegasus Asgard" theory? A group of Asgard's set up a base in Pegasus? This is another episode that looks rather interesting. I agree with Daf that it sounds like it could involve time travel and we do know that this takes place after the SG-1 episode Unending.

Aussie_Bloke	May 11th 2008, 6:58 AM Post #6
First Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 700 Joined: December 16th 2004 From: Melbourne,Vic,Aus,Earth,Solar System,Milky Way Member No.: 7,259 Gender: Male	I just mean similar to the 'Pegasus Replcators' - in that they are entirely seperate from the Ida Galaxy Asgard and might have better (or worse) technology. This could explain why they didn't participate in the big bang??? But most likely just a small group or maybe even 1 asgard managed to get ahold of a Janus Timeship and jumped ahead of their own species' destruction.

lancelot2	May 12th 2008, 4:43 AM Post #7
Second Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 574 Joined: October 2nd 2007 Member No.: 15,443 Gender: Male	perhaps » Click to Show Spoiler « it may have something to do with the continum movie?

Dafmeister	May 12th 2008, 1:00 PM Post #8
General Group: Moderators Posts: 11,926 Joined: April 10th 2003 From: North Wales, UK Member No.: 1,340 Gender: Male	An interesting possibility but » Click to Show Spoiler « It's a big consequence to a time line change to have an Asgard survive in Pegasus when there has been no previous evidence they were there (except for Hermiod)

IndyJan	May 12th 2008, 4:23 PM Post #9
Lieutenant General Group: Donating Members Posts: 5,356 Joined: July 17th 2004 Member No.: 5,622 Gender: Female	I agree since Janus is involved, I'm sure it will have something to do with Time Travel, but what? I have a hard time believing they would bring back an Asgard when they went to the trouble to kill them all off, but with M & M involved who knows what their thinking might be. I truly hated the demise of the Asgards. Like Jack, I liked those little gray guys.

lancelot2	May 13th 2008, 9:58 AM Post #10
Second Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 574 Joined: October 2nd 2007 Member No.: 15,443 Gender: Male	QUOTE(Dafmeister @ May 12th 2008, 7:00 PM) An interesting possibility but » Click to Show Spoiler « It's a big consequence to a time line change to have an Asgard survive in Pegasus when there has been no previous evidence they were there (except for Hermiod) » Click to Show Spoiler « you misunderstood me i didn't mean that only one asgart may have been alive because of cotinuum, but perhaps as a result of changes in the timeline that all of the asgard had survived. instead of commiting mass suicide.

BigusDickus	May 14th 2008, 1:00 PM Post #11
Airman First Class Group: Members Posts: 82 Joined: April 17th 2007 Member No.: 13,661 Gender: Male	Well loki was a rogue asguard hiding from all the other asguard when he cloned o'neill in sg1. And by the looks of this asguard's methods, mabye he is a rogue one too who fled to the pegasus galaxy. Who knows

JC1	May 14th 2008, 1:20 PM Post #12
Captain Group: Members Posts: 950 Joined: January 13th 2003 From: Dublin, Ireland Member No.: 342 Gender: Male	From the the title of the episode, "The Lost Tribe", I would guess that this Asgard they encounter is a part of a small group Asgard that broke away from the rest of the Asgard some time ago. Obviously they wouldn't have been blown up with the rest of Asgard, but they still have the same genetic degradation problem, so they're still a dying race. Thats my theory anyway, based on what we know so far.

IndyJan	May 14th 2008, 4:27 PM Post #13
Lieutenant General Group: Donating Members Posts: 5,356 Joined: July 17th 2004 Member No.: 5,622 Gender: Female	QUOTE(BigusDickus @ May 14th 2008, 1:00 PM) Well loki was a rogue asguard hiding from all the other asguard when he cloned o'neill in sg1. And by the looks of this asguard's methods, mabye he is a rogue one too who fled to the pegasus galaxy. Who knows If that is the case, then maybe they haven't been cloned as much as the Asgards we have seen and known. Maybe they are more humanoid and procreate the way humans do, minus the cloning.

Aussie_Bloke	May 14th 2008, 11:36 PM Post #14
First Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 700 Joined: December 16th 2004 From: Melbourne,Vic,Aus,Earth,Solar System,Milky Way Member No.: 7,259 Gender: Male	If it is part of a small group of asgards that broke away from the main group before the big bang, then possibly they would not have made the upgrades the main group have made (beam weapons)...so maybe we now have better technology than the asgard!

lancelot2	May 15th 2008, 3:10 AM Post #15
Second Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 574 Joined: October 2nd 2007 Member No.: 15,443 Gender: Male	QUOTE(Aussie_Bloke @ May 15th 2008, 5:36 AM) If it is part of a small group of asgards that broke away from the main group before the big bang, then possibly they would not have made the upgrades the main group have made (beam weapons)...so maybe we now have better technology than the asgard! well if we did have more tech than this small group of asgards (if it is a small group)then it'd be nice to see us sharing our technology with them for once instead of the other way around! imagine if we gave them an asgard core like what we've been able to recreate for our ships (in the alternate timeline ship the phoenix) also with their superior understanding of science it'd be good to see how an asgard would operate in atlantis perhaps even going as far as to see a small group of them in atlantis searching for a way to stave off thier genetic degradation!

Aussie_Bloke	May 15th 2008, 10:36 PM Post #16
First Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 700 Joined: December 16th 2004 From: Melbourne,Vic,Aus,Earth,Solar System,Milky Way Member No.: 7,259 Gender: Male	The Asgard had so much more tech than weapons though.... I think I would still take on oniell class over a 304....they just look better

lancelot2	May 16th 2008, 9:07 AM Post #17
Second Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 574 Joined: October 2nd 2007 Member No.: 15,443 Gender: Male	QUOTE(Aussie_Bloke @ May 16th 2008, 4:36 AM) The Asgard had so much more tech than weapons though.... I think I would still take on oniell class over a 304....they just look better i agree about asgard ships looking better,but i don't understand your reference to weapons the asgard core has a total compendium of asgard knowledge and technology not just weapons! so if we gave a group of off shoot asgards a core then they would understand that knowledge better than we would! they would also understand the workings of atlantis better than wwe would too! i've never understood why there has never been a tokra on atlantis as their grasp on technology is greater than ours too!

jacksworld	May 16th 2008, 12:34 PM Post #18
Technical Sergeant Group: Members Posts: 259 Joined: January 30th 2006 Member No.: 11,030 Gender: Male	well, this is supposed to be a continuation from the episode "First contact" right? Could it be that perhaps the asgard will be that new enemy that they encounter in "First Contact"? If so, i think it would be kinda kool to have them as an enemy instead of an ally.

Dave312	May 16th 2008, 6:50 PM Post #19
Senior Master Sergeant Group: Members Posts: 367 Joined: September 23rd 2007 From: Australia Member No.: 15,343 Gender: Male	QUOTE(jacksworld @ May 17th 2008, 3:34 AM) well, this is supposed to be a continuation from the episode "First contact" right? Could it be that perhaps the asgard will be that new enemy that they encounter in "First Contact"? If so, i think it would be kinda kool to have them as an enemy instead of an ally. Thats a good point. Daniel might have found some reference in the Asgard Core that mentions a group of them in Pegasus and thats why he came Atlantis. Although my interpretation of the spoiler for this episode was that the Asgard was helping them.

lancelot2	May 18th 2008, 3:36 AM Post #20
Second Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 574 Joined: October 2nd 2007 Member No.: 15,443 Gender: Male	QUOTE(jacksworld @ May 16th 2008, 6:34 PM) well, this is supposed to be a continuation from the episode "First contact" right? Could it be that perhaps the asgard will be that new enemy that they encounter in "First Contact"? If so, i think it would be kinda kool to have them as an enemy instead of an ally. i find it very doubtful that the asgard will be an enemy.it's just not in their nature to be enemies of a race that isn't trying to dominate/destroy the galaxy! i don't even think loki would have attacked earthlings unless they were a direct threat to the galaxy and he was a rogue asgard!

Dave312	May 18th 2008, 7:20 PM Post #21
Senior Master Sergeant Group: Members Posts: 367 Joined: September 23rd 2007 From: Australia Member No.: 15,343 Gender: Male	QUOTE(lancelot2 @ May 18th 2008, 6:36 PM) i find it very doubtful that the asgard will be an enemy.it's just not in their nature to be enemies of a race that isn't trying to dominate/destroy the galaxy! i don't even think loki would have attacked earthlings unless they were a direct threat to the galaxy and he was a rogue asgard! That doesn't really mean a lot though. Just because the Asgards we have seen are very friendly, that doesn't mean that they all are. Remember that we are speculating about a rogue group so we would expect that their views would be different to that of the Asgards we know. You would have to assume that their was some kind of falling out between them and who knows, it may have been about helping other races. Loki was just a scientist. He was experimenting with humans for the gain of his race. Just because he was doing it against the Asgard Council wishes does not mean he was the most rebellious among them.

lancelot2	May 19th 2008, 5:13 AM Post #22
Second Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 574 Joined: October 2nd 2007 Member No.: 15,443 Gender: Male	that is true.however the asgard seem to me to be a fairly logical race of people.governed by logic rather than emotion so i'd have to ask myself what would be the logic in an asgard attacking humans? we aren't any threat to them! in fact we're still even now with the asgard core nowhere near as powerful as they became before they're destruction!

JC1	May 19th 2008, 3:29 PM Post #23
Captain Group: Members Posts: 950 Joined: January 13th 2003 From: Dublin, Ireland Member No.: 342 Gender: Male	QUOTE(lancelot2 @ May 19th 2008, 11:13 AM) that is true.however the asgard seem to me to be a fairly logical race of people.governed by logic rather than emotion so i'd have to ask myself what would be the logic in an asgard attacking humans? we aren't any threat to them! in fact we're still even now with the asgard core nowhere near as powerful as they became before they're destruction! But again, if this is a different group of Asgard, than the Asgard we've come to know then we don't know anything about them. They may not be as logical and they may be more aggressive than the Asgard we know. The episode spoiler says, this Asgard is going to use a device to rid the galaxy of the Wraith and Daniel is trying to talk him out using it. Why does this Asgard want to rid the galaxy of the Wraith. Ok the Wraith aren't good, but as far as we know they are no threat to the Asgard, and the main Asgard took no action against them. So this Asgards attempt to wipe them out seems very aggressive. More importantly, why is Daniel trying to talk this Asgard out of using this device. Ridding the galaxy of the Wraith is good thing, so would Daniel try to stop it. It's possible use of this device involves some sort of sacrifice in human lives or something else that Daniel objects too. If thats the case, it's also possible Daniel takes matters into his own hands and he and McKay sabotage the device, which could make these Asgard a new enemy for Atlantis. This post has been edited by JC1: May 19th 2008, 3:30 PM

lancelot2	May 20th 2008, 4:16 AM Post #24
Second Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 574 Joined: October 2nd 2007 Member No.: 15,443 Gender: Male	QUOTE(JC1 @ May 19th 2008, 9:29 PM) But again, if this is a different group of Asgard, than the Asgard we've come to know then we don't know anything about them. They may not be as logical and they may be more aggressive than the Asgard we know. The episode spoiler says, this Asgard is going to use a device to rid the galaxy of the Wraith and Daniel is trying to talk him out using it. Why does this Asgard want to rid the galaxy of the Wraith. Ok the Wraith aren't good, but as far as we know they are no threat to the Asgard, and the main Asgard took no action against them. So this Asgards attempt to wipe them out seems very aggressive. More importantly, why is Daniel trying to talk this Asgard out of using this device. Ridding the galaxy of the Wraith is good thing, so would Daniel try to stop it. It's possible use of this device involves some sort of sacrifice in human lives or something else that Daniel objects too. If thats the case, it's also possible Daniel takes matters into his own hands and he and McKay sabotage the device, which could make these Asgard a new enemy for Atlantis. except you are forgetting that we get the new enemy in the episode before this,not in this episode so that tends to discredit your theory! it also says the asgard doesn't think there is time for them to come up with another plan to destroy the wraith together and he wouldn't be thinking off that if he was an enemy of atlantis would he? as too why daniels trying to talk the asgard out of using the device well perhaps it's because he knows from experience that temperal causality isn't something to be trifled with.you can easily end up making things a lot worse e.g mobius.

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