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post May 20th 2008, 4:33 AM
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QUOTE(lancelot2 @ May 20th 2008, 7:16 PM) *

except you are forgetting that we get the new enemy in the episode before this,not in this episode so that tends to discredit your theory! it also says the asgard doesn't think there is time for them to come up with another plan to destroy the wraith together and he wouldn't be thinking off that if he was an enemy of atlantis would he? as too why daniels trying to talk the asgard out of using the device well perhaps it's because he knows from experience that temperal causality isn't something to be trifled with.you can easily end up making things a lot worse e.g mobius.

We don't know if the Asgard are introduced in this episode or the previous one.

It depends on perspective when you say that things turned out worse in Moebius. From the perspective of the Goa'uld things turned out better 1.gif
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QUOTE(JC1 @ May 19th 2008, 9:29 PM) *
Why does this Asgard want to rid the galaxy of the Wraith. Ok the Wraith aren't good, but as far as we know they are no threat to the Asgard, and the main Asgard took no action against them. So this Asgards attempt to wipe them out seems very aggressive.
The Asgard are living beings, therefore the Wraith can feed on them, that constitutes a threat. The Wraith are the species responsible for defeating the Ancients. We know the Ancients had more advanced tech but it didn't save them. The Wraith still have a pretty large force left, if they chose to attack, they would be a threat. If time travel isn't involved, there is only one Asgard left in existence - another threat to their race.
Considering the goal of the Atlantis expedition is to defeat the Wraith, for Daniel and McKay to oppose it makes it sounds as if there would be larger consequences than just the Wraith being wiped out.
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post May 23rd 2008, 5:52 AM
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QUOTE(Dafmeister @ May 21st 2008, 8:27 PM) *

The Asgard are living beings, therefore the Wraith can feed on them, that constitutes a threat. The Wraith are the species responsible for defeating the Ancients. We know the Ancients had more advanced tech but it didn't save them. The Wraith still have a pretty large force left, if they chose to attack, they would be a threat. If time travel isn't involved, there is only one Asgard left in existence - another threat to their race.
Considering the goal of the Atlantis expedition is to defeat the Wraith, for Daniel and McKay to oppose it makes it sounds as if there would be larger consequences than just the Wraith being wiped out.

i actually agree with what you've said there.except that the wraith can feed on asgard we don't know that
we do know that a wraith can't feed on monkeys and other types of animals so we don't know if the asgard are compatible enough for them! (btw it was metioned in poisoning the well about the monkeys at least i think it was monkeys.)
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QUOTE(lancelot2 @ May 23rd 2008, 8:52 PM) *

i actually agree with what you've said there.except that the wraith can feed on asgard we don't know that
we do know that a wraith can't feed on monkeys and other types of animals so we don't know if the asgard are compatible enough for them! (btw it was metioned in poisoning the well about the monkeys at least i think it was monkeys.)

Wraith can't feed on Monkeys?? I really don't remember that. The Asgard very much resemble us, so it stands to reason that their bodies work similar to ours, hence they would be able to be fed on. However we also know that their bodies do not contain all of the same glands that our bodies do (its been mentioned quite a few times). So maybe their bodies also don't contain whatever is needed for the process to work. I think I need to watch that episode again.
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QUOTE(Dave312 @ May 23rd 2008, 12:02 PM) *

Wraith can't feed on Monkeys?? I really don't remember that. The Asgard very much resemble us, so it stands to reason that their bodies work similar to ours, hence they would be able to be fed on. However we also know that their bodies do not contain all of the same glands that our bodies do (its been mentioned quite a few times). So maybe their bodies also don't contain whatever is needed for the process to work. I think I need to watch that episode again.

yes it clearly states that they had tried numerous things on which to feed the starving wraith including monkeys but they just weren't compatible enough for him.or something along those lines.
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QUOTE(lancelot2 @ May 24th 2008, 7:00 AM) *

yes it clearly states that they had tried numerous things on which to feed the starving wraith including monkeys but they just weren't compatible enough for him.or something along those lines.

I was watching this episode and I think I've found the quote you are referring to:
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SHEPPARD: I tried to feed him all sorts of live stuff but apparently there is only one item on his menu.

No mention of monkeys but I get your point. Although without actually knowing what they have tried to feed him there is no way to say whether the Asgard can be fed on.
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QUOTE(Dave312 @ May 23rd 2008, 8:14 PM) *

I was watching this episode and I think I've found the quote you are referring to:

No mention of monkeys but I get your point. Although without actually knowing what they have tried to feed him there is no way to say whether the Asgard can be fed on.


Well, i imagine with the size of the asgard, and their genetic degradation or whatever you call it would make the asgard incompatible for the wraith to feed upon. It would make some sense to me, but hey this is Sci-fi we are talking about so, who knows. Speaking of the wraith and the asgard. The wraith are an evolution result of the iratus bug and the ancients...it would be interesting see an evolution between the iratus bug and the asgard.
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QUOTE(jacksworld @ May 24th 2008, 3:08 AM) *

Well, i imagine with the size of the asgard, and their genetic degradation or whatever you call it would make the asgard incompatible for the wraith to feed upon. It would make some sense to me, but hey this is Sci-fi we are talking about so, who knows. Speaking of the wraith and the asgard. The wraith are an evolution result of the iratus bug and the ancients...it would be interesting see an evolution between the iratus bug and the asgard.

hey that would be a good one to see an asraith? or a wraithgard?
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Unless the Asgard were in Pegasus a thousand years ago I doubt there will be a Asraith (I like that one better) as the Wraith evolved over time... not over night. I think.

Unless Michael is involved somehow.

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QUOTE(jacksworld @ May 24th 2008, 3:08 AM) *
Well, i imagine with the size of the asgard, and their genetic degradation or whatever you call it would make the asgard incompatible for the wraith to feed upon.
How would their genetic disorder affect whether the Wraith could feed on them? The Asgard bodies can live for thousands of years, the average Human lifespan is around 70 years. The Asgard can provide a lot more "food" for the Wraith than a Human.
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QUOTE(Dafmeister @ May 24th 2008, 9:20 AM) *

How would their genetic disorder affect whether the Wraith could feed on them? The Asgard bodies can live for thousands of years, the average Human lifespan is around 70 years. The Asgard can provide a lot more "food" for the Wraith than a Human.


I dont know Daf, it was more of a theory...There is still alot more to understand on the wraiths feeding capabilities. Due to the genetic degradation could it be possible that it would change the asgards physiology to a point where it could affect the wraith in a negative way? Yea, the asgards bodies can live for a thousand years which would seem like it would be a great thing for the wraith. But the asgard's anatomy isnt quite the same as humans.

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Who knows, it will be interesting to see how it turns out.
I'm not entirely convinced we will be seeing the Asgard in the current timeline. As Daniel is looking through a lab which belonged to Janus, my view is that time travel is somehow involved and that the Asgard are encountered in the past although their involvement with the Wraith is still a mystery.
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QUOTE(Dafmeister @ May 24th 2008, 2:38 PM) *

Who knows, it will be interesting to see how it turns out.
I'm not entirely convinced we will be seeing the Asgard in the current timeline. As Daniel is looking through a lab which belonged to Janus, my view is that time travel is somehow involved and that the Asgard are encountered in the past although their involvement with the Wraith is still a mystery.


I would hope that it has nothing to do with timetravel becuase that is starting to get really old to me.
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QUOTE(Dafmeister @ May 24th 2008, 8:33 PM) *

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It's possible but didn't Thor say that a genetic disease was spreading among the Asgard due to the manipulation of their DNA? I thought all the Asgard returned to their homeworld to try this one final cure but it backfired and caused the disease which killed them.
There is certainly the possibility that some survived somewhere but (if I'm right) it wouldn't fit with the canon already established unless Lancelot's speculation that events in 'Continuum' shape future plots.
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QUOTE(Dafmeister @ May 24th 2008, 8:57 PM) *

It's possible but didn't Thor say that a genetic disease was spreading among the Asgard due to the manipulation of their DNA? I thought all the Asgard returned to their homeworld to try this one final cure but it backfired and caused the disease which killed them.
There is certainly the possibility that some survived somewhere but (if I'm right) it wouldn't fit with the canon already established unless Lancelot's speculation that events in 'Continuum' shape future plots.


hmmm, a disease? i honestly do not remember that. I will have to rewatch that episode again..
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is it possible, that the asguard sent out an expedition to pegasus to locate the ancients, or remnants of ancient tech in hopes of finding a cure for there genetic degredation hundreds of years prior. It has never been stated as to when they became a dying race, but maybe this expedition hoped to find a living ancient. Like us they faced the wraith during their last culling hundred years prior, and now hold a grudge against their atrocities.

or maybe like the old deep space ship that was discovered in sg-1 these asgaurds were original explorers who used Stasis chambers and traveled afar using old 1st gen hyperdrives. Then after arriving in pegassus discovered the wraith, who intern devasted them, and then they met SGA. Daniel told them they are the only asguards left, and with the wraith destroying the last of these lost tribe asguards, the only option this one has is to destroy them with Janus' device (possibly a dakara device)
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QUOTE(TheCordler @ Aug 7th 2008, 10:12 AM) *

is it possible, that the asguard sent out an expedition to pegasus to locate the ancients, or remnants of ancient tech in hopes of finding a cure for there genetic degredation hundreds of years prior. It has never been stated as to when they became a dying race, but maybe this expedition hoped to find a living ancient. Like us they faced the wraith during their last culling hundred years prior, and now hold a grudge against their atrocities.

or maybe like the old deep space ship that was discovered in sg-1 these asgaurds were original explorers who used Stasis chambers and traveled afar using old 1st gen hyperdrives. Then after arriving in pegassus discovered the wraith, who intern devasted them, and then they met SGA. Daniel told them they are the only asguards left, and with the wraith destroying the last of these lost tribe asguards, the only option this one has is to destroy them with Janus' device (possibly a dakara device)

Very imaginitive; do you have any facts to back up your theory?

The device on Dakara created an energy wave capable of disrupting particular types of energy bonds, or, on the other side, creating particular types of matter.
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QUOTE(Revan @ Aug 7th 2008, 12:50 PM) *

Very imaginitive; do you have any facts to back up your theory?

The device on Dakara created an energy wave capable of disrupting particular types of energy bonds, or, on the other side, creating particular types of matter.


i figure that since the milkyway had a dakara device for seeding or destroying life then maybe the ancients built one over at pegasus, or at least janus decided to as a last resort to kill the wraith. He was known for being a rare out of the box alterran
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QUOTE(TheCordler @ Aug 8th 2008, 12:36 PM) *

i figure that since the milkyway had a dakara device for seeding or destroying life then maybe the ancients built one over at pegasus, or at least janus decided to as a last resort to kill the wraith. He was known for being a rare out of the box alterran

The Atlantians had millions of years to do their thing in Pegasus. Why would they need a device like the one on Dakara?

Thats not out-of-the-box, its genocide, and it would kill everybody, not just the Wraith.
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I have heard people on here say that asgard bodies lived for thousands of years but we do not know that it has never been mentioned how long the bodies last for all we do know is that when an asgard body starts to fail their consciousness is downloaded to a new body.
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What if this episode just takes place a year or so ago... say before the events of "Unending"?

Or was it mentioned specificially at some point that the only time Jackson got to Atlantis before Unending was during "The Pegasus Project"?

Otherwise, I'm gonna hafta go with the obvious guess, and say the Asgard tribe in Pegasus is the Lost Tribe mentioned in the name... They decided to go visit/explore and ended up getting cut off from the Homeworld somehow... maybe [if the episode doesn't take place before Unending] these Asgard know that they are the last of a race, and they are desperate... they'll do anything to save their kind and be the Harbingers of the Asgard Rebirth, including mass genocide of the Wraith...

I dunno, I'm sick and rambling... and ideas make my ear ache worse...
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