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post Feb 17th 2004, 4:18 PM
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Episode 19 - Resurrection
Air Date: (UK) February 17, 2004
Air Date: (US) Feburary 27, 2004

SG-1 investigates when the NID becomes involved in genetic research.

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post Feb 17th 2004, 4:32 PM
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I thought this episode was pretty good (better than the last two at least), with a lot of the usual stuff that makes a Stargate SG-1 episode good for me. There were a lot of ethical questions raised in this episode, as well as a lot of past events addressed and of course suspense.

We had Daniel playing the moral role for most of the episode and I thought Michael Shanks did a decent job. Jack was very absent and they were obviously using his injury as yet another excuse to let him have less air time. What I thought was missing most however was for Sam to be the one messing with the bomb rather than Dr. Lee.

Before seeing this episode I thought that it was going to be just yet another episode where they find another Goa'uld on Earth, but it had a major twist and I always like the scientific ones smile.gif I found it really interesting how they were experimenting with the genetic memory and it gives hope in other areas, like doing the same with the Tok'ra to preserve them, or maybe even altering the genetic memories to "fix" Goa'ulds further down the line.

I think they did well casting for Anna as she did look very innocent as intended and played the role really well. I did however have a problem with the "evil scientist" character. I think they really over did this to the point where it was kind of like a cliche/stereotype. Okay, he had to be very twisted to do what he did, but I just thought they could have made him less eerie/evil and achieved a better effect by focusing more on his dedication to his work and the ultimate goal of defending Earth. I know they tried to imply that he was doing it to save the Earth, but his character just made it seem like he was enjoying it too much for this to be the main reason.

A few nitpicks... How was Anna able to overpower all those people? She also overpowered Daniel and the guards. Okay, she has the Goa'uld genetic memory but she shouldn't be any stronger. The only explanation I can think of is that it was a result of the cloning, but I see no reason why they would give her enhanced strength. Also, that fire started flaring up way too quickly for me. We see a shot of her lighting one bit and then a second later the entire thing is up in flames.... did she have alcohol in there to pass the time or something? blink.gif

Overall, quite good and I'd give it 7/10.

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post Feb 17th 2004, 4:33 PM
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I quite enjoyed this episode though I thought that it borrowed heavily from the X-files genre-not that that is a bad thing huh.gif
As usual though Teal'c seemed to spend what little time he was in the episode saying "Indeed" and basically having very little to do. As I feared in another thread, RDA was only in the opening credits-this does not bode well for next season.
Anyhoo, the story was good and not too much of an anti- climax after last weeks events. Daniel bonded with her (Anna) and Sam managed to pull! (Sam, love, you chose the wrong fella!)
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post Feb 17th 2004, 4:34 PM
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good episode but was it me or did it seem a little too quick to end ?
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post Feb 17th 2004, 5:14 PM
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Hmmm. Was that The X-Files without Mulder and Scully or Stargate without the Stargate?!?! Felt like a hybrid episode of the two shows about a human/alien hybrid. Whatever next? Near indestructible super-soldiers? - hang on a minute!!!!!!!!

P!$$ take aside - AT did a cracking job directing, and as a fan of both shows it of worked for me and I enjoyed the suspense and drama - but wasn't Stargate.

Kudos to them all for making us look like idiots, wetting our pants over the SC/DJ kiss!!! It would have really messed up the direction of the show, glad it didn't happen.

I think this episode has left us with addition fears about the Gou'ald and they can crop up anywhere, plus the rouge NID and what trouble their prattish behaviour could get us into. Also, it has opened up a lot of possibilities for the future.

Best line:

SC: It's just, I'm seeing someone
AB (surprised): Really, you?
SC (indignantly): You asked me out!


Now that's SC attitude! Bring it back!

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much better than the last two
*** for me

liked the story, i enjoyed smoke an mirrors last season, and i like the way it ended, without much warning. love the nid stories, and i hate them even more.
and the reprocussions of absolute power was good to see

a very good episode
and only 3 left. lets hope they are better!
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post Feb 17th 2004, 5:47 PM
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Well.

I've been saying all week that I wasn't expecting much from this episode, but you know it didn't totally suck. It was...okay.

On the whole though for me it was pretty...bland. A nothing episode. I got no sense of jeopardy from the bomb scenario (how many dangerous bombs about to explode is that they've stopped at the last minute now?), I never felt any tension or drama as events unfolded, my emotions weren't engaged enough to feel very sorry or much concern for Anna, there were a couple of mildly amusing lines of dialogue, but they made me smile rather than chuckle...it was just pretty mediocre. I didn't hate it, but I didn't love it either. I thought it was rather slow all the way through then ended with a sudden burst as though someone had realised they had five minutes left to tie up all the loose ends.

I thought the girl playing Anna was pretty poor in the acting stakes. I think. It occurs to me that it might not have been that she acted the part like a snail on valium but that this was a deliberate choice by TPTB to make her that low key. So I might be judging her unfairly there. Whatever it was, acting or direction, the differences in Anna and the Goa'ould barely registered and I got absolutely no real sense of menace from the Goa'ould half of the personality at all.

Agent Barrett deserved everything he got. Doesn't he know that if you go down the cellar stairs in the dark while hunting the bad guy, said bad guy will snag your ankle and pitch you down them head first? Eeesh. Hasn't he watched that movie? laugh.gif And he's joined in the Agent Idiot awards - joint first prize winner - by the guard. That was the easiest escape since Tanith killed three Tok'ra while two of them were several feet away. (Apparently they just stood there watching him choke their colleague to death and then go after them one by one...)

One thing I was very impressed with on this one was Amanda Tapping's direction. There were some very interesting direction choices in the episode which really stood out.

I liked the 'well you asked me out' scene - even if it did remind me that Pete's still hovering in the background. tongue.gif

I agree with the posters noting the XF connection. There were times when I did wonder which show I was watching. And that made me realise something. It seems to me that this season we've had more episodes based almost entirely at the SGC or on Earth than any other season ever had. I'm not one of those who demands that they go through the Stargate every single episode and some of those SGC/Earth episodes have been among my very favourites at times. But even so, I'm starting to get rather tired of them not being offworld. Some more variety please, TPTB!

Sure there were other things which will occur to me later.

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post Feb 17th 2004, 6:43 PM
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What did I learn from watching Stargate tonight?

Well for starters I learnt that Michael Shanks has not only seen Silence of the Lambs but that he was a big X Files fan too! It's the only explanation. Not that there's anything wrong with that. If you're going to pay homage to something it might as well be one of the best ever TV series of all time.

I also learnt that Amanda Tapping is pretty damn handy behind the camera. The direction certainly seemed top notch to me, and even lifted the plot in several places where it might otherwise have been a little too talky. I partuclarly liked the long opening shot where the camera pans down and inside to building. I know she mentioned it in an interview but it really was a lovely shot. I remember her mentioning that she was trying to get a sense of movement too and I think she probably suceeded there. I quite liked the way it occasionally cut between slow movement shots to still shots too as this created interest. Ok, I'll stop with the arty farty AT sucking up now! wink.gif

Plotwise this is probably not everyones cup of tea. No real action, no people shooting people with big guns, no Stargate, not a great deal of humour...but from a story point of view it was pretty good and solid. It had a great sci fi base concept to build on and previous events featured nicely and in context within the story, which is always nice to see. Also, you can see potential development of the story line for the future too.
If I had to pick a nit then it would be that Teal'c kind of faded into the background. I know he was helping out with the bomb thing but he really just stood around and said "Indeed." MS must suffer Teal'c Wallpaper Syndrome just like all those lovely fanfic authors out there!
The other nit would be the whole bomb part of the plot itself. Not to be insensitive but who really cares if hundreds of people are going to die if it goes off? I mean our guys, we know, will be ok because you stick in a throwaway comment about a helicopter on standby. Basically I care about them being in peril, not countless masses I've never met. Might have been more exciting if they'd let the bomb actually go off...maybe the budget couldn't quite make it to several square miles of prime real estate being blown to smithereens though.

And all that speculation over that snog...heh! What snog. Sorry Daniel/Sam shippers. Not even a hug wink.gif

So all in all I thought it was a pretty good episode, pretty well written on the whole and a very good first directorial attempt by AT.
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I partuclarly liked the long opening shot where the camera pans down and inside to building.


I really enjoyed the quirky little moments. The reflection of Anna in Daniel's glasses and the sudden focus shift onto his eye when he's watching the tape and the moment where he's talking to Anna in her cell and we don't see her but see her reactions through her reflection in the glass next to him as though they're standing side by side, just to mention two. All very, very stylish! Our Amanda's obviously very talented in this department.

One other thing I did love and forgot to mention earlier was Daniel rushing into the interrogation room. Growly Daniel! Now I could do with seeing more of him. <g>

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enh,
At least it started out well.
I wasn't real impressed with the guard thing, or the bomb either, or the whole end for that matter. I can't think of a better way to end the Anna thing, but it was very unsatisfying.
So can we "interface with crystals" by wrapping a little wire around them? Didn?t it look more high tech in the past? And I distinctly remember carter saying something to the effect of it being hard.
4/10
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post Feb 18th 2004, 1:23 AM
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First off I want to say that Amanda Tapping did a great job in directing the episode. Pretty good for a first time run.

The episode was very interesting and unique. It seemed like there were influences from other shows and movies such as Species, Silence Of The Lambs and The X-Files. It definitely had an X-Files feel to it. The chemistry between Carter and Barrett reminded me of Mulder and Scully. Not dead ringers, just bell ringers. wink.gif

Daniel trying to get through to Anna is vintage Daniel. Just like the time he tried to get through to Reese and the narcesis (sp) child. Alot of references to past episodes to remind us of who they are and what they do best. Very well written.

This was more the 'digging to get to the truth' type of episode and explores the evils that humanity will do in order to fulfill a good intention. A theme very similar to that of 2010, 2001 and The Other Side. My favorite type of episode.

And to those who thought Anna should have lived, it was best that the character was killed off. Both the mad scientist nor Anna could not be part of a positive outcome had they lived.
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post Feb 18th 2004, 1:45 AM
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I didn't think the episode was up to scratch. Wasn't really impressed at all.

"OOh look a bomb..."
"I think they are deactivation codes"
"OOh its off!"

It wasn't tense in the slightest!
The fact that the goa'uld clone Anna set fire to her cell was obvioudly a tactic to get out, and what happened...they let her! Shouldn't they have been a little cautious pointing a gun at her or something?
The scientist guy was no better, I thought it was crap acting to be quite honest.
I thought it was a good storyline though, and good directing from AT. If it had been developed a lot more, it could have been better.

Episode gets a 4/10 for me.
Inauguration next week...another 'looking back into the past' episode...
I enjoyed disclosure so I'll have to wait and see....
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post Feb 18th 2004, 4:21 AM
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QUOTE (Majikthize @ Feb 17 2004, 11:43 PM)
The other nit would be the whole bomb part of the plot itself. Not to be insensitive but who really cares if hundreds of people are going to die if it goes off? I mean our guys, we know, will be ok because you stick in a throwaway comment about a helicopter on standby. Basically I care about them being in peril, not countless masses I've never met.

This is a pretty good point. The mention of the helicopter pretty much removed a lot of the tension and suspense from the episode, although clearly there were still people in danger so it wasn't too bad. I kind of agree that the episode would have been better off without this comment and making us think that SG-1 were in danger too. Then again, writing like that can be be a little counter-productive because in the end, we usually know that SG-1 aren't going to die. With how Michael Shanks wrote it, it was at least more plausible that the bomb might have gone off.
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post Feb 18th 2004, 4:54 AM
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The episode starts off saying "Los Angeles" and later the guy says "how many people are in Orange County?"

Excuse me, but Los Angeles is not in Orange County. This error is more stupid than the "no zoo in Colorado Springs" error. What is so hard about looking up facts for these writers?

If I wanted to watch the X-files, I would. At least they could figure out what county a city is in.
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post Feb 18th 2004, 5:25 AM
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I didnt like it either. Where DID that photo come from (someone faking it to put off the shippers, no doubt).
Thought Anna was crap. Scientist was a half mold of Drama characters (particulary Salazar in 24). Only good bits were Teal'c and the other guy with the bomb.

Overall, good ideas poorly used. Michael-strike 1
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post Feb 18th 2004, 6:35 AM
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QUOTE (The Doctor @ Feb 18 2004, 10:25 AM)
I didnt like it either. Where DID that photo come from (someone faking it to put off the shippers, no doubt).

No, I think it was real, just not part of any episode. I recall that Amanda Tapping stated in a live chat that it was just her and Michael Shanks fooling around on set. I guess they thought that it would be a good fake teaser for the fans too (and they were right!) - they have done this kind of thing before. It does however make me wonder what else they get up to on set... especially since they are both (to my knowledge) romantically involved with other people.
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post Feb 18th 2004, 7:29 AM
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QUOTE (Arcady @ Feb 18 2004, 04:54 AM)
This error is more stupid than the "no zoo in Colorado Springs" error. What is so hard about looking up facts for these writers?



So.....there is, I take it, a zoo in Colorado springs? blink.gif

lol.

The directing, on A.T's part, was very well done and as i have not been reading spoilers, as i have learned my lesson, i didn't realise it was her directing. But very well done miss Tapping.

My memory is a little misty, as no blank tapes to record on, but i think my favourite shot was the bit where, Daniel, agent and sam, walk into the room with a close up of there back view and pans out to show the 'cage'. Please correct me, nicely, if i am wrong.

The characters in the story, meaning Daniel and sam, was there usual roles. Daniel was the morals and sam the 'book worm' who, i am sure, is the type that loved revision back in high school.....However, may i stress, that it was high class performances for them and that I loved the tryst between Sam and the Agent.

Teal'c actually, personally to me, did all that the character could do to add to the story. I am not a believer in adding them in just to have them there...he was fun to watch with the scientist ( sorry about lack of names) and i loved the 'give me five bit'- you would think teal's new of that classic by now! laugh.gif

The episode, when i had stopped watching it left....well nothing. This was nothing to do with the acting or directing but i think more the writing. A director can only work with the script that they have been given and i think a, had i'd written the episode ( god help us!), i would have added a few extra scenes to add a little 'umph' and tension to the story.

I will give this episode a 7/10.

the credits going to A.T and, compared with other posters, to the creepiest, baddest, slimy, son of a b**ch that stargate could of used...the Doc- he scared me! lol
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I thought this episode was poor, granted it has been better than some of the eps but not as good as it used to be. sad.gif

Nice to see Dr lee again... but i think next weeks episode will kill Stargate Sg1 off now that it is going to be in a different 'universe' as the new President comes in.

R.I.P Stargate

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There's not much left to say about this, everyone else has mentioned everything so i'll be brief. Good directing, it helped what was, in my opinion, a very bad plot. We've already had almost this exact plot before...on many occasions. The same basic plot was in evidence in 605 - Nightwalkers, in 703 - Fragile Balance and many others. Come on Michael (Shanks), this is wearing a bit thin now, we need new and different episodes. Leave it to Chris and the wriers to write episodes.( By plot I mean cloning and its repercussions.) Confuzzled.gif

Although we have seen this story many times before, it wasn't all that bad in the end. My main gripe was that this seemed to be more of a way to waste an hour on a Tuesday Night rather than something which is going to advance the plot, as many episodes this season have been. It has also been mentioned about the excessive amount of Earth-based episodes that there has been this season, I am holding out hope that this may be a way to save money, as no trip through the Gate means no world to show on the other side which will, usually, save money. Lets hope that this allowed them to spend a lot on the season finale. biggrin.gif

Back to the topic, it seemed like a nothing episode but it wasn't terrible, it wasn't original but what was there was done well enough. 6/10. Lets hope that the quality picks up with only 3 to go . unsure.gif
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QUOTE (ramuund @ Feb 18 2004, 07:29 AM)
The episode, when i had stopped watching it left....well nothing. This was nothing to do with the acting or directing but i think more the writing. A director can only work with the script that they have been given

You know Michael Shanks wrote this episode, right?
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You know Michael Shanks wrote this episode, right?


I personally don't think he so much wrote it as scribbled it on the back of an envelope during his coffee break. It was very average writing imo. Done much better in Menace, where the relationship between Daniel and Reece was poignant, agonising, touching and amusing in perfect balance. Here it just wasn't written well enough to engage the emotions. Well, it didn't for me anyway, as I've said previously.

When I watched the episode and posted first it had escaped my attention that it was MS who wrote the script. Now that I've been reminded of that, I'm even more disappointed than previously. I really expect better from someone who knows the characters and the show so well.

Maybe he was suffering from nearing the end of the season lethargy or something. It happens.

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Wow the first time Germany is mentioned in the series, and it's about a war criminal's son... I'm really disappointed. A colleague told me yesterday that the only thing Americans associate with Germany is World War II. Seems as if she was right. Yeah Germans don't have a conscience of course... I have never ever heard about the atrocities of an immoral son of a Nazi war criminal in real life. Just to let you know... genetic research is much more restricted in Germany because of moral issues than in the US (I don't know about Canada). Leaving the nationality aside, I just don't think there are still sons of Nazi war criminals out there undertaking terrible experiments on humans, it's really a myth - and an outdated one.

I agree there was little tension, and the end came too sudden, like in a bad x-files episode. And everyone knew in the end Anna would take revenge and kill off her own creator. So what we wanted to know was what ELSE would happen, well little did.

I'm thinking of a statement from one of the directors, I've forgotton his name... he said the ideal length would be 70 mins per episode. I think that becomes evident when we look at this episode: nobody really cares when Anna dies, because there wasn't enough time to develop the relationship between her and Daniel. We really don't learn much about her before she's gone.

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QUOTE (Arcady @ Feb 18 2004, 08:39 AM)
You know Michael Shanks wrote this episode, right?

When he was asked about it, this was when i met him, he said that he had found it alot harder than he thought and that he needed alot of help. It is his first try and it wasn't that bad and he did have other writers with him so they must shoulder it aswell. smile.gif

...and is there a zoo in colorado springs? tongue.gif ....seriously, it's bugging me! laugh.gif
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I thought it didn't suck to much AT's directing was good however the story ended to quickly but i haven't decided who's fault that is yet. However i could of fallen asleep for some of it (blame it on the jet lag) Will say more when i can put together whole sentences
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