I like the fact that I have not seen to many spoilers on this episode. Makes it more of a mystery to me!

The cafeteria scene with McKay..... McKay really is not a good liar at all! Also with the cafe. It looks almost like a SGC one and the airman in white is the same one who made the face when McKay in a SG1 episode goes "Is there lemon on this chicken" and the guy went "It's Lemonchicken"

I think this is a well written episode. Binder does not do to badly!

NICE CGI image of the fog surrounded Atlantis. Nice to see a different view of it other than the sun soaked version of it.

They have an alpha site? I knew at one time they were looking for a site but since when did they actually set one up?

I feel sorry for Michael and for Dr Beckett!

My thing with this is why did they not build into his brain some kind of fail-safe to be triggered in the event that he attempted to escape?

Good episode over all! Though, it ended quite abruptly and they got away at the end way to easily.

This post has been edited by Auntie Em!: Jan 16th 2006, 8:49 PM

good episode overall.
i was also thinking that they should have had a failsafe put in him like the goa'old hybrid girl who the NID cloned did.


side topic but this is really p***ing me off, a buble keeps coming up from my tool bar say "your computer is infected". i found out its malware trying to trick you but i cant remove it. i have scanned it with adawre, spydoctor and avg.
any thoughts.

dave

This episode was a good introduction of Micheal who will be playing in the next upcoming episodes. But now the wraith know about atlantis and the retrovirus, sounds exciting.

overall it was good.

I found some software that I have been using for a while that seems to work well. Here is the site:

http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/

It is free but the author asks for donations to keep the update going.
Hope this helps.

Pretty good episode! I give it a 7.8/10. I really liked the ending, it just makes the episode more a part of the whole season instead of an episode on its self. I was starting to feel there was hardly a story arc (that's what it's called right?). I liked the suspense that everybody knew what was going on, except poor Michael. Finally Weir did something against Sheppards will, anybody thinks this was done intentionatly (sp?) by the writers because a lot of people felt like Sheppard was in charge? Especially because of the look on Sheppards face. Hated Ronan again, what did he add to this episode? Not much if anything at all! If they replaced him with some soldier I wouldn't have noticed.

Oh and yay for more firepower, can't wait to see what they come up with

Cons go to the off topic section in the computer section. There is a thread called keeping your computer clean. Post a post on it and I am sure lots will help you with it if the site someone here posted here does not work.

I liked Ronon here. For once his aggressive style was correct and everyone else was wrong.

Why did the SF keep calling him Lt and why did one have his back to Michael? With a pistol. They should only have had the other guns that stun so if he did get aggressive he could not kill someone. I mean of course after Michael realized who he was. They should have become more strict with protocol and defensive. They seemed a little relaxed for having such a potentially deadly prisoner.

Hi,i'm a noob here so don't be too harsh on me...In my opinion if they really had the 2nd ZPM (from "Coup d'Etat") up and running they'll be able to sink the city again,just buying the time for cavalry arriving .

shite ep, so nothing more to say
*

a snooze fest and i never really cared for trip
only good part was the set up for the next ep

it was terrible.

not the story of the episode. the story was very interesting.

but it was terrible to see those characters to do such a wrong wrong wrong wrong thing.

i think it is too arrogant to think that the humans as beings are so much better than the wraith. i am not saying that they should not fight them. they should. and kill those that attack them. but to convert them to humans... for me it does not seem any better than death... you loose your body, you lose also your memories, which in my definition means you lose your personality. what does remain there? nothing but an empty body. it's hypocritical to think that you are not killing him. you are. and you're making his body fight against what he believed in.

well, if they would not have any other way, then it's something else. but i'm sure it's easier to kill them than to convert them. after all, they have to get somehow this magic transormation potion onto the hive ships. if they are able to do that, they could just send some nuclear bombs.

i waited during the whole episode, that at some point someone realizes that they were wrong. but NOONE decided so (except the wraith-guy ;)... even the doctor was willing to continue this "experiment"...the DOCTOR! where is his hippocratic oath?!??!

McKay said in season 1 that he had no idea how the Ancients submerged the city. So it is unlikely that they would be able to take it beneath the surface even if they did have another ZPM.

Where can im find a transcript of this episode?

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PS:(On Topic) Can't wait to see the episode myself.

But anyway: How was the acting of the person who played Michael?

This post has been edited by Atlantians: Jan 17th 2006, 10:58 PM

It was like one of the best episode of the season, with all the drama and stuff.
But i have to say the writers aren't putting that much effort to the ending of the episode. They just wanted Michael to leave to another world and contact the wraith bout' Atlantis. So they can have another Siege and a cliffhanger at the end of the season.
You've got to say if they ever want to get any awards they really have to make a firmer storyline, the basic part was good. but when it came to securing Michael in the offworld base it wasn't too good, my guess is because the writers had to finish up the episode cause they still have some stuff to put in and there's probably only 15 minutes or so left.
So #1: It doesn't seem like anybody was placed outside the medical tent Michael was in, or else they would've at least talked bout' it
#2: There were only two guards, I repeat TWO guards at the gate, c'mon. When you're escorting Saddam Hussein, u had more than two guards standing-by. The guards at the Alpha Base had with them a P-90 and that was it. Michael is way stronger and more dangerous than Saddam Hussein.
Second of all, there Alpha Base' Gate is out in the woods of nowhere. Back-then in SG-1' Alpha Base (the one that got destroyed in Season 7), their gate was very clear out in the open and they had more people guarding it. The weapons the guards had were way more powerful. But then u got to think back, the guards at Atlantis' gate were merly soldiers with a P-90. While the guys back in the SGC had big helmets, long rail guns and all that. Why didn't they just use the rail guns that the USMC brought with them in "The Siege Pt.2"?

Now let's get back on topic

#3. From what i remember in "The ties that Blind" of SG-1 Season 9, the government or was it the International Committee said more money would be spent on Atlantis rather than the SGC. I don't know if that has been changed after the ORI Plague.
But what I'm saying is, shouldn't the Atlantis Off-World Base be more advanced then just a few tents if they had a bigger budget than the SGC. Bump up their security.
#4. The only reason that I can think of why the gate is in the middle of nowhere in the forest is because they didn't want people to know this was there Alpha Site. So security wouldn't be very visible around the gate. But if u don't want security to be visible. Then build a little post near the gate, which is covered up, so when bad guys are coming through u can alert the Alpha Site saying their location has been compromised and they can evacuate without being detected or killed.
#5. My conclusion is, if they were really part of the USMC, and Lt. Colonel Sheppard was actually a Lt. Colonel, then they would've at least bumped up security some sort of way, esp. around the gate. Pull one of the gate's crystal, just like what Lt. Ford did back in "The Lost Boys" to make it so the only address they can dial is Atlantis.

So In conclusion, if the writers really want the military to be part of the expedition they should really know how a normal Lt. Colonel would think

See you just shown your a n00b Atlantian that is the kind of sh*t that people yell at you for. Get over yourself will you. Please!

Also read the freaking rules you are not allowed to post here just to say you cannot wait to see the episode. Persist and I will report your ass for spamming!

Geeze. This is why I like the America's Army Forum. Everyone is laid back and jokes around. You on the other hand are being excessively rude.

Get over my self? What are you talking about? I was joking about the term noob. How is that being full of my self? You are the one being full of pride. You are the one acting like a jerk. Not me. And an FYI: You were the first one to post something off topic.

Furthermore I did not just say "I can't wait", I also asked about how the actor (one of the main characters on "Enterprise") did in the episode.


I was asking about his acting to then comment about this spoiler... but I forgot to add that comment.
So come on, there is no reason for you to act so stuck up and self-righteous. And BTW: This has been annoying me for a long time but I never decided to mention it: It is Atlantians. Not Atlantian. I figured it was a typo the first few times you did it... but now it seems that you simply have forgoten the 'S'.

This post has been edited by Atlantians: Jan 18th 2006, 12:54 AM

look out.... I can sense another long-winded Atlantians argument brewing.....

Anyway guys I havnt seen the episode but by the sounds of it....it reveals that Atlantis has an Alpha site, the Wraith now know that we didnt die in Seige pt 3, Becket's virus was a success and Wraith now has knowledge of our weapons, tactics etc etc...

Just wondering if Michael was made aware of the Asgard helping us out...maybe if the wraith new about that...they may think twice about venturing out past their galaxy when and if they get the means to do so....???

em and atlantis, stop posting useless crap in an episode discussion thread, resolve it over pm or just not say anything
and get back to the discussion

I completely agree. That whole topic is wrong. Moral has never been so low on Stargate. I'm so disappointed. Think back a few episodes when Ronin threatened Cavanaugh (ponytail guy), Weir admitted she had crossed a line there. The writers are not so desensitized that they don't realize questionable moral. It's just they comment it with a few lines, but calling the problem by its name does not solve it. They toss it aside and go on with shitty writing.

The whole "he killed a man" argumentation is so flawed. That guard had a deathwith. What do you do when threatened with a gun and asked to put your weapon down? Right, you spin around 180 degrees and fire your weapon. Duh. Where did he get his training. I suppose he could've thought the untrustworthy Wraith would kill him anyway - my only explanation which adds some logic to his rushed assault.

The reasoning why to move him to the Alpha Site is also beyond me. Fear of him breaking free and signalling the Wraith from Atlantis? Yep, better let him escape (which is way easier on that wooden planet), so he can brief the Wraith in detail!

Michael did also act too human in the beginning of the episode. He seemed to have good manners and be colloquial. That doesn't fit in my profile of a rude Wraith, but I could be wrong.

Other than that, the plot device itself (Wraith struggles with his new identity) wasn't so bad. The idea is good. However, I would have preferred it so much if we had achieved the conversion by aid from some alien civilisation - I can't imagine for my life that our medical knowledge has suddenly advanced so much. Bio-engineer a retro-virus. Right. What's next? The anti-aging pill? No, almost seems too easy in comparison. That whole "Dr Beckett is the best doctor in two galaxies" development leaves a noxious taste.

Very true. I'm studying life sciences and will do medical research when I'm done with my education and let me tell you that DNA manipulation on the scale that Beckett did is at least tens of years in to the future. And that's being optimistic. There have been experimental drugs based on genetic manipulation but the results were not so good; people died. Anyway, it doesn't bother me that much because it's still science fiction. But it would be nice if they didn't stray too far from the realm of reality

There are a lot of plot holes in the episode.

Ted I think from all the amount of CDs they have with the transitioning of him that it must have taken a while. I think it was meant to show the passing of time. So it was quite a while. They could have done some occupational therapy with him as he drew closure to his human form.

I guess the security was the red shirt. I just wish they could make it more realistic. So now, not only do you show him all of Atlantis etc, you move him to your back up escape route and show him that exists. A place that is not more secure but much less secure. Dumbasses!

what does everyone think of the new defence plan and more firepower, any idea what it could be???? more weapons from asgard?? help from genii?

I'm beginning to deny the current "revelation" of Atlantis ever happened. Then again, I also denied the plain cloaking trick in Siege Pt. III could have worked... so I guess that evens each other out! I am mentally already back at that point in the beginning of the season, the predicament is pretty much the same again... if I am to interpret these cirumstances on a symbolic level, they pretty much stand for the quality of the episodes in between: "Not...moved...forward....one....bit"