Serious people... I was just kidding. Get a grip.

Hmm, but then again... with all the "negotiating" going on in the Pegasus galaxy, can't you just see them bargaining with the Wraith ??

Atlantis commander: "Fine. We'll give you these 10 dudes in green cammo for mister Sheppard over there. Deal?"
Wraith: "Throw in a Genii or two and you've got a deal"
Atlantis commander: "No, I won't give you anything less than 10 Genii"
Wraith : "Damn.. they give me heartburn"

Well i think he will get onboard the ship and sets some sort of count down on the nuke (prob 10sec 1min) and he sit down and wish that he was back in atlantis (thinks what he wonts to do and the ship dose it) and the ship beams him back into atlantis.

This post has been edited by 93sdryden: Mar 8th 2005, 5:52 PM

how about shepp's on the wraith ship, nuke set to go off, hes saying his last prayers but the nuke doesnt work. So while he's fighting wraith for his life the Dauedulus show up he sends a signal and beemed off shortly before they blow up the hive ship with some sabbotage by shepp.

well i think the deadulas is the ship from season 7 grace when the prometheus comes up against a big ship that i think is a ancients ship they left there to hide from the wraith and they stick a zpm in it and high tail it to atlantis and save the day again anyone agree

No its not. we see the plans for the Daedalus in one of the final eps of SG1, either 'Threads' or 'Moebius' part 1. You can clearly see them on a screen when Carter is talking about the Daedalus. Its identical to the Prometheus, hence why its called the Prometheus' sister ship.

This post has been edited by Dafmeister: Mar 9th 2005, 10:10 AM

well i still think its a atlantis battle cruiser or sumet like that cos it does look ancient. does anyone have any pictures of the prometheus sister ship cos i cant wait 2 c it.

Regards to Sheppard beaming back into atlantis - was it just me or did Jack in mobeus beam the puddle jumper out of the SGC right into space??? I know this might not help M. Sh. but why don't the atlantis crew do the same thing when taking out puddle jumpers??

dont know if i have the right topic but i wanna know why did the ancients leave the city without any spare zpms? i mean they knew that dr wiers team was coming so why only give a list of gate adress where they might find one in ten thousand years? why not put some in atlantis as an insurance. the ancients were pretty good with building weapons, citys that can fly, but not really good at leaving anything with a full powersource.

This post has been edited by Kronos: Mar 9th 2005, 3:14 PM

Clearly it is not the daedulus but it still might be ancient.

But dont put all you eggs in one basket....it may be the furlings - or even the Oree....(accended beings - in a cloud...lol).

I think furlings is the most likely thing for that ship - but it would be cool if it was ancients.

i think it is anciant cos of the little girl in her head gotta be a assended ancient rite. well the episode all 2gether was all to sh*t dident make sense that much i think they made that episode so they can come back to it in another episode

I think it should not be ruled out that the azguard might intervene. After all they do owe the people of earth some big favours (just a thought). I mean one ship against two wraith hive ships and dozens of wraith darts. Even if they empty the bays there still gonna come up short. So i think there is gonna be something that know one has thought of i.e. They activate the citys weapons that havent been seen yet or the azguard lend a grey hand. [FONT=Times]

The ship can't be ancient, Since if you remember they took all the crew apart from carter, So they would have known that they were their cousins from Earth once they get them on board & not to mention if it was ancient & they build a galaxy class flying city(Atlantis) + stargates & all this technology they couldn't get themselves out of an anomoly but Carter could & they only returned the crew when she offered to help them get out of the anamoly by placing the shield around them. Nevertheless I still have been waiting for them to show up on SG1 but since I'm more into Atlantis then hopefully they'll end up as bad guys on there instead.

Still it has left a cliffhanger & I seriously can't wait until s2 starts back which I would imagine would be around Aug/Sept or Oct at the latest, As the show will air in North America first(summer) then head our way on Sky one, a couple of months later probably half way through second series in North America.

One thing we do know is that Shep ain't gonna blow himself up, So either some divine intervention comes his way, ie Daedalus gets him out but since it's cloaked I doubt this, I don't think the ancient(Leonor Varella) will interfere as she won't be allowed to by the others, Since she's bound to the other planet only(Although you would think some common sense would come into play & they would show here a schematic of Atlantis & get here to give them detailed info about certain unknow parts & systems, Plus probably the most important would be how to manufacture Zpm's & Drones, By telling them I wouldn't imagine it would break any laws with the rest of the ancients.


One thing I'm pretty sure about is

All I can say is...what a muppet. How could they have sent the ZPM through when it was being used to power the Earth gate? "Quick we've gotta disconnect and throw the ZPM through before it closes"...no and as for "put it in a ship which is obviously going to drain it", do you have any idea how much power a ZPM has?! 3 of them powered the shields around the WHOLE of Atlantis for how ever many thousands of years.
It also makes more sense to send a brand new shiny Earth ship with Azgard technology and the most powerful power source know in the Universe (Deadulas) to help them instead of just the power source. They'd have a few days max to work out all the new systems and see which ones (if any) would help them defend themselves while getting constantly attacked by Wraith...not happening.
As for Shepp surviving his suicide run I think:
The Deadulas mite beam him out
The puddle jumper will do something funky
Or the Leonor Varella (ascended woman) could help out.

It'd be cool if the Deadulas turned up with a few Azgard ships, I dunno how that'd work though cause they wouldn't have ZPM's to power their hyperdrives...maybe they get towed or something.

Everyone keeps ,mentioning the Asguard. I had read somewhere that an Asguard will be on the Atlantis team in Season 2, so this might be a strong possibility, or that Asguard might actualy be on board Daedalous, who knows, but I do see some Asguard interaction, if it's saving the city or maybe later on. If you think about it, Atlantis might hold the key for the Asguard to repair there bodies, due to all that cloning, so I would assume they are going to be interested. Who knows, maybe Thor will get his original body back, would be odd.

This is just a crazy thought but don't the jumpers have airtight bulkheads? In stealth mode it would be possible for Sheppard to put the Genii nukes behind the bulkheads, open the back door and have them float into space then fly away without being detected. If they are smart enough to build nukes they are smart enough to put a timer on them. =s

[quote=Sn0w,Mar 11th 2005, 9:41 PM]
All I can say is...what a muppet. How could they have sent the ZPM through when it was being used to power the Earth gate? "Quick we've gotta disconnect and throw the ZPM through before it closes"...no


Muppet, Buddy all I can say is it's obvious if you can see a muppet then you must be looking at yourself in a mirror or a photo of your mother for having such an ignorant #.

Did I not put this. Duh!

"So their primary concern would have been to either try to get a few Naquadah generators hooked up to the power grid & dial Atlantis or at least contact the Asgard for assistance to get them to give them something powerful enough to power it"

We know it doesn't take a Zpm to power up the gate specifically to dial an 8 gate address, As when O'neill had the anceint knowledge he took the power source from a Staff & hooked it up to the power grid, So who's to say a few genny's tied together hooked up to the grid(Since they're currently usinge them to power the systems in Atlantis.) or as I put they could have asked the Asgard to loan them a power source capable of generating the required amount of power.

Then you put

"and as for "put it in a ship which is obviously going to drain it", do you have any idea how much power a ZPM has?! 3 of them powered the shields around the WHOLE of Atlantis for how ever many thousands of years."

Wrong again Mr.Muppet, If you watched the show you would have realised that Dr Weir when she went back in time & was put in suspended animation & had to replace A SINGLE ZPM every 3000 or so years until the alternate SG-1 Atlantis Crew arrived.

So 1 lasted for 3000 years but exactly what did it have to power, A shield to keep the water out & her life support system, Considering there were no major power drains such as weapon attacks on the city or whatever then how do you know what putting a ZPM in a ship and travelling to another Galaxy at full speed, Using something at 100% is going to run it down a lot faster than running it at 2%,/5%, or however little it took to keep it running with minimal systems. So do you kno the outcome of season 2, Didn't think so, Don't even try to dismiss another users posts before considering you should read them through in their entirety first. Then in your little brain's case 10 times first before it can comprehend things.

If you watch 'Letters from Pegasus', you'll see it took 5 naquada generators to open a wormhole to Earth for 1.3 seconds. How many naquada generators would it take to sustain a wormhole long enoght to transport the new marines and all their equipment? Too many im thinking.


Sustaining a shield under water with constant presure acting against it is going to require more power than sustaining a shield against periodical Wraith bombardment.

Yes I already know how much it took that's why I didn't give a specific amount, If they hooked up a bunch of them, Dialled up the Atlantis gate & simply sent the Zpm through with a Datapad(Like when they reached Atlantis O'neill sent a bottle of Champagne or like in series 1 of SG1 when they sent a box of tissues to Jackson.) This way SGC would have known the ZPM would have powered the shield for a lot longer then they could have simply put all the info in the datapad that they were sending a bunch of marines on the Daedalus to Atlantis and that it would have Asgard Hyperdrives and also most likely Asgard Weapns as well. So how long would it take to throw(securely packed first, of course) a box threw,rolled,launched whatever you want to call it through the gate, a few secs at most. So this would have been the easiest way.

Also as far as the SGC knew the chair command console had thousands of drones left like the one in Antartica, as it was not know there were only a few dozen until the Mark II was hooked up in The Siege part 2.


"Sustaining a shield under water with constant presure acting against it is going to require more power than sustaining a shield against periodical Wraith bombardment."


Think of it this way, 2 Wraith Hive ships, Plus there were smaller ships along with them, So like you would see with the Navy Destroyers or Carriers, they come with a whole accompaniment of other vessels to protect them, So they would most like be Battleships or Attack ships at the least + not to mention all the Hundreds/Thousands of Darts would Atlantis withstand 3000 years of constant bombardment from them, I think not, Plus there is always the notion that there is more closely behind as if you watch episode 8, Underground, At the end after they have the Wraith Data Storage device it's said that there were 21 Hive ships in their quadrant of the Pegasus Galaxy alone. So help would only be a small distance away.

So sorry mate, I can't agree with you on that, I personally think Weapons fire will drain the shield a hell of a lot quicker than holding out the ocean.

OK what If we see it from a totally different view. The water gives a great amouth of preasure. This presure is energy. Perhaps it did only cost a large amouth of power to set up the shield but it did not take very mutch power to sustain the shield because of the energy the presure of the water gave the shield. So lighting up atlantis when they came thrue the gate just broke the balance between the power from the ZPM and the power from the "presure of water". this is why atlantis would have been fine if the earth team did not come for another thousend years.

Just my thought. (bit taken from the film "the core")

This post has been edited by dijksma: Mar 13th 2005, 6:56 AM

McKay said the shield would have only lasted another 100 or so years if they had not come through the gate. Watch 'Before I Sleep' and you'll see that the ZPM's power the shield, nothing else.

I watched all the episodes. But it is true it only lasted 100 years!. But where do you see only the zpm powers the shields?

Other thing is. Could it be a ancient ship got lost during battle 10000years ago. With the ancients still on it. They were not able to go to atlantis because it was under water and the shield was up and the stargate did not take any wormholes from the pegasus galaxy. So.. Now they noticed atlantis is on the water. So they returned (only 3 crue members over) and they come and save the day the part 3 Or is this not possible?)

Janis shows Weir the power source of Atlantis, 3 ZPM's powering the whole of the city.


Even if an Ancient battleship was found its not very likely there would be Ancients alive on it after 10,000 years. You saw in 'Beofre I Sleep' that the suspended animation chambers didnt stop the person from aging, it just slowed it down a hell of a lot. So if Ancients were found on a ship, they would be like Weir was when she was found in the chamber. Plus i got the impression that ery world was overrun by the Wraith, so i doubt any Ancients that were on board a ship could hide anywhere.

i think just as shep goe's to blow the wraith ship the debless appers and engages the wraith ships shep thinks i'm out of here go's back to atlantis the debless follows they get the zpm into atlantis the sheild protects atlantis and debless (which is within its sheild perimiter). Then the city with it's zpm powering it detects that there is wraith in the city releses some kind of virus that is only harmfull to the wraith and kills them. As for the ships in orbit maybe atlantis has so sort of other wepon that only the zpm will power like the wepon on the sattelite and destroy the wraith ships. the debless will stay to help protect atlantis.everybodys happy mckay gets some sleep and takes achill pill.
what do you think yey or ney