you know the one thing i don't get is why did the marine core from sgc only bring one mark 2 naquadah generater if they had 2 they could have powerded the chair for longer

Time constraints. The SGC didnt have long to prepare to go to Atlantis so the chances are they only had time to build the Mk 2 Naquada Generator.

Plus, they thought that two would be enough because they thought Atlantis had thousands of drones just like the one in Anarctica, but since there were only 12 drones, well that sucks.

think there is something very powerfull on board of atlantis. This is why: shield needs a lot of power. But not even a small bit of what atlantis uses. Thinking of the shield working another 100 years if the team did not come and thinking the team was only there for 1 hour when the shield started to fail. we can say the 3 zpm only can take care of the city for 10000/100 years * 1 hour = 100 hours > 4.16 days.... Or am I mistaken? what created this enormous power drain? If the 4.16 days are correct then there must be a ZMP recharger or factory. So what can the zpm on the deadulus do? not very mutch... Only rasing the shield but not powering up the city for a long time

why dont they go to the panet on Episode 6 - Childhood's End i know its protected the people but they need it more than them they just take the device and the zpm and put it in the city so when the darts fly at the city the emp field will kill them i know the zpm hsent got that much power left either but will help them when it says in the spoiler they come up against a wall or wraith darts this will kill them all in one go lol this would be big advantage to atlanits

There must be some place in atlantis where the make or store the drons.
they were able to defend atlantis for a long time so they must have more in a store or somthing (like a room in atlantis that makes them).

its extremely interesting reading through all your ideas on what might happen, shame people take it to heart and start callin each other muppets thats just pathetic! anyway, i carnt really say that any1 is wrong in wot they are saying, who no's what will happen, im pritty sure the major escapes, hes 1 of the main characters and they carnt kill him off after the first season! i also believe that earths new ship has a part to play, the idea of the azguard is also reasonable, as some of you hav stated they do ow us a big big favour,
finally im going to say, i may quote sum episode i carnt really remember who it was and wot episode, but it went somthing like this... "Atlantis has alot more to offer" i believe that atlantis has a hidden secret, one that mckay hasnt discovered yet, i hope it anyways
thanks for you time in reading this post
all the best!!

This post has been edited by Philaldred: Mar 15th 2005, 5:50 PM

Well 5 naq generators and 7 pj's allowed a 1.3 second data burst to be sent. Not matter, Data so there's no chance of them sending the zpm through as the wormhole wouldn't last




Maybe it was an ancients on the way to Peagasus when it got trapped. Also i suspect that the ancients had an unusually long life span so it's possible that they were able to survive in the statis pods longer than weir. Take Aiyanna as an example, we have to assume she was in one and then it broke or she was taken out and look how well she was preserved and she thawed naturally.

This post has been edited by Esolece: Mar 15th 2005, 6:02 PM

"Well 5 naq generators and 7 pj's allowed a 1.3 second data burst to be sent. Not matter, Data so there's no chance of them sending the zpm through as the wormhole wouldn't last"

Not necessarily so, All they had was Data to send through the gate, They had nothing physical to put through & there is no reason why if they could establish a wormhole at all, that physical items cannot be sent through only data, Since it's open then anything can go through it in the alloted timeframe in this case just over a second.

So the SGC all they had to do was hook up 10 generators or as many Mark II's as they could then they would have had a few seconds & with someone standing close to the gate as possible, then when the gate locks & the puddle appears all they had to do was chuck it through, Which would have been easy since they don't currently have any major enemies or battles to fight, So they could spare it & have time enough to rebuild an ample supply

Although if they did this then Atlantis would have been protected & not much of a storyline could develop, Since it would have been protected & it would only have been a matter of time before it failed, By that time even if the Daedalus had come without the ZPM powering it's engines, It's more than likely there would be many more Hive ships having arrived anyway & one ship against all those would have been no match.

We do know however Shep won't blow the nuke with him on board as he is an essential character to the show. However the 2 hive ships & the other ships that come in the battlegroup which I presume are some kind of Battleships + the thousands of Darts have 2 be taken out somehow.

I don't think the Daedalus will arrive on the very first show, I think it would be far better to the plot to have the Wraith in control of Atlantis for an episode or 2 rather than having the Daedalus show up right at the very beginning of the Siege Part III & destroy everything.

I do think this will be the first Stargate show with it's own dedicated ship for regular use unlike SG-1 which hardly had Prometheus at all. Be that perhaps the Daedalus comes eventually to their rescue & gets destroyed in the process could be then the writers could make them discover coordinates to a known Ancient planet with an Ancient Battleship that is battle damaged & they struggle to repair it in time for the next armada of Wraith Ships.

My main opinion is since we know the Daedalus has Asgard Hyperdrives & it must also have other Asgard Tech like Beam/Weapon & shield technology, So by all logic the Daedalus must have at least 1 Asgard on board either as a crew member or simply as an observer in case any of the systems went down or got damaged since we would not know enough about Asgard technology to likely fix any problems encountered. So at some point I think Asgard will put people on Atlantis in season 2, since it's the main place of the Ancients & perhaps the key to saving the Asgard race from extinction.

james u put up some good information. but if the daedulus were destroyed wouldnt that kinded suck since its a brand new ship.

just cause the atlantis team get one zpm they can find out that it needs more then one to do any thing at all.

another thing just cause there is alot of asguard tech. dont mean there is any asguard on board. they sent asguard ships in stead, but i do doubt it. it is possible to have a asguard on though

Joseph Malozzi (executive producer) has already hinted that there will be an asgard team member in season 2.

Most likely will come on daedalus to helop with maintenance and with cloning reasearch.

Good point JamesyBHOY!

Dont worry he is making it up. I go with the theory that shepard gets beamed out just b4 it detonates then the dedolus kicks the other hive ships ass. Though it does seem a bit obvious and i would like to see some more tricks from the puddle jumpers or from atlantis. I mean the ancients were supoosed to be more advanced than the wraith so when dont they have sheilds and transporters or energy weapons instead of a limited number of drones.
Another flaw i have spotted in atlantis (guess it does make it more interesting but..) in sg-1 they always carry zat guns around, and with the recent defeat of most goa'uld you would think they could get as many as they wanted. Now whey the hell didnt they take any zats to atlantis. Then the rock hard wriaith could be killed with two shots!!!! Hmm no more man eating blue guys with deep voices hurray lets all have a picnic.

i was just about to post that about the zats it has really confused me i think they did that beacuse it would be to easy then to kill the wraith its always good when u c a nice shoot out now and then lol

oh yeah new sig look lol
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Sending physical items through the gate would take more power then sending raw data. Reason, physical items have to be converted to energy. Raw data can be sent as energy to start.

Another thing people are forgetting, the iris. If they dial up home then just chuck the data pad or what ever through its just going to hit the iris.


So if you are going to send a data pad, you're going to need at least 25 to 30 seconds.

Dial the gate get a connection
send IDC code (by all accounts it takes about 3 seconds to type this in)
code recieved and varified, order to open iris is given (now 15 seconds in) (longer travle time for the IDC code)
iris opens and ok message is sent back that it is open, (now 22 or so seconds in)
Person takes package and tosses it through, package pops out other end
gate closes. All that is about 25 seconds give or take.

In the Seige Part 2, it actually shows them getting the IDC while the event horizon is still forming so that was a bad bid of editing. Also when Atlantis first started it showed them taking about 7 to 10 seconds through space.

So they need the initial burst of energy to open the gate and still quite a bit to sustain it.


It would simpley be better and safer to take all that time and send all the data they can through electronicly and have the first message right off the bat say "We're out of squids send as many as you can when you can so we can refill atlantis."





As to what I think will happen in the season starter. Daedulus gets in sensor range sees the 2 ships left, gets a X302 (maybe they have something newer or maybe they beam it to them) ready. Drops out of hyper space near the planet, disconnects the ZPM, tosses it in the X302 and it heads down to atlantis. All the while of course talking to Atlantis.

The Daedulus then heads off towards the Wraith ships, sheppard sees the Daedulus, turns around and runs off to join them. There is a big fight, Daedulus is partly crippled but takes out one of the ships.

They pop in the ZPM, powers up all of atlantis, find out it only has a little power left in it (after all it was sitting in the desert for 5000 or so years and no idea how much power was left in it to start with and then powering a stargate to another galaxy and hyper space engines to another galaxy) But its enough to power up the whole city and pride them with a few minutes of shields if needed.

They use beam a nuke onto the renaming ship and BOOM. Daedulus limps back to the planet, but its so badly damaged that it can't hold orbit and don't want to chance it being dropped into the wraiths hands so they beam everyone off and crash it into the ocean. Maybe in a shallow area or maybe they land it on the ground or right on atlantis (how is the thing floating anyways).

Since they now have a ZPM they figure they can chance using it once to connect to earth, offer anyone that wants to go back to earth (minus absolutly needed personal) a way back along with injured, get everything ready and send everyone through. Maybe this don't happen in the first episode but maybe 2 or 3 episodes down the road.


This is all just a guess, it could happen exactly like this, or none of it could happen at all.

I obvoisly missed something while I was studying.... When did the SGC get another ship? And why name it Dedelus?

That aside, I like your plan for the episode, it sounds fun.

"Are there any other cities like Atlantis that were built by the Ancients? "For the answer to that one, check out Season Two of Atlantis."
(SG-1 executive producer Joseph Mallozzi, in a message at GateWorld Forum)
and
"An Asgard team would be too expensive. But an Asgard as a possible team member or recurring character? Well, check out Atlantis Season Two." (Co-executive producer Joseph Mallozzi, in an interview with Stargate-Project.com)

This Malozzi dude loves the spoilers doesn't he.

The Daedelus was introduced to us in episode Moebius Pt.1 when Carter said that it's Prometheus's sister ship - same design, but different specs.

Why they named it Daedelus was I don't know the answer to that

an asguard team member. lets hope is is not on sheps team can you imagin a asguard with a p90

Just back tracking!

If the SGC had managed to opened a gate to Atlantis, even for a few seconds, wouldnt Atlantis have powered up the Gate's shield. So the SGC would have sent the ZPM through and it promtely hit the shield and get destroyed!!! In Letters from Pegasus, as soon as Atlantis opend the gate to the SGC, they shut the Iris, recieve the IDC and the Data transfer and then the gate shuts down!

Daedalus was the father of Icarus. He made wings for his son to fly with, but his son flew too close to the Sun, his wings burnt and he fell to his death. It's all Greek mythology influenced!

This post has been edited by Spud: Mar 20th 2005, 5:52 PM

Knowing the story behind Daedalus name only makes me think that it will indeed be destroyed or at least crash into the ocean on Atlantis but still be salvagable. I also agree with the opions that the Asguard will show up somehow in the episode. As to what will happen to the Major i think that the Wraith might actually be able to see the ship, but are just pretending they dont so that he will steer the puddlejumper close enough to the hive ships to be captured......why, prehaps to begin interogating Shepperard on Earth address, iris codes and so forth so that they can very quickly begin envading Earth once Atlnatis is totally taken, or who knows just a thought.
Also i think it would be fricken hilarous if for some bizarre reason an fleet of go'uld ships arrive, although i dont seriously think it would happen, and blows the wraith hive ships out of the sky only to take Atlantis themselves.
Dr. Weir: "The threat of the wraith is over. Thanks to the intervention of the Go'uld"
Mckay:"Oh thank God."
Go'uld:"Exactly"
Mckay:"Yeah, what?.....Wait a minute their not here to shake our hands"
Like i said above i seriously dont think it would happen, just a stupid thought

I have been giving this serious consideration and i think that the reason the third zpm didn't last another hundred yrs is because the Earth zpm ran out as the atlantis team was coming through, the atlantis DHD took power from the zpm and used it to keep the gate open (this was suggested in 48 hours on sg1), but the zpm on atlantis was nearly depleted in the process and ran out after the shield ran for a few more hours. Thus the ZPM on daedalus should last a while, hopefully.

I think what would be cool to even the odds in Atlantis's favor is when the Dadelus arrives with the ZPM it also has a couple of friends tagging along (Asgard).