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post Jul 17th 2005, 10:58 AM
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y couldnt they beam nukes on all of them all at once?


Don't think even Thor's ship could do that. Most likely the best they can do would be to transport a whole bunch of stuff at the same time to the same location. For multiple locations then they will probably need the same amount of transporters.

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But hey, the goa'uld did it to the Tollans (marked and hit everything at once, except the one Ion Cannon that was hidden from them), so I would think the Asgard could have figured it out. That's almost a nit pick.


The Goa'uld mapped out the targets then attacked them at the same time. I'm sure Daedalus could have done similar & targeted a few with the Mark 8's. Anubis was the only one that was able to ever get a hold of Asgard tech. So attacking multiple targets with weapons & beaming to multiple locations can't really be compared together.

Parts of the ep were good, Others were pretty average.

Not a single 302, That sucked Donkey Balls.

Not a single energy weapon, Another Ball Sucker. I know they couldn't give them full Asgard weapons. That would have made things far too easy. The least that they could have done though, was to outfit it even with some from an Al'kesh. This way they could have been good against Cruisers but nothing on Hive ships.

They could have also beamed a few of the Wraith suckers into space or at least the ocean.
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post Jul 17th 2005, 6:35 PM
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rail guns do bullsh*t all...... they can only take out fighters.....

they neva thought of beaming nukes next to the wraith ships??

or using their mach 8 cruise missiles, and beaming them right outside the carier bays???
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post Jul 18th 2005, 1:10 PM
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rail guns do bullsh*t all...... they can only take out fighters.....

they neva thought of beaming nukes next to the wraith ships??

or using their mach 8 cruise missiles, and beaming them right outside the carier bays???


I doubt that they could do anything to a Hive ship, Perhaps Cruisers might take some damage. However the Rail Guns aren't really meant for anything other than taking out things like Gliders/Darts etc in mass.

I don't think they would have bothered about beaming outside when they could just as easily drop them smack bang inside the target. When it was countered their ability to beam was stopped completely by the Wraith countermeasures. So they couldn't have changed the target location anyway. Even if they had went the hull way, It would have still been countered anyway.

Not sure about the Mark 8's, I personally think that's what they were beaming inside the ships. On the display panel it clearly says Warhead when Novak changes the detonation time to 5 secs. Of course they could be regular Nukes, but wouldn't see why Daedalus would have an armoury full of them. Espeically since the failsafe was built in the Asgard systems to prevent the beaming tech from being used as a weapon. So that's why I think it was the MK 8's that was used, Rather than launching them & detonate on impact, they were simply set on a timer & beamed inside the ship.
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post Jul 18th 2005, 1:28 PM
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QUOTE(JamesyBHOY @ Jul 18th 2005, 2:10 PM)

I don't think they would have bothered about beaming outside when they could just as easily drop them smack bang inside the target. When it was countered their ability to beam was stopped completely by the Wraith countermeasures. So they couldn't have changed the target location anyway. Even if they had went the hull way, It would have still been countered anyway.

Not sure about the Mark 8's, I personally think that's what they were beaming inside the ships. On the display panel it clearly says Warhead when Novak changes the detonation time to 5 secs. Of course they could be regular Nukes, but wouldn't see why Daedalus would have an armoury full of them. Espeically since the failsafe was built in the Asgard systems to prevent the beaming tech from being used as a weapon. So that's why I think it was the MK 8's that was used, Rather than launching them & detonate on impact, they were simply set on a timer & beamed inside the ship.
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I don't think that the Daedalus was prevented from beaming all together, I believe they just couldn't beam inside the Wraith ships. Trying to beam a nuke right to the immediate side of a Wraith ship would have been worth a try, they were pretty big bombs after all!

And they were probably warheads for the missiles they were sending, but I believe the beaming tech was being used as a weapon, to the annoyance of the Asgard controlling the tech (but I think he saw it as an acceptable compromise)
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post Jul 19th 2005, 6:35 AM
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they needed to get subtitled translations for what hermy was saying.. biggrin.gif
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post Jul 19th 2005, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(Lagger @ Jul 19th 2005, 6:35 AM)
they needed to get subtitled translations for what hermy was saying.. biggrin.gif
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Probably not allowed to air that on US television... blink.gif
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post Jul 19th 2005, 11:48 AM
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Hermy said "The enemy has engaged countermeasures that are preventing our ability to transport" Novak asks him is there any way to counter it & he replies None. So it really can be taken both ways depending on what his definition of "our ability to transport" is. Meaning he couldn't get a target lock inside the hive ships, If this was the case then I believe that he would have tried beaming it right outside one of the launch bays & detonating it. I'm more inclined to believe that they stopped it from beaming anywhere near their ships completely. I'm not sure if it would have blocked their beams in that if they were about to get destroyed & needed to evacuate down to a planet etc. Simply what I was meaning was, their complete ability to beam anywhere near inside or outside the enemy ships.

The countermeasures to me, was the first stages of the virus that will be seen in 'Intruder.'

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they needed to get subtitled translations for what hermy was saying


Someone already figured out that he wasn't actually speaking in Asgard, It's actually English, If you reverse Dub the Audio it translates as:

"When will these humans learn that there are consequences to action!"
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post Jul 19th 2005, 11:48 AM
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QUOTE(ancient01 @ Jul 19th 2005, 12:44 PM)
Probably not allowed to air that on US television...  blink.gif
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There's still hopes for the translation to come out on the DVDs laugh.gif

Chances are that there will be a behind the scenes comment on THAT scene.
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post Jul 19th 2005, 12:01 PM
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QUOTE(JamesyBHOY @ Jul 19th 2005, 12:48 PM)
Someone already figured out that he wasn't actually speaking in Asgard, It's actually English, If you reverse Dub the Audio it translates as:

"When will these humans learn that there are consequences to action!"
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Are you serious Jamesy?? That is so cool!!
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post Jul 19th 2005, 6:15 PM
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Yes, totally true!

Either left clip on the link below to listen, or if your having trouble then Right click & choose "Save Target As."

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post Jul 19th 2005, 6:32 PM
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wow!

and that was a backwards recording of what he said?

very ingenious of TPTB, wonder if the'll keep that up for the rest of the series.

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Damn that was good. I wonder who decided to play it backwards to see if it meant anything.
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Yeah, Wonder why they were doing that. Maybe he was trying to get in contact with ole nick downstairs or invoke some evil spirits.

Before when they have spoken in their own language, that had also been tested but turned out to be nothing more gibberish. So either they have changed it to make it easier for people to get in on the Asgard language or it was nothing more than a simple mistake, that slipped through the net without being rectified.
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Dang! I couldn't get it, but that is still so cool! bow.gif See - I told you that you were our connection!
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well now we no how all the aliens speak.. they speak backwards...

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Haven't any of you done voice recordings with Windows 3.1's Audio Recorder, and inverted them? There was always something "alien" about it. Come to think of it I should have guessed, had I really listened to the Asgard's voices.
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post Jul 25th 2005, 6:56 AM
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That's not entirely true, If you watch other Asgard Speaking eps in past seasons. Then Reversing the audio makes no difference in that it still translates as gibberish. This is the first one & probably when they get around to shotting for the second half of the season, TPTB will probably chop & change it as it was figured out so quickly.
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QUOTE(JamesyBHOY @ Jul 25th 2005, 12:56 PM)
That's not entirely true, If you watch other Asgard Speaking eps in past seasons. Then Reversing the audio makes no difference in that it still translates as gibberish. This is the first one & probably when they get around to shotting for the second half of the season, TPTB will probably chop & change it as it was figured out so quickly.
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It was cool when I heard the reverse of what Hermoid said, "When will humans learn there consequences to their actions" or something like that. But I suspect the post-editor couldn't be bothered to "chop and change" that day.
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I can really only think of two realistic outcomes.

1. They were too busy getting everything ready that they overlooked this part. So if this was what has happened, then they will now be aware of it & can't change anything until they re-start their shooting of the 2nd half of the season.

2. It was simply a case of slang words. Every region of every country on Earth have their own Regional Dialects. This being words/phrases/pronunciation that varies from person/place to person/place etc. It could be possible that this was simply a case of Asgard slang. He was mumbling to himself so could have let his normal guard down as there wasn't any other Asgard around to keep him on his toes. So he spoke that way or speaks that way when there's no other Asgard around. This could simply be a deliberate insight into their civilization.
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just out of curiosity what made you reverse dub his speach?

i hope TPTB carry on with this
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post Sep 30th 2005, 4:28 PM
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Those in the US and Canada have already seen it, so that isnt anything new to viewers from there, but other countries havent aired it yet. You'll find more about it in the episode discussion thread.
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post Jan 29th 2006, 4:21 PM
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QUOTE(Evo @ Mar 5th 2005, 11:26 AM) *

That's a very nice spoiler there, but I got some doubts about that. Chaya already admitted that they won't help them with the Wraith. Not that I don't want to have her back or anything, I would like that, but I don't see it happening. But yeah, I do like the made-up spoiler, it was interesting and it gave me an idea of what it would be



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Chaya can't help them the ascended ancients aren't allowed if she does she will most likely descend like Daniel did in sg1. The ancients have agreed not to help when they ascend and i don't think she will.
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