All that was said regarding the Jumpers, was that McKay was going to tie in Jumper 4's engines into the power grid, then they should be able to do a trial run with a simulated connection.

This could be interpreted 2 ways, they used the Jumpers engines solely to do the test or they needed a single Jumper's engines to give the Naq genny's the little power boost that they needed to establish the wormhole.

Either way, Atlantis was limited in it's supply of MKI genny's whereas the SGC is not.



A MKII could fire a few dozen Drones (All in the planets atmosphere) before going down, yet a ZPM could launch thousands upon thousands (Nearly all into orbit) of them taking out over 30 of Anubis' ships. Because a MKII is 6 times more powerful than a MKI, it still pales in comparrison to what a ZPM can output. Could you see a few MKII's being used to boost Daedalus's engines from around a couple of weeks to 4 days. Then disconnect them to raise the shield fully, Most likely also power some sort of other weapons, be that new Drones, Beam Weapon, Cannon or whatever. Not to mention power a cloak that will encompass the whole city. Can't see a MKII being able to do a 100/1000th of that. Fact is a ZPM is most likely the most powerful power source in the universe (that we currently know of.) A few MKII's will be able to power almost anything that the SGC needs of it, with the exception of Atlantis shields/8 Chevron Lock for maintained period of time, ships etc, etc. It however pales in comparison to a ZPM. They aren't in the same league.



You forget, Shep had the plan with the Nukes long before the darts first attacked. So it was pre-meditated. Not to mention Everett brought 4 Pilots through with him, Combine that with Shepo & the crop that Atlantis already had, then they could have done some good damage to the Wraith fleet, especially with a coordinated attack.



Simple fact is, they knew how effective that they were against Anubis' fleet. Therefore it would have been worth the risk to take on the fleet before they approached Atlantis in the first place. In' Rising' a jumper fired 7 shots & still looked to have more again. Therefore all fired together could have had another major rethink on the Wraith's part, considering what happened with the weapons sat. Shep's plan was to ram the Jumper in stealth mode down their throats. So 5/10 Fully armed PJ's, Fly in stealth, right up their ass, Uncloak couple hundred feet from them, Fire a volley of shots, then recloak. All the Jumpers doing this at the same time on the same target would have had a devastating effect on the particular target.



That won't be entirely true, They already had use of the deep space sensors, They detected the 'Dart' in 'The Brotherhood' approaching for days before it reached the city. Then it also detected the Hive ships for over 2 weeks before they arrived. So they won't get anything extra out of the sensors that they currently don't get knoe. Around half way through the season Daedalus will have already been making regular transports between Atlantis & Earth. So don't think they can rely on Daedalus to be ready. Once they have the ZPM in anyway it won't make any difference as the Wraith can't penetrate the city's shields.




Most likely they didn't know how to. JM responded to a question that I asked about the Drones, by telling me that more would be revealed about them in the second half of S2. So I'm sure it'll go into more thorough details about them, enabling us all to find out answers to questions like this.



Three point five microseconds, although it's adviseable to treat everything in this episode with caution. It was obviously the energy beings that supplied the power to the gate. So all this drawing power from incoming wormholes was solely based on McKay's readings. At the end of his theory he talks about it drawing power from the atmosphere. Obviously because of the energy beings, So doubt it could be replicated by another SG on another planet. Although it's impossible to judge this, many people have different theories & speculations but won't be known until they try & duplicate it somehow. Possibly this is how Weir & Caldwell could return to Atlantis from the SGC so quickly.



When the original poster posted that in March, it wasn't yet known if Daedalus would survive or not. PS: Cool Spoiler

Guys u all rules, thanks for all INFO of Siege part 3, Im gone dye watching it

First off reguarding the sending nergy weapons though the stargate with mark generators, energy isent just energy, the energy proberly has to be converted with frequancy, powerlevel etc, which maby would take more power to do then dematerialce /convert a human body to the energy. i think..

2nd
well we got promuthious, greek legende/tradagy (think he was the one who brought fire to earth, cant remember)
we got dalious

Daedalus got fried to a crisp because he fly to close to the sun

maby he next one would be helious (the god of the sun), id would add up.. the script writers sure like greek and fire :-) like theres one eispode comming up called duex ex mashina = the god mashine.

btw check this out
http://www.sg1archive.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=11082 the spolier in the end for the 1st page. theres a person in the backgroud of the pictures you mite know?

This post has been edited by warlord: Jun 27th 2005, 4:08 PM

Has anyone considered the possibility that when the ZPM is inserted that it will use a small amount of power to create more drones, when i say small im comparing it to an earth made MKII, they must not of had the power capabilities to do.

it seems sensible as the asguard have shown the ability to do this when they created the replicator weapon..
The few dozen that were in the city may of been just a "buffer" supply.

Also from then lastest picture someone posted with the asghard in the background the new ship seem quite different to the prometheus.

Slurm....

I just watched that part of the episode, and it what was said was that McKay and Zalenka were going to tie in Jumper 4's engines in order to do "a low power dry run". They also said earlier in the episode that they were going to "tie together all of our power generating capabilities". Also: If it was as easy as hooking up a few MKI generators, I'm sure the SGC with their (most likely) abundant supply would hook more than a few up to send a similar burst of data through to Atlantis. That sort of agree's with the fact they hooked up all of the PJ's.



Atlantis only had a few dozen Drones LEFT. The MKII allowed Shep. to fire all of them. We do not know if it would require any more energy to send the drones into orbit, since we haven't been told it does, we should assume it doesn't, or if it does it is a neglegible amount of extra energy. We also are unsure as to whether the MKII would be able to fire thousands into orbit, it most likely would be able to, if Atlantis had that number of drones left, yet they didn't. They only had a few dozen left, and the MKII fired all of them.

Also, they were used to "keep them at bay" (wraith) as Dr Weir put it. This was said during The Siege Part 2.

I agree with you that the MKII will be able to power almost anything the SGC needs of it. (That would exclude Atlantis activities, since Atlantis isn't on Earth.) Also, the ships are powered by Naquadah generators, and so the MKII would be able to produce MORE power (given the same size) except for a shorter period of time. The exception to this is the Prometheus hyperdrive, which is powered by Naquadria. (The other systems are powered by Naquadah generators).

Please note, I NEVER SAID THE MKII WOULD REDUCE THE NEED FOR A ZPM ON ATLANTIS.



Sheppard didn't know how effective they were against Anubis. He wasn't even aware of the Stargate back when that occured.



I said continue the use, I said "continue" because I already know that they use them. What I was hitting at was that with the ZPM they can use the shields, and continue to use the sensors so that they can pick up when the next Wraith fleet was coming, and alert the Daedalus. That would give Daedalus plenty of time to equip up, and fight the Wraith (This is possible because of the ZPM which would power the shields and keep Atlantis safe.) I wasn't meaning that the Daedalus would be flying around Atlantis all the time, that is why I mentioned the sensors; so they could pick the Wraith fleets up weeks before they arrived at atlantis, allowing Daedalus to set a course to Atlantis.

Yes, I know what they said, That was why I put it up to correct you, after you said ALL the Jumpers in your previous post that I was responding to. The Low Power dry run was a TEST. You have no proof whatsoever that the Jumpers engines were used in the actual wormhole connection at all. All of Our power generating capabilities. Again Notice the word OUR, Why w. There was no mention off All the Jumpers (between 10 to 15) being used. Jumpers that have been lying around for over 10,000 years. Can fire multiple Drones, Fly across the galaxy, Cloak etc, etc. Then they are all tied together & can only produce a power output that will allow a connection of just over 1 sec. Right, I'll believe that when me sh*t turns purple! If it was as easy as you make out then why not tie in all the Jumpers to the power grid & use their internal power supplies to run the shield from the off. Even in 'Eye/Storm' they could have been used to help save the city, by powering the shield for a few secs. Why would the SGC have done the same, McKay figured it out. Then he said Carter would be the one that would be able to decipher the message.

McKAY: Because it probably won't work, and there's a very good chance it could overload our Naquadah generators in the process.

SHEPPARD: Well, then, we can't take the risk! No power, we won't have a chance in hell!

So how can that sort of agree with the fact that they hooked up over 10 Puddle Jumpers to make the connection. Only Jumper 4 was mentioned....Not All of them! Why worry about the Naq genny's overloading & No Power, Surely if it was as easy as you say, then the Jumpers could have easily powered all the systems that the genny's were currently tasked to.

As for the MKI genny thing,

This is simply all another case of, the ATA gene syndrome. Why Beckett can give the gene to seemingly everyone, Yet Nobody on SG-1 have it & why the SGC aren't issuing it to all their personnel like Weir has given Beckett the authority to do in Atlantis. Why is Prometheus supposed to have Asgard weapons, yet they have never been seen in action. Why did they not take more power generators with them, Why did they not try & make some sort of contact with the Ancients before going through the gate. They could have tried to get a response via the Malp. It's all simply the way it is. Your're reading too much into explanations & answers.



Where exactky did I say that it didn't have a few dozen left, Fact is, I didn't, You are tryingto incinuate something that wasn't even there in the first place. I said after it fired them all it went down. Big, Big Difference! Why would it not require more energy to send Drones into orbit, You send something further away = it requires more energy/power. If you don't already know that, then there is nothing I can do to help you out on this!



Why would he not have been made aware of it? Once he had clearance for the whole SG program, You think O'Neill said, Fly me out to Antartica old buddy & nip in for a little tea while I discuss some business, but close your ears & eyes as your not supposed to know anything at all that is going on. The fact is he had clearance for the Ancient Outpost, So obviously had o be in the know. I'm sure he would have been brought up to speed on the whole Antartican Outpost (Since he was in it & also had a Drone targeted upon his chopper, that he was piloting at the time.) After he came in, Don't you think he might possibly have actually enquired about the Alien weapons that almost killed him or spoke with other people. You are a little naive on these things, aren't you!



If you think referring to Deep Space Sensors & using the shield is hitting around the same thing, then:



Why? You must seem to think Daedalus is some kind of super machine. Hate to spoil it for you, but It's not. It's a bigger version of Prometheus that uses actual Asgard weapons instead of Prometheus' Asgard Designed. It's more advanced & formidable than Prometheus but you think Ancient Warships couldn't deal with the Wraith fleet in numbers. Ancients were outnumbered, Yet you expect Daedalus to fly to another galaxy under it's own power (weeks away) & take out this next fleet of Wraith ships that has already arrivved & have been pounding away on the city's shields without much success. Can't quite see that being the case now! Otherwise the whole point of the Ancients being outnumbered & being unable to see an end of the war, Yet Daedalus all by itself, Takes them out fleet by fleet. Not going to happen.



Why mention the sensors at all then, They already have the ability to power them just now, Besides that's not always the case now, is it! In 'The Siege 1 & 2' they already knew what was coming in advanced. How come in TS3 a bigger fleet arrives in this episode, Yet they never managed to pick anything up until the last minute, when the newer bigger, previously unknown fleet was almost upon them. Which is probably when they use the cloak thanks to the ZPM to stealth the city out from the Wraith's view & sensors.

the drones probably could go into the atmosphere, but whats the point, when ur getting attacked by darts... he probably wanted to take out the darts first.

im not sure if it takes more power to go in the atmosphere, but i suppose it would take more power to fire more squids, so the MKII would probably not be able to control a large number of squids.



i have to agree with that also. Why would they waste one of their most valuable resources, the jumpers. Its basically all they got against the wraith so far.

i agree with most points stated that the mkII wouldnt reduce the need for a ZPM, but with MKII's it may be easier to power more parts of the city for exploration.

The Drones probably could make it into the orbit with the MKII before it went down, Simply because there was very few & it was most likely powerful enough to send that quantity into orbit.

To send anything into orbit or any distance, Takes more power energy.



Yep! That's correct, Use the MKI & MKII's to power all the day to day systems & then use the ZPM to solely power the shield/cloak + weapons systems etc.

u no how they needed to get the genii to donate them that nuke?

wots wrong with overloading the MK1 and dropping it ontopp of the wraith ship??

and if its cause they only have a finite number of them, they have already wasted quite a few, one through the stargate to get rid of that power sucking thing, one to destroy the microbes...

How many MK1's do they have... Honestly if they had that many, y not connect evry single damn one of them to get more power. I swear they only use 5 at a time.

also, the self-destruct sequence.. wot sort of explosives they using there? if its a nuke... y not grab that???

This post has been edited by Lagger: Jul 1st 2005, 6:35 AM

I made a nitpick about that awhile ago.

nope... tat's his son

warlord you ever heard of a spell checker?

More plot info from Atlantis premiere

Beware of spoilers below!!!!

"As Lt. Aiden Ford (Rainbow Sun Francks) recovers from his near-fatal encounter with a Wraith, the team races against time to save the city from an impending Wraith assault.

"Rescued from a near-fatal encounter with the Wraith, Lt. Ford receives medical care at the Atlantis base. However, his abnormally quick recovery leads Dr. Beckett (Paul McGillion) to worry that the Wraith who attacked Ford may have injected him with a harmful enzyme, causing long-term and unpredictable damage.

"Meanwhile, as the Wraith's siege of Atlantis rages on, Sheppard (Joe Flanigan) finds himself surrounded by the enemy. He is rescued by the timely arrival of Colonel Steven Caldwell (Mitch Pileggi), commander of the Daedalus. Launched from Earth and sent in to assist the Atlantis team during battle, the Daedalus helps to defeat the Wraith's first wave assault on the city.

"Their relief is short-lived, however. The team soon learns that the Wraith are planning the next wave of their onslaught -- an entire fleet is about to descend on the city. With a little over a day before the assault, Dr. Weir (Torri Higginson) realizes that the Daedalus will not be enough to fight the Wraith's forces. McKay (David Hewlett) devises a drastic plan -- but there may not be enough time to perfect the complicated technology his plan requires before the Wraith arrive."

Original Article here

Well I see one thing Stargate master. That it is Ford that is the Wraith person in the other episode "Intruder". He healed to rapidly and it must be for some reason. They need him. They need him to do something for him. He gets up on the Deadilus and infects the computer with some of his blood or a nanobot. Something that causes the comuters to be re-written.



This post has been edited by Auntie Em!: Jul 7th 2005, 1:40 AM

I soooooo cant wait for the Daedalus to take out the "first wave".

I hope evrybody realises that the "first wave" is actually 2 remaining Hive Ships and 9 Wraith cruisers. Plus countless darts.

The Daedalus must be the coolest ship ever!!!!!

How many Hives do you suspect are in this "fleet" or the "second wave".
I reckon 60 Hive Ships.......180 cruisers......several thousand darts.

Lolz... how much did they mention earlier when they first encounter teh gennii, and steal that info off the wraith?? wasnt it like 60 odd in the galaxy?..

btw if the spoiler says that the Daedalus takes out all those ships... it must be bloody souped up from teh Prometheus, which does bull sh*t all.......

It was 60 ships...but they had no reason to make any more...now they do. The Wraith would of taken over ancient factories and industrial planets in the war....so they could construct the Hives for the war....so all they would have to do now is fire up those factories and presto! Shitloads of ships for all!!!!

OK folks, i have a few things i want to throw out.

I don't know who watched SciFi's preview of Atlantis, SG-1 and Galactica but there are a few important things worth throwing out.

1. Shep doesn't die. How do i know this? He is in epsisodes post the Siege. Also you see him standing on the bridge of the Daedulus (sorry about spelling). Odds are, i bet you it has something to do with an Asgard beam only because you see him say
"Two arms, ten fingers, i will check the rest later." <-- this could vary well mean the nuke does go off and that he does escape SOMEHOW by the skin of his teeth.

WHO REALLY CARES, an awesome character will still be around. Leave this one too the show.

2. Dadelus is using the ZPM to augment its Asgard designed engines. (See the siege part 2, Colonol Everett) Carter specifically says in Moebius that the ship is the sister to Promethius, yet was designed from the ground up with asgard tech in mind. More than likely humans can fix daedlus and no asgard are needed. Also daedlus looks quite a bit different from Promethius from the quick view i got during Scifi inside: Scifi Friday. Remember the Titantic. There can be sister ships, similar designs but the features and the overall appearence can be majorily different. (Titanic, Britannic, and Olympic if my memory of history serves me well) Also Daedelus doesn't get blown to hell because in Scifi Inside: Scifi Friday, you see Daedulus landing.

3. The ZPM, "Zed PM", Glow Worm of the Gods < my own term btw will be used to power Atlantis's shields, and open up new doors in Atlantis because several times have i heard and read, the team is going to explore Atlantis even more this year. Basically, the ZPM is around for a while.... it isn't going to drain, die, get blown up.
****spoiler*****
Rodney gets to go get the ZPM from the Daedelus in a puddle jumper.

4. Has anyone forget about how O'neil origonally got ahold of the Asgard. There was that little device with liquified Naqadua that i bet you the ancients have in their database.
a. SGC already knows how to use it, and make it work.
b. They dialed Asgard homeworld with it..... means it can lock the 8th Chevron and
hold a sustainable worm hole.
c. It really would make sense, its a convient way for Atlantis and the SGC to
communicate, which according to the producers is suppost to occur this year.
"They don't want a repeat of ST:Voyager kids."


A big question, WHERE DID EVERYONE GET ATLANTIS IS GETTING AS ASGARD?
I may not post a bunch but i do read alot and i have heard nothing confirmed, rumoured, talked about, and speculated about on any board but this one. I mean come on people. I love the Asgard, but as Thor put it best, "Othala is out last hope, it must survive" The Asgard got a lot of rebuilding left to do, and I highly doubt the discussion about Asgard on Atlantis is warranted. Also in the real world, odds are the Asgard are not going to show up in Atlantis because the producers have long complained about the cost of the Asgard teams.

Also let me say unless someone has evidence to the contrary, SG1 was not supposted to carry over to Atlantis because of MAJOR licensing issues. Remember why RDA and Micheal Shanks were in the premiere, only because of the need to kick start Atlantis. So don't get your hopes up on too much carry over from SG1.

************I really stress watching Scifi Inside: Scifi Friday ******************

Show has a wealth of info not only about SG1, Battlestar, but a lot about atlantis with a damned intersting pictures the very last scene...........................
A NUCLEAR EXPLOSION OVER ATLANTIS!

If i am wrong, i am wrong, but i agree with some previous posts, the spoilers and spec was getting pretty darn stupid. Most of my spoilers are based upon facts from the show, and information obtained from Scifi Inside: Scifi Friday. ( I do have this recorded but i can not distrubute it do to copyright infringment)


Any who, i am out, this 30 hour of work stuff in two days has me beat. Americand will know what happens in exactly in 67.5 hours (its 11:30 CDT).

Screenshots my firend...screenshots!

Go have a look at Gateworld.net's picture galleries for the second episode in Atlantis season 2 "Intruder".

Cant wait for Friday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

want more proof...

there was those pics with hermoid or wateva his name is sitting in teh daedeulous...

and OH my... looks like



This post has been edited by Lagger: Jul 13th 2005, 2:29 AM

Thats a pic from when they destroyed the replicator ship.

Here is a little composition



I can see Atlantis under that nuclear fireball in the last pic.

i was just simulating what probably would have happened...

As in Joking... oh well....

its nice to dream...

and wow... thats one huge nuke.... yeah, u cant just amek atlantis out...

i just wanna no how the daedelus takes out both hive ships? or has atlantis got other weapons than drones

i just wanna no how the daedelus takes out both hive ships? or has atlantis got other weapons than drones

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More than likely yes, cause any installation that important should have some kinda ground to orbit defense weopon (more powerful squids or a beam weopon like the one on that space station in the "Seige"), although this is just my opinion and pure speculation.